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hiveredtech said:
Some of these OL's may never get it...as their bodies may not allow for it. Just like you could take the line at many Top 10 teams and ask them to do what we are asking for...and they could not do it.
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Oh give me a break. You are way over-complicating this issue. How can we be asking these guys to be doing something they are in capable of? Most of them are bigger and faster and stronger than their Navy counterparts who managed to do the same and be successful.

You guys need to stop throwing a bone to the theory that "our guys don't fit the system". The body types and measureables of the guys we are recruiting are no different than the guys we got on the team right now. Three years ago you were one of the same people who said "Gailey liked smaller, faster olineman". Well, I thought that's what PJ liked. Are we going even smaller and faster now? Which is it? We're you (the proverbial and plural YOU not YOU in particular) Bull****ting us then or are you bull****ting us now?

It just seems like there are a few who like to give constant reasons why something is not working right. The bottom line is our olineman are not picking the system up fast enough and its going to cost us 2 or 3 more games this season because of it. It has nothing to do with them not being able to do it.
 
I predicted 8, and would still be pleasantly surprised if we got 9, seeing how bad we are up front.


Here's what's going on:

Other DLs are abusing our cut blocking. They know it's coming, so the push our guy's helmets into the grass, hop over them, and charge the QB. And PJ's adjustment has been, per his call in shows, "we have to get lower." Well wake up buddy, you can't get any lower than the grass.

I asked this question last week - at what point to we compromise between the cut blocking scheme that we clearly can't do, and straight up blocking which we clearly can?
 
JoeCakeEater said:
I think that is a little inaccurate. Players such as Gardner have proven over the course of 40+ starts that they don't "stink." ...
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I never singled out anyone to watch on any particular play but on one pass play replay during the telecast, Andrew Gardner looked absolutely (with a capital A) clueless on his block. And it wasn't as if he had to decide which of two rushers he had to block. It was mano to mano, as they say, and Gardner looked like his wa shis first game as a lineman. Pathetic, it was!!
 
BarrelORum said:
Oh give me a break. You are way over-complicating this issue. How can we be asking these guys to be doing something they are in capable of? Most of them are bigger and faster and stronger than their Navy counterparts who managed to do the same and be successful.

You guys need to stop throwing a bone to the theory that "our guys don't fit the system". The body types and measureables of the guys we are recruiting are no different than the guys we got on the team right now. Three years ago you were one of the same people who said "Gailey liked smaller, faster olineman". Well, I thought that's what PJ liked. Are we going even smaller and faster now? Which is it? We're you (the proverbial and plural YOU not YOU in particular) Bull****ting us then or are you bull****ting us now?

It just seems like there are a few who like to give constant reasons why something is not working right. The bottom line is our olineman are not picking the system up fast enough and its going to cost us 2 or 3 more games this season because of it. It has nothing to do with them not being able to do it.
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BOR

you just do not understand sports and the importance of muscle memory.
 
I was way better at having sex the first time I did it compared to today's current standard.

There is no excuse for this crap.
 
wesleyd21 said:
I was way better at having sex the first time I did it compared to today's current standard.

There is no excuse for this crap.
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Agreed. The first couple of times you get to the end a lot quicker than you do once you've been there a few times......

I'm referring to the endzone. Not...sex. Wait...
 
hiveredtech said:
BOR

you just do not understand sports and the importance of muscle memory.
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Oh really? I was an All-state track runner and the only guy who ever beat me in the 400 meter dash was Derrick Mills in the VA/MD/DC allstar meet. You know who that is? I had an offer to run at college and GT offered me a prefered walk on status, but I didn't have the mental discipline to run competitively in the 400 and 800 at the college level. Save it.

On top of that I only ran track in highschool for one year and still got D-1 attention. Not to mention playing football and starting for a team that started the longest unbeaten highschool football streak in VA history.
 
I don't think its over the top. The question isn't "what's our record" its are we as good in all areas as we should be and the answer is clearly no.

We are going to be exposed very soon for this.
 
00Burdell said:
I don't think its over the top. The question isn't "what's our record" its are we as good in all areas as we should be and the answer is clearly no.

We are going to be exposed very soon for this.
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Exactly.

ncjacket said:
and yet, we're 6-1. They clearly have issues and the staff needs to clear this up, but you're over the top again.
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I don't see how you can say I am over the top but then you say we "clearly have issues". Make up your mind. Its like you just discredited me for what I said because its an exaggeration, said the exact same thing to try and gain some credit for saying it the right way. Gimme a break.

All I said is that I don't think our oline is developing in a timely manner. WOW, that's over the top right there!!! Hold me back! :pat:

Your desire to portray me as an extremist is getting in the way of you actually making any sense. Not typically like you.
 
"Voss? It ain't just Voss, Cord Howard, AJ Smith, Joseph Gilbert, Brown, Gardner, they all flat out stink."

My point is that they are not all on the same page and they are not playing the way they should be or that they think they should be...but you seem to have given up and that they can't do anything right. Clearly they can, but are not consistent.
 
PJ has said over and over on both his radio show and at his press conferences that the OL has the biggest learning curve for his offense.

The main problems seem to be them not getting their pad level low and moving forward off the ball instead of slide stepping. Very different from what they were asked to do in Chan's pro-style offense.

PJ is a straight-shooter who knows way more about football than any poster anywhere, so I take him at his word.

The real question is will the OL improve in the second half of the season? In BC, VT, & Clemson we've faced perhaps the toughest DLs we'll face all season. What does history say?

History says PJ has a better winning percentage in the second half of the season, as one would suspect from option teams (execution gels after tons of reps and it becomes very difficult to stop).

One last point. Any offensive line that plays against our defensive front "stinks"...at least for that game. BC, VT, & CLemson have very good DLs too, so it figures our line would struggle against them. GW I don't have an answer for, except to say its not uncommon in college for good teams to struggle against lesser teams (USC loses to Oregon St).

Hopefully in the second half of the season we get into softer DLs while our offensive line concurrently improves. AJ Smith needs to stay healthy as he, Gardener and David Brown are probably the best suited to PJ's offense (get off the ball fast and low, are mobile-agile-hostile).
 
BarrelORum said:
All I said is that I don't think our oline is developing in a timely manner. WOW, that's over the top right there!!! Hold me back! :pat:
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That's all you said? Really? Was this someone else posting under your font?

BarrelORum said:
That was God Awful play. Our Oline is horrendous. I could organize a pop warner team that can block better than those jokers. They should be ashamed. Those guys need to grow a pair. Whatever the coaches are doing they better make adjustments because these lineman can't do what they are asking them to do.
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BarrelORum said:
Voss? It ain't just Voss, Cord Howard, AJ Smith, Joseph Gilbert, Brown, Gardner, they all flat out stink.
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BarrelORum said:
Great I get to look forward to more miss blocks next year.
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Listen, BOR, I like you man, but "over the top" is certainly an accurate representation of your posts. Quite frankly, your continued ragging on our fine student athletes -- athletes asked to execute a completely new blocking scheme this year -- is getting old, and mischaracterizing your own description of these issues is disingenuous.

Respectfully submitted...Mike
 
ncjacket said:
"Voss? It ain't just Voss, Cord Howard, AJ Smith, Joseph Gilbert, Brown, Gardner, they all flat out stink."

My point is that they are not all on the same page and they are not playing the way they should be or that they think they should be...but you seem to have given up and that they can't do anything right. Clearly they can, but are not consistent.
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Go read my analysis and get a grip. Sorry I hurt your feelings.
 
Sorry for hurting your feelings Mike. This isn't the Hive. Go over there for the koolaid.

Listen, I like this team, I like this coach, and I like all of our players. Hell I wanted PJ to be our coach as early as 2005. I just don't sugarcoat things. Our olineman have had two horrendous games in a row. They look like they have gotten worse since the BC game. I think its a reasonable assessment that thery are not getting the job done better than they should at this point in the system. I can understand blown assignments, but I can't understand consistently blowing your assignment.
 
You never hurt my feelings, but thanks for apologizing. Like you, I only call them like I see them....

While I might have worded them differently, I really have no problem whatsoever with your comments (other than you keep beating the same drum over and over) -- just don't mischaracterize what you said.

Take care & GO JACKETS!!!...Mike
 
TampaJacket said:
just don't mischaracterize what you said.

Take care & GO JACKETS!!!...Mike
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Well instead of saying all of our offensive lineman stink. I should have said they all stunk it up. Every one of them with maybe the exception of Gardner who had help from Smith most of the time as to why he stunk. I don't find that to be over the top. I'm sure the coaches called their effort much worse to their face. "It's on them". Its been on them for a lot of games now.
 
BarrelORum said:
Go read my analysis and get a grip. Sorry I hurt your feelings.
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I have a grip and the next time you hurt my feelings it will be the first time. Look, all I'm saying is that calling out bad play is fine and I'm with you on it. But the way you're characterize the OL it sure appears you're talking about their ability rather than their play. So are you saying they can't do the job and we need to either 1)burn RSs and play backups or 2) change the OL schemes because they just can't do it?
 
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