USC and UCLA to Big Ten

BrentwoodJacket said:
Our AD's have been incompetent and our presidents have been indifferent toward athletics. We are lucky we still have a chance to survive.
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I'm praying that Cabrera gets it. I think he does but he was dealt a short hand so I am taking that into consideration.

The connections between George Mason (I have two kids at GMU - I live a short bike ride from there) are interesting. Hewitt leaves GT and is hired by GMU. Cabrera, a GT grad, and president of GMU takes over at GT. There are other connections that I find interesting.

Anyway, I hope Cabrera is on top of the changing landscape of college athletics. I can't explain why but I'm not 100% confident that tStan can successfully navigate these treacherous waters.
 
If you look at things logically, analysts are missing the fact that even if the B1G / SEC go to 20, there are enough brands leftover to have a solid #3. Look at the ”new“ Big 12. *Note I think 24 is the final number, but for now we’ll just go with 20*

Lets say the SEC gets Clemson, FSU, Miami and NCSU. The B1G gets Oregon, Washington, UNC, ND.

The 3rd conference has plenty of options with the new Big 12 schools and all the FA’s remaining from the dissolved conferences.

GT, UVA, VT, BC, Louisville, Cal, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, Stanford, Utah, etc are available.

Big 12 / ACC / P12 new league can be in regional divisions and easily work.
 
00Burdell said:
When I was at GT in the early 80s, I had a candid conversation with President Pettit about this very subject. To boil down his answer, he said: "Football pays for everything." I will not forget that conversation. Its still true today although other funding sources have emerged but none as lucrative as football.

It takes a lot of money to run GT - the BoR of Georgia wants GT to support itself so they can route all the retained earnings to the dwags. Pettit understood this clearly and supported the GTAA as a "cash cow" when Rice took over the GTAA. Rice pulled favors with ABC to get the 1980 game against the dwags on national TV because we were desperate for the payout. But for that single move, I don't think we'd be in the ACC today - our athletic program was on the brink of bankruptcy.

There is so much stuff that y'all don't know. We have to make a ton of money with football - that revenue is baked into the budget of how GT operates. If we can't get it from the ACC, we have to strongly consider moving to the B1G.

My guess as a hunch given what is going on is that the ACC is soon to be dissolved and GT as well as a few other teams will move to the B1G and a few others to the SEC. A third of the ACC will simply be left behind.
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I like what you said and I am happy if that is the result. But also at times people learn to tell you what you want to hear. I have no real history from that time as I was born in the early 80’s.
I never attended GT but I do try to love and follow all of the sports. One of the worst feelings in the world is caring about something or someone that doesn’t reciprocate those feelings. That is where GT football is now for me. I don’t see the feeling GT really gives two öööös about being successful, more they have a football team because they have to have one. It trying to make myself sound special here but I am the type of person GT needs.
 
KrazieJacket said:
I like what you said and I am happy if that is the result. But also at times people learn to tell you what you want to hear. I have no real history from that time as I was born in the early 80’s.
I never attended GT but I do try to love and follow all of the sports. One of the worst feelings in the world is caring about something or someone that doesn’t reciprocate those feelings. That is where GT football is now for me. I don’t see the feeling GT really gives two öööös about being successful, more they have a football team because they have to have one. It trying to make myself sound special here but I am the type of person GT needs.
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I have lived through several GT droughts. The early 80s. No ACC wins in 1987 or 1988. The post-Ross fiasco - (BL was fired in the visitor locker room at Maryland), Gailey's first dwag game, etc.

You are ex-mil - you understand that no matter what the odds, you fight with all you got. Curry whipped the dwags twice - two of the best games in GT history. Ross destroyed the dwags and won an MNC. O'Leary won TiaR - the dwags were genuinely afraid of O'Leary and Friedgen. Then Johnson cock-blocks the dwag's dream of equaling Bobby Dodd's string of 8 straight wins over the dwags by ripping their hearts out in Athens in 2008. Then CPJ wins twice more in Athens. Only Spurrier has won more in Athens than Johnson.

So, I get it - things are bleak. But I've been here before and there just does not seem to be any limit to the upside for GT.

GT fans are a tough bunch - we need everyone to man their post. We are far from washed up.
 
00Burdell said:
I have lived through several GT droughts. The early 80s. No ACC wins in 1987 or 1988. The post-Ross fiasco - (BL was fired in the visitor locker room at Maryland), Gailey's first dwag game, etc.

You are ex-mil - you understand that no matter what the odds, you fight with all you got. Curry whipped the dwags twice - two of the best games in GT history. Ross destroyed the dwags and won an MNC. O'Leary won TiaR - the dwags were genuinely afraid of O'Leary and Friedgen. Then Johnson cock-blocks the dwag's dream of equaling Bobby Dodd's string of 8 straight wins over the dwags by ripping their hearts out in Athens in 2008. Then CPJ wins twice more in Athens. Only Spurrier has won more in Athens than Johnson.

So, I get it - things are bleak. But I've been here before and there just does not seem to be any limit to the upside for GT.

GT fans are a tough bunch - we need everyone to man their post. We are far from washed up.
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I agree, and I especially agree with:

“So, I get it - things are bleak. But I've been here before and there just does not seem to be any limit to the upside for GT. “


GT doesn’t. In my opinion.
 
00Burdell said:
When I was at GT in the early 80s, I had a candid conversation with President Pettit about this very subject. To boil down his answer, he said: "Football pays for everything." I will not forget that conversation. Its still true today although other funding sources have emerged but none as lucrative as football.
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That's crazy to hear, given that, according to Kim King, "Dr. Pettit wasn't a big football supporter at all." (_Tales from the Georgia Tech Sideline_). King also mentions hearing the same rumors that I heard, that Dr. Pettit wanted to de-emphasize football, and even consider applying for the Ivy League.
 
PasadenaJacket said:
That's crazy to hear, given that, according to Kim King, "Dr. Pettit wasn't a big football supporter at all." (_Tales from the Georgia Tech Sideline_). King also mentions hearing the same rumors that I heard, that Dr. Pettit wanted to de-emphasize football, and even consider applying for the Ivy League.
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Not going to challenge a GT legend but that’s not what Pettit told me. Perhaps these conversations happened at different times. Homer Rice changed everything and I would not be at all surprised if our respective conversations were on opposite sides of Rice’s arrival.
Pettit was very clear about how GTAA revenue had benefited GT historically and how eager he was to restore GT football greatness.

I will acknowledge that, prior to Homer Rice taking over as AD, there was a movement to join the Ivy League.

But you noobs have to understand that our facilities in 1980 were in the dumpster. In 1980, our weightroom had a dirt floor under the west stands. This is the year the dwags beat ND.

Its a miracle that we beat Bama in 1980 (thanks David Lutz and Robert Lavette) but if not for Pettit hiring Rice and Rice not pulling every string in the book, we probably would be in the Ivy League. So maybe Pettit mentioned a plan B to join the Ivy League if things didn’t work out but hell no that’s not what he wanted. Pettit loved Dodd and wanted to return GT to the National Stage.
 
00Burdell said:
Not going to challenge a GT legend but that’s not what Pettit told me. Perhaps these conversations happened at different times. Homer Rice changed everything and I would not be at all surprised if our respective conversations were on opposite sides of Rice’s arrival.
Pettit was very clear about how GTAA revenue had benefited GT historically and how eager he was to restore GT football greatness.

I will acknowledge that, prior to Homer Rice taking over as AD, there was a movement to join the Ivy League.

But you noobs have to understand that our facilities in 1980 were in the dumpster. In 1980, our weightroom had a dirt floor under the west stands. This is the year the dwags beat ND.

Its a miracle that we beat Bama in 1980 (thanks David Lutz and Robert Lavette) but if not for Pettit hiring Rice and Rice not pulling every string in the book, we probably would be in the Ivy League. So maybe Pettit mentioned a plan B to join the Ivy League if things didn’t work out but hell no that’s not what he wanted. Pettit loved Dodd and wanted to return GT to the National Stage.
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GT weight room underwhelmed me in the late 90’s.
 
We need in the BIG10 now! ND will end up in the BIG10 I believe, just based on the money. The BIG10 taking us and getting in to the Atlanta market may be a big problem for the SEC.
 
I am all in for the Big Trn but if not able to join, Tech should lead the charge to create an upgraded Ivy League to include UVA, Duke, Pitt, BC, Stanford, Berkeley, ND?, Vandy?, Wake?, and leave the NCAA, drop NIL.
Or do similarly but keep more west coast teams like Utah, Colo, and find their own tv partner. SECSPN has destroyed the ACC, go find your own network that sells your product.
 
midatlantech said:
I am all in for the Big Trn but if not able to join, Tech should lead the charge to create an upgraded Ivy League to include UVA, Duke, Pitt, BC, Stanford, Berkeley, ND?, Vandy?, Wake?, and leave the NCAA, drop NIL.
Or do similarly but keep more west coast teams like Utah, Colo, and find their own tv partner. SECSPN has destroyed the ACC, go find your own network that sells your product.
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Is this even real life? I guess if that happens, I can just have the peace of no longer watching college football
 
midatlantech said:
I am all in for the Big Trn but if not able to join, Tech should lead the charge to create an upgraded Ivy League to include UVA, Duke, Pitt, BC, Stanford, Berkeley, ND?, Vandy?, Wake?, and leave the NCAA, drop NIL.
Or do similarly but keep more west coast teams like Utah, Colo, and find their own tv partner. SECSPN has destroyed the ACC, go find your own network that sells your product.
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Tech can't drop NIL just by leaving the NCAA and forming a new conference. The NCAA didn't make a rule allowing NIL, the Supreme Court essentially ruled that the NCAA's rule against NIL was illegal, and that ruling would almost certainly apply to any new non-NCAA conference as well.
 
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midatlantech said:
I am all in for the Big Trn but if not able to join, Tech should lead the charge to create an upgraded Ivy League to include UVA, Duke, Pitt, BC, Stanford, Berkeley, ND?, Vandy?, Wake?, and leave the NCAA, drop NIL.
Or do similarly but keep more west coast teams like Utah, Colo, and find their own tv partner. SECSPN has destroyed the ACC, go find your own network that sells your product.
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How exactly has the SEC destroyed the ACC as a conference? The ACC along with the Big 12 and Pac-12 sat around and thought the 2 strongest leagues that generate the most revenue were content? The ACC destroyed the Big East didn’t they? Did you have the same reaction?

The ACC screwed itself by adding a bunch of hoops schools (Cuse, BC, Pitt) who do not sell out football games. VT and Louisville from a football perspective are the only ones who actually generate a crowd.

The ACC needs to get off their high horse and poach WVU, UCF, Cincy from the B12 and somehow convince ND to be a full member. The B12 and remnants of the P12 can merge into a league, and there would still be 4 conferences.
 
andrew said:
Tech can't drop NIL just by leaving the NCAA and forming a new conference. The NCAA didn't make a rule allowing NIL, the Supreme Court essentially ruled that the NCAA's rule against NIL was illegal, and that ruling would almost certainly apply to any new non-NCAA conference as well.
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Add in NIL doesn’t just go to FBS schools. Jackson State is using it to their advantage.

NIL in some shape or form is here to stay. The fake $$$ being thrown out there is not. Once companies see little to no ROI, it will become an irrelevant story.

The key for players isn’t even NIL. It’s really about getting a gate share + TV $$$. $100 million per school to the B1G from TV alone will go a long way.
 
WREKedinTexas said:
We need in the BIG10 now! ND will end up in the BIG10 I believe, just based on the money. The BIG10 taking us and getting in to the Atlanta market may be a big problem for the SEC.
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There has been an idea out there that ND can remain Independent and play a 6 game SEC schedule and a 6 game B1G schedule. They already play USC annually, and have rivalries against Michigan, MSU, Purdue. This would give NBC the opportunity to keep ND home games, and ND would still get $$$ from both Fox & Disney.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
There has been an idea out there that ND can remain Independent and play a 6 game SEC schedule and a 6 game B1G schedule. They already play USC annually, and have rivalries against Michigan, MSU, Purdue. This would give NBC the opportunity to keep ND home games, and ND would still get $$$ from both Fox & Disney.
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ND isn’t that dumb.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
How exactly has the SEC destroyed the ACC as a conference? The ACC along with the Big 12 and Pac-12 sat around and thought the 2 strongest leagues that generate the most revenue were content? The ACC destroyed the Big East didn’t they? Did you have the same reaction?

The ACC screwed itself by adding a bunch of hoops schools (Cuse, BC, Pitt) who do not sell out football games. VT and Louisville from a football perspective are the only ones who actually generate a crowd.

The ACC needs to get off their high horse and poach WVU, UCF, Cincy from the B12 and somehow convince ND to be a full member. The B12 and remnants of the P12 can merge into a league, and there would still be 4 conferences.
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The ACC didn’t hurt themselves by locking up the East with likeminded schools. It hurt itself by choosing to not play the game.
Tech is right out front. We claim we are a great school and then run athletics like we have no idea how to run a business. In Tech’s case, it puts up with athletics but it doesn’t really want to do the things necessary to win.
And Tech fans and students deserve condemnation too. We are a rich community of cheap supporters.
If we don’t get included I think it is quite easy to create a real student athletic program without NIL, etc. Just don’t ask for support, get kids a Tech education and jobs. Let Bama and Uga outbid each other.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
If you look at things logically, analysts are missing the fact that even if the B1G / SEC go to 20, there are enough brands leftover to have a solid #3. Look at the ”new“ Big 12. *Note I think 24 is the final number, but for now we’ll just go with 20*

Lets say the SEC gets Clemson, FSU, Miami and NCSU. The B1G gets Oregon, Washington, UNC, ND.

The 3rd conference has plenty of options with the new Big 12 schools and all the FA’s remaining from the dissolved conferences.

GT, UVA, VT, BC, Louisville, Cal, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, Stanford, Utah, etc are available.

Big 12 / ACC / P12 new league can be in regional divisions and easily work.
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If you look at things logically, why does the B1G stop at 20? If I were the B1G I would go to 28-32 that was Coast to Coast, divide into 4 pods that play in a 4 team playoff and plays The Championship in the Rose Bowl...and totally ignore the SEC like the Rose Bowl did for decades.

If I were B1G King for a day, I would add Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, ND, UVA, UNC, GT & Miami. For the remainder I would consider some from Pitt, Baylor, Syracuse, BC, NC State, Duke, FSU, Clemson. That would tie the conference together nicely with most major markets in the league. It would cede South Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, and the bulk of Texas to the SEC. Or maybe try to pick off a SEC school like Texas A&M or UF.

It would give the B1G a nationwide league that they fully control. No more NCAA, or SEC to worry about. Just back up the money truck. They could even hold their own March Madness, and control the national media.
 
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