UVA's new spread offense

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Can you say Auburn?! This is going to be worse than Auburn's attempt at the spread IMO. Groh can't run that, you can't just wake up and say "hey I am going to start running the spread. I like Mike Leach's offense because we studied it a lot in the Gator bowl 2 years ago and I want to do it."

Does he realize how long it takes coaches like Mike Leach, Paul Johnson, Urban Meyer to really get the in's and out's of their type of offenses. They created them. They know them. They don't necessarily need playbooks as we all know. They didn't just wake up and say I want the spread offense. Paul Johnson has been working on his offense for 20 odd years.

Last year Tubs at Auburn hired an OC that knew the spread. Well that royally failed. Royally. Groh's job is kinda already on the line if he has a bad year, so was Tub's. This has got bad written all over it IMO. Groh doens't have nearly the type of personel to run the spread. Verica, can't run, and Sewell hasn't played in almost 2 years. Just my take on that one.
 
I thought this was going to be a thread about the Gay Cowboy's new bedroom technique that would get him arrested in Georgia or Texas.
 
Honestly, you can't blame Tony Franklin for that. Tubs old (now unemployed) cronies coaching all the positions would not accept Franklin's methods. It doesn't work in you are coaching power run and calling spread. I honestly believe if Tubs had let go of all his offensive staff and gone straight to Franklin's, he'd still be employeed.
 
supertech1984 said:
Honestly, you can't blame Tony Franklin for that. Tubs old (now unemployed) cronies coaching all the positions would not accept Franklin's methods. It doesn't work in you are coaching power run and calling spread. I honestly believe if Tubs had let go of all his offensive staff and gone straight to Franklin's, he'd still be employeed.
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I heard it was quite a different issue. Tubberville had just left a press conference in which he'd spent the entire time defending Franklin to hostile press, when he arrived at practice to see Franklin cussing out other coaches in front of players, and cussing out players in front of coaches, and decided that wasn't the kind of thing he was going to allow in his program, so fired him on the spot.
 
I agree with that supertech, but I don't believe you just start running the spread, when you as a head coach have never done it before. I know he has an OC that knows it, but I don't see Groh handing over the offensive reigns to his OC. Groh has been at UVA too long and I don't think he does it.

Again, personel is all wrong. All of the great spread offenses and so called "different" offenses are ran by Head Coaches that have been perfecting their design for years. Not happening for UVA.
 
I think switching to a spread will hurt UVA's identity as a team. Groh's big selling point was that he taught NFL concepts at the college level, and had a high rate of entry into the NFL compared to his talent. That's how he was able to fill up his recruiting classes so early every year.
 
drinkclearwiskey said:
Last year Tubs at Auburn hired an OC that knew the spread. Well that royally failed. Royally. Groh's job is kinda already on the line if he has a bad year, so was Tub's. This has got bad written all over it IMO. Groh doens't have nearly the type of personel to run the spread. Verica, can't run, and Sewell hasn't played in almost 2 years. Just my take on that one.
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Actually if you caught the article on the smart football blog (if you at all are interested in the technical side of football read this site) you'll see Auburn didn't run Franklin's spread at all

http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2008/10/auburns-offense-might-be-bad-but-dont.html
 
drinkclearwiskey said:
Can you say Auburn?! This is going to be worse than Auburn's attempt at the spread IMO. Groh can't run that, you can't just wake up and say "hey I am going to start running the spread. I like Mike Leach's offense because we studied it a lot in the Gator bowl 2 years ago and I want to do it."

Does he realize how long it takes coaches like Mike Leach, Paul Johnson, Urban Meyer to really get the in's and out's of their type of offenses. They created them. They know them. They don't necessarily need playbooks as we all know. They didn't just wake up and say I want the spread offense. Paul Johnson has been working on his offense for 20 odd years.

Last year Tubs at Auburn hired an OC that knew the spread. Well that royally failed. Royally. Groh's job is kinda already on the line if he has a bad year, so was Tub's. This has got bad written all over it IMO. Groh doens't have nearly the type of personel to run the spread. Verica, can't run, and Sewell hasn't played in almost 2 years. Just my take on that one.
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Where's the story on UVA's spread? Link?
 
When app state switched to the WVU style spread option they were horrible for one year, the next three they won national championships. Even with that said I expect them to fail ala Auburn
 
Good for us. UVA's recent dominance over us is mainly due to Groh's pro-style offense fitted with future NFL players. I think this will completely wipe out his advantage over us.
 
This is a really interesting hire. I definitely think that a lot will depend on buy-in from Groh and his offensive assistants.

While Brandon was successful at BG, his teams slowly went downhill both overall and on offense after Meyer left:

2003 -- 11-3, 496.7 YPG
2004 -- 9-3, 506.3 YPG (MAC: 513.6, 1st)
2005 -- 6-5, 427.7 YPG (MAC: 426.1, 3rd)
2006 -- 4-8, 345.8 YPG (MAC: 337.4, 5th)
2007 -- 8-5, 402.5 YPG (MAC: 407.4, 5th)
 
beej67 said:
I heard it was quite a different issue. Tubberville had just left a press conference in which he'd spent the entire time defending Franklin to hostile press, when he arrived at practice to see Franklin cussing out other coaches in front of players, and cussing out players in front of coaches, and decided that wasn't the kind of thing he was going to allow in his program, so fired him on the spot.
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Any story you hear about the runnings of the Auburn Athletic Department are probably not true. The coaches wives were yelling that the AA was the most dysfunctional they had ever been associated with. They weren't running Franklin's offense, Tub's was defending him, then fired him, then Tub's "quit" but didn't tell any of his coaches he was going to quit. I just think its all crap. If a coach quits, he tells his other coaches. I believe whole heartedly that Tubs was fired for loosing to bama once and that Franklin was fired by Lowder or some other booster and Tub's just made up that story to cover his ass.
 
Tub's was defending him, then fired him, then Tub's "quit" but didn't tell any of his coaches he was going to quit.
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Oh, that was a different deal entirely. Tubberville had a caviat in his contract after the Petrino fiasco that said he was immediately bought out if they ever went shopping for a new coach without firing him first. After the Bama game, they approached Houston Nutt for the Auburn job, so Nutt told his agent, who was ALSO TUB'S AGENT (doh!) and let Tubberville know he just earned himself a free ride. Then he walked in to the meeting at Auburn with that in his back pocket, they gave him a bunch of ultimatums, and he told them to shove it.

Funny thing ... Chizik's got the same agent...
 
Womenandcookies said:
Any story you hear about the runnings of the Auburn Athletic Department are probably not true. The coaches wives were yelling that the AA was the most dysfunctional they had ever been associated with. They weren't running Franklin's offense, Tub's was defending him, then fired him, then Tub's "quit" but didn't tell any of his coaches he was going to quit. I just think its all crap. If a coach quits, he tells his other coaches. I believe whole heartedly that Tubs was fired for loosing to bama once and that Franklin was fired by Lowder or some other booster and Tub's just made up that story to cover his ass.
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I heard from Terry Bowden that you can't ever trust what the assistants' wives say.:laugher:
 
beej67 said:
I think switching to a spread will hurt UVA's identity as a team. Groh's big selling point was that he taught NFL concepts at the college level, and had a high rate of entry into the NFL compared to his talent. That's how he was able to fill up his recruiting classes so early every year.
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+1

He could recruit big linemen (their big Left Tackle went (#6? overall) in the NFL draft).

They will suck immensely. The curse better end this year.
 
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