Vick reportedly accepts plea deal

Vick is a poster boy for what can/does happen to this tide of young,talented,undereducated,immature athletes who receive way too much adulation and attention because of their athletic talents and our society's obsession with their performances in the Roman Circus like extravaganzas that have become athletics today.

Vick is a dumbass,punk,thug athlete who deserves the stiffest sentence the judge gives him!!

PM me if you want to know how I really feel!
 
I hope as I stated earlier that the NFL throws his butt out of the game, let Vick go get a job and work like the rest of the world. The V

This is from a new conference in Atlanta by the NAACP. Copied from WXIA, Channel 11 Atlanta, GA.


Michael Vick should be allowed to return to the NFL after he finishes serving out his punishment on charges related to his participation in a professional dogfighting ring, the president of the Atlanta NAACP said during a news conference Wednesday.

"Humans are redeemable," said Dr. R.L. White. "We feel that whatever the courts demand as a punishment, once he has paid his debt to society, than he should be treated like any other person in the NFL."

Vick’s attorney said on Monday that the star quarterback agreed on Monday to accept a plea deal in the case and a likely prison sentence in order to avoid additional federal charges.

Dr. White went on to say that, despite that plea agreement, he is not convinced that Vick was completely aware of the depth of the dogfighting ring in which he is accused of taking part in the execution of several animals.

"I think there might have been some involvement," White said when asked if he believed Vick was involved in dogfighting at all. "I'm still suspect of the co-defendants that made that plea, that is was coerced in order to save their own necks."

White also said he believes the star quarterback has received more negative press than if he had killed a human being. "He would not have been persecuted that much if he had killed somebody."

He acknowledged that many animal lovers are outraged at the notion Vick would have executed pit bulls that lost him money during dogfights.

"Let's maintain our [healing] when we are trying to remedy the entire situation," White said. "Yes, there are many dog lovers, fans in the NFL but there are also many, many other people who just love Mike Vick and these people, too, are significant in numbers."
 
The NAACP again showing it's relevancy in today's world. Statements like this from them make the entire organization seem completely worthless...
 
"White said he believed the more likely scenario is that Vick was an owner who was not fully aware of the kennel's activities."

This comment alone reveals that R.L. White hasn't a clue as to what he's talking about. The article paints a picture of a man who is full of 'I-refuse-to-believe-the-truth-because-the-truth-isn't-what-I-want-to-hear' rhetoric.
 
I only know one so called celebrity and it happens to be Arthur Blank. Actually let me rephrase that my "dad" knows him. He worked with him from when he started at Home Depot until he left. Anyhow Vick will never play again in Atlanta. The NFL did what it did before AB could toss him off the team. That would have been the outcome and the NFL did not want to deal with that for obvious reasons.

The V said:
Vick should go down for 3 - 5 years for the crimes of dog fighting and killing the dogs. If the NFL and Falcons Ownership do not ban Vick from the game they are fools. PETA and HSUS have gained more members and press about this issue than ever before.

As a hunter and dog owner PETA and HSUS are on us all the time about our sport. Vick has helped these two groups gain members and money due to his stupidity. If it is true that the Judge can change the terms of the Plea Deal and sentence Vick to a longer jail time that would be great. Increase the fine even better.


Then the NFL and Arthur Blank need to Ban Vick from the game, not even allowing him to attend NFL games.
So, Arthur you gonna do what is right?

I understand Vick looks good in Orange?
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gth816f said:
I care about the dog thing, but I'm a little surprised at how upset people are about it. All you heard on TV was how shocking and disgusting it was that Vick could drown those dogs with his own hands...where do these people think their hamburgers come from? Cows are raised solely so they can die by having their head cut off with a chainsaw...drowning would be preferable. People raise animals just so they can stock a fenced off portion of forest for people to hunt and kill with a bow & arrow. I guess it is just a case of people thinking about what they want to think about and ignoring the rest.
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The difference is dogs are raised as pets - cows are raised for food. Where the heck did you hear a chainsaw was used? PETA? I guarantee you a cow is killed more humanely (yes, I do see the irony in that statement) than a losing Pit Bull. Let's not forget the danger these pit bulls are to people - or in Joey Porter's case - miniature horses.
 
GTWannaBee said:
The difference is dogs are raised as pets - cows are raised for food. Where the heck did you hear a chainsaw was used? PETA? I guarantee you a cow is killed more humanely (yes, I do see the irony in that statement) than a losing Pit Bull. Let's not forget the danger these pit bulls are to people - or in Joey Porter's case - miniature horses.
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Yeah, I see the difference for sure. Just, to me, it's not as "shocking" and "appalling" as everyone is saying. Also I think it's ironic that you say that it's different because cows are raised for food...is that really much better? Yeah, for us it's better of course because we need them to eat, but as for the cruelty towards animals that everyone is so mad at Vick for...it's not really any different in their eyes.

I agree with the law and that he should be going to jail...but not that it should be the end of his career like many people want it to be. Yeah, the NCAAP tends to be idiotic, and lots of what they said in that article WAS stupid(I think it's safe to assume that his guilty plea means he's actually guilty, despite what the White is saying), but I think his quote about human beings being redeemable is completely correct. To me, killing eight dogs is not an unforgivable crime like killing a human is.
 
There are two good items that will come from this situation:

1.) Awareness will be raised for the dogfighting "sport".

2.) The two organizations that look out for their own wallets the most - PETA and the NAACP will fight each other for once. Who will boycott the most?
 
I don't believe in "animal rights", in fact I don't believe in rights for anyone who doesn't recognize the rights of others. I base my judgments in a case like this on 2 factors: (1) the rule of law, and (2) how much I like the animals in question.

If you don't believe in the rule of law, I don't even know where to start a conversation with you. One can rationalize the relative insignificance of any crime that doesn't directly injure or kill a person, no doubt, but we have laws for the purpose of establishing penalties of misdeeds in a sober, deliberate state, i.e. in absentia of these emotional appeals.

I kill pest insects with delight and zeal, but even there I allow my personal taste to rule. I don't kill crickets if I can help it; if I find one in the basement I carefully pick it up and toss it outside. I like to fish and never give a second thought to killing (and especially eating) the fish. I don't hunt, wouldn't really care to, but I would happily shoot a coyote or hawk if it was messing with my dog or somebody else's beloved pet.

Surely most people with a heart have a special feeling for dogs somewhere in it. If you don't, then I presume you've never had one (a heart or a dog, take your pick). Granted, pit bulls are not exactly warm and cuddly, but they are close enough to my dog for me to be sympathetic.
 
I think the world would be a better place if more dawgs were hung, electrocuted, and shot.
 
GTWannaBee said:
The difference is dogs are raised as pets - cows are raised for food. .
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Arr, but thats the problem. These dogs were not raised as pets. They are no better than wild coyotes or wolves. And some people raise cows for pets. Hindu's worship cows. So where do you draw the line?
 
My thing is still this: Vick was betting on dog fighting! That is not the same as betting on the games YOU are playing in or on your sport. It is also not the same as fixing games. I understand the conduct policy but I guess I view rape and attempted murder as worse offenses than dog fighting. I DON"T AGREE WITH WHAT VICK DID! But I think people are making a bigger deal out of this ONLY because he is Mike Vick (that's not about race but about his high profile). The media covers the things that draws the attention of viewers. If this was Joe Blow, no one would care.

ONCE AGAIN... I"M NOT DEFENDING VICK...
 
Arr, but thats the problem. These dogs were not raised as pets. They are no better than wild coyotes or wolves. And some people raise cows for pets. Hindu's worship cows. So where do you draw the line?
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Social standards -> Laws

Vick might not be able to play Cricket in India if he ate a hamburger. So?
 
Wreck02 said:
I understand the conduct policy but I guess I view rape and attempted murder as worse offenses than dog fighting. I DON"T AGREE WITH WHAT VICK DID! But I think people are making a bigger deal out of this ONLY because he is Mike Vick (that's not about race but about his high profile). The media covers the things that draws the attention of viewers. If this was Joe Blow, no one would care.
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I agree with you here. Rape and murder are worse. Anyone convicted of those two items should be banned for life. I don't think Vick should be banned for life; however, if he is suspended an additional year over his sentence, then he will most likely be done due to lack of conditioning, etc.

BTW, who in the NFL was convicted of murder? Notice I said "convicted." I hear Ray Lewis mentioned due to him being in the vicinity of a murder. I don't recall the story so I have no input on that, but if he was not convicted of a crime, how can he be punished?
 
GTWannaBee said:
I agree with you here. Rape and murder are worse. Anyone convicted of those two items should be banned for life.
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How about battery? If I remember correctly, Bobby Cox pleaded guilty to battery (slapping around his wife). I think that is worse than dog fighting.

I think a year in prison is probably appropriate for Vick. Race dogs are killed every year when they can no longer compete. I know that there are adoption agencies, but that is NOT an option for dogs breed to fight. In fact, Vick's dogs are all going to be put down because they are too dangerous to adopt.
 
How about a racial slur on a well-known talk radio? Is dog-fighting worse than that?
 
I would put dog fighting over a racial slur. I guess Imus should have boiled some Pit Bulls instead of insulting a basketball team.
 
WracerX said:
I would put dog fighting over a racial slur. I guess Imus should have boiled some Pit Bulls instead of insulting a basketball team.
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That or he should have gotten PETA involved. I have no clue how though.
 
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