Vince Dooly is the greatest.

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Actually he's not, but most Dawg fans don't know that.

Erk Russell was big time, and made Vince big time, and when he left, he took all his big time with him to GSU, who won, (I think - 4) National Championships under him.

Vince figured out he'd only tarnish his legacy after Erk left and got out, before half the Dawg nation figured it out. He put in a couple of respectable, but not great seasons and got out while the getting was good. That was early 80's - 1983 to be exact the last time UGA was at the top of the heap with Russell and Dooly.

Then came Goff, then came Donnan. Then - 20 YEARS later - came the saviour Richt.

20 YEARS of BS until they won again on this level and UGA can hire most any coach they want IMHO.

Nebraska had the longest bowl streak of any team - over 30 years I think - at least 25 - until the fired a consistent 9-10 win coach. They had such a hard time filling the spot that they eventually hired a retired ex-pro coach - Callahan - who had gone a while unhired - because nobody great wanted to coach there.

Same with Shula and Bama after an extensive search - Notre Dame twice, after GO, and after Willingham. Weiss was a late choice, but luckily turned out to be a brilliant one. Look at Clemson since the Ford and Hatfield days.

Look at the Falcons after firing Leeman Bennett the first time he missed the playoffs. They had never had as much success before him, and dumped him after one bad season, and couldn't replicate the success he did have until an entire whole house cleansing.

Auburn almost fired Tommy T and went udefeated the next year. They look good again this year, and will be better next year.

You don't breed success by firing every person that has problems, and you don't get success, but cutting a guy's legs out from under him, and you don't get success, by constantly changing leaders.

You build success. It's old fashioned, but it's true, and it takes time.

It's not easy to strike lightning. Accept that GT is actually unique in many ways.

Enjoy the success we 'do' have and watch it grow. It's gonna take time, but it's gonna happen if people will just let the man do his job without being constantly being undermined by his own fans.
 
Two great posts. At the same time.

I prefer we cut his legs out! LOL.

I don't understand the lack of patience and perspective. 6-5 is OK. Not one of us gold-glasses crowd doesn't aspire for more. But there is no way anyone can convince me that this team is obviously headed into the cellar. And as the great O-Leary said you can't stay the same. You get better or worse. If I'm wrong, and we see the cellar before we see success, Chan will go and I'll apologize.

Thanks for your excellent perspective.

I think a more positive outlook would help recruiting. I think it would help this team too. Especially in the offseason when we are sunning at the beach and Kenny Scott is getting up at six on a Saturday to lift weights.
 
Good Post. I admit I am not the biggest Gailey fan but I see no one else out there right now and Gailey has put us into position to win games and players have not delivered. We do have a more immediate problem at the qb position however. I hope that position is wide open this spring. Junior qbs should not miss reads and throws as is currently occurring.
 
I hope the decision makers come to the same conclusions. I think there is a good chance CG will be our coach for the next few years.

I would sure like a couple wins over the next couple of weeks to SEAL THE DEAL!
 
If we go 6-5 Braine will be in a most difficult place. The fan base will be divided. A case could be reasonably made for firing or extension.

However, as I look at the Gailey era, with its wins and losses, ups and downs, I side with a contract extension. I believe we are more likely to continue a winning tradition and bowl streak with Coach Gailey and are more likely to dip lower into no bowls and losing records with a change.

Could I be wrong? Of course. Could a new coach come in and win more right off the bat? Perhaps. But, I still think the extension of 3 to 4 years is the right move. And, I hope Gailey would use the opportunity positively and accomplish more in the years to come. And, our student athletes deserve a more united fan base behind them than they have had the last couple of seasons.

Should he fail and our record decline, a firing and buyout would inevitably happen.
 
I agree. A longer term 'contract' with a very small buyout would help recruiting and could placate the reasonable Chan-haters.
 
The point is he has to do something this year IMO. We can't just let this play out next year. If Braine and Clough aren't ready to make a change, they must extend in some manner.
 
It is a very, very good point.

I agree.

If we beat UGA it is a no brainer. If we win the bowl it won't be tough. If we lose out he will still have to do it, but it will be tougher for sure.
 
Re: It is a very, very good point.

Not being a contracts expert, I'll ask this of the board:

Does (pre-bowl) 6-5 = 2 year extension and 7-4 = 4 year extension? I think a 1 year extension wouldn't read very well and I don't see GT going beyond 4 years without 8-3 or better with a bowl win.
 
Depends on the buyout.

I agree with your premise. No long term guaranteed contract without better than 6-5.
 
But it appears with CG we don't progress. We continue to make the same fundamental mistakes, decisions, lack of discipline, ST problems, QB problems, O line problems as we have for 3 years. We continue the same behavior and expect different results and it won't happen. There is no record to indicate CG can change the way he operates and teaches as it reflects in the record, or more importantly with the performance of the team. He, I don't think, will make any changes to his staff regardless of how necessary, unless it is 100% guarantee that he loses his job without doing so.

I think he must beat ugag to stay. Our S/As deserve better.

And I pray that we could have a record vs. ugag that Dooley has against us.
 
Re: It is a very, very good point.

The decision will be made after the U[sic]GA game. Win 7 and expect an extension for a few years. Win 6, and everything is on the table for Chan. 6 may or may not be enough. I don't think any decision has been made yet. After the U[sic]GA game, if we are still at 6 wins, I think we will begin to hear what issues are dispositive for the admin on this.

Everything will be done well before any bowl game (assuming there is one at this point).
 
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Vince figured out he'd only tarnish his legacy after Erk left and got out, before half the Dawg nation figured it out. He put in a couple of respectable, but not great seasons and got out while the getting was good. That was early 80's - 1983 to be exact the last time UGA was at the top of the heap with Russell and Dooly.


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Russell left UGAg after the 1980 season. UGAg went 10-2, 11-1, and 10-1-1 and won 2 SEC titles the first 3 seasons after he left.

Dooley's winning percentage with Russell was .693 and without him it was .760.

In summary, I don't think there is any merit to your idea that Dooley's success was all about Erk Russell.
 
Herschel Walker was there the seasons of 80, 81, and 82. Erk Russell was there in '81 also.

You could give #34 a little credit also, I guess.

Vince had zero SEC championships after Herschel left, which is what I said. Here it is:

Hall of Fame Football Coach
Inducted into College Hall of Fame in 1994
2001 Amos Alonzo Stagg Award from the American Football Coaches Association for lifetime contributions to the sport of football
25 seasons (1964-88)
20 Bowl Games
201 victories, ranked third nationally among active coaches at time of his retirement
1980 National Championship
Six SEC Championships (1966, '68, '76, '80, '81, '82)
1980 and '82 NCAA National Coach of the Year
SEC Coach of the Year seven times
State of Georgia Sports Hall of Fame
State of Alabama Sports Hall of Fame
Sun Bowl Hall of Fame
Georgia-Florida Game Hall of Fame
Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl Hall of Fame

No Herschel, no Erk, no more big time, - - time to get out.
 
Erk started at GSU in 82. I suspect he was there at least one year prior trying to get the team together. So Dooley would have had some successfull years without him. But, by your logic Tenuta has taken Chan to the level he's at. What would happen if Tenuta bailed? I don't even want to imagine.
 
Erk was at GSU for 8 seasons, ending in 89 - meaning starting in '81. Still Dooley had Walker.

I also would not want to see this team without Tenuta, but that's no different than Bowden and Andrews, GO and Fridge, or Richt and van Gorder. That's football, but that's not the point of my post.

I feel like I'm arguing with a child that continually changes his argument every time proven wrong. This post was never about Vince, much less Erk, but here you go:

Here are the specific records each year under Dooley's last 9:

1980 - 12-0-0 Erk and Herschel
1981 - 10-2-0 2 losses w/ Herschel, without Erk
1982 - 11-1-0 1 loss with Herschel, without Erk
1983 - 10-1-1 - one last year of success without either
1984 - 7-4-1
1985 - 7-3-2
1986 - 8-4
1987 - 9-3
1988 - 9-3

Why do you even bother defending VD or UGA anyway? Some of you guys just like to be confrontational.

Regardless - again - about what I said. No Herschel, no Erk, Vince can't continue his winning ways - which was not the point of my post.

What matters is that it was over 20 full years before any teams you might call "great" resumed at UGA. Change causes problems for many reasons. You don't boot a 'good' coach to be repled by another 'good' coach that you simply don't hate yet.

You only let a good coach go when you know dang well you have a BETTER replacement.

You shouldn't start in on me this way if the ammo you use is gonna turn out not to be accurate.

I feel like I'm in a Monty Python skit here. Do me a favor and make any of your responses relevant.
 
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Erk Russell was there in '81 also.

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No. He was not. He started at Georgia Southern as their head coach in May, 1981.

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Vince had zero SEC championships after Herschel left, which is what I said.

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That's not what you said. You didn't even mention Herschel Walker in your first post. You said it was all about Erk Russell.

In 1980 with Erk Russell running the defense, UGA gave up 137 points in 12 games. In 1981, without him, they gave up 122 points in 12 games.

Even if we slice it the way you want to, Dooley's winning percentage was .715 up to 1982, and .713 after 1982, so where's the absolute dependence or Herschel and Erk?
 
Like I said - Monty Pythin skit. I missed it by one year (of 8), off the top of my head.

The post was about what happens when you cahnge coaches without a better plan.
 
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I feel like I'm arguing with a child that continually changes his argument every time proven wrong.

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That is what you are doing - first Vince's success was all about Erk Russell ... then you changed it to Herschel Walker ... and then you made it exclusively about SEC Championships ... and now you say it was never about Vince Dooley or Erk Russell to begin with.

Whatever.
 
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