Vince Dooly is the greatest.

Dude - it's pretty clear that the very first post is about not having a changing of the guard and the proven consequences and track record of it.

I don't think anyone cares about whether it was 1981 or 1982 that Erk Left, or that he left - just that UGA didn't do jack until 2000 after all the changinges they kept making. Same with CU, Nebraska, ND, and Bama.

The post is about GT. The implications are about GT - not about VD. How could you miss that?
 
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Dude - it's pretty clear that the very first post is about not having a changing of the guard and the proven consequences and track record of it.

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I saw something I considered totally misleading and incorrect in your post and I pointed it out. You should just learn to accept something like that instead of trying to backpeddle and re-write your story.

As for your original point, I for the most part agree with it, but it's too simple. UGA stuck with Goff longer than they should have, and there was no building or payoff. Richt was not at all a certainty or proven in any way when they hired him, and he worked out.

The thing is, change can be for better or worse, but your examples tell us nothing about how to know. For every Ray Goff, following the successful Vince Dooley era with mediocrity, there is a Pete Carroll or Bob Stoops or Steve Spurrier or Mark Richt, following long eras of mediocrity with great success.

It's very rare for a coach who is going to reach that level of success to do so if he doesn't do it in his first 4 years. That's why people are always talking about Frank Beamer - he is one of the very few coaches anyone can dig up who reached a high level of success without doing it in the first 4 years as head coach.

Undoubtedly part of that is that many coaches who don't deliver greatness in the first 4 years are gone, but if you look at the ones who aren't you see the odds for a guy who doesn't deliver in the 1st 4 years are slim.
 
OK, so you're expanding it to Erk and Herschel. Where would we be without Tenuta and Calvin? You're just digging in deeper with every post. In those years with Herschel and Erk UGAy has much better records than Chan does even with Calvin and Tenuta.

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You only let a good coach go when you know dang well you have a BETTER replacement.

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We don't have that problem.
 
MM42 wanted an explanation of why Vince could be successful without Erk. My explanation was that it was only during the period that Herschel was there to bail him out.

No digging deep. Just responding directly to the topic he asked about.

Regardless, you are *still* intentionally getting off the subject I originally started, which is what happens when a school becomes not a great place to be employed.

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Why the hell is there a thread about Vince Dooley on Stingtalk?

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Because no one really cares what uga does!
 
And pray tell, Techfowl, which coach would we be letting go that has ever finished the season ranked? I'm kind of confused. It sounds like we would be letting someone who has won a lot go. Who are you talking about, because I'm not aware of one on the flats who has done much yet (though there are still two more games in which to earn an extension by winning just one)?

The university standard is to be consistently ranked t25. DB has made this very clear.
7-5 (7-6)
6-6 (7-6)
6-5 (7-5)
6-? (6-3)
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27-20
so far, overall
0-3 against u[sic]GA

The coaches you mentioned being fired or near it were doing substantially better (tuberville was 30-19 with two new year's games after 4 years--most at Tech would be THRILLED WITH THAT):

Auburn:
1999 Auburn 5-6-0
2000 Auburn 9-4-0 Citrus Bowl
2001 Auburn 7-5-0 Peach Bowl
2002 Auburn 9-4-0 Capital One Bowl
2003 Auburn 8-5-0 Music City Bowl
That's a lot better than Chan especially with the ACC as it was then versus the SEC as it was then...today, such 7 or 8 or 9 regular season wins in the ACC would be very good.

Nebraska: as you said was averaging 9-10 wins a year..we'd take that at Tech minus 2 wins a year
UGA in the 90's (during their post dooley slump: 71-41-1)
(we'd probably take that)
ND: Willingham took them to a BCS bowl....I like Boise, but not for football.

If Gailey had won 8 or 9 regular season games at any point or had any accomplishments similar to the coaches above, save Goff, who only survived so long b/c he was an alumnus an annoited by dodgy dooley, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Period.

This is not the old era of college football. GT is not a bad place to coach. I know many people like to bash GT in order to defend Chan, but stop with it. I have served in positions at GT and I can affirmatively state while we are a TOUGH place to coach, we can attract good coaches. Despite what some of you think, Clough and Braine are universally respected by the NCAA and coaching community. Just ask Coach Hewitt about what its like to coach under a university president like Clough.

If Chan can't produce, we'll have a shot at getting someone who can. For that matter, Chan may be able to produce. He has two games to do so. If he doesn't, he better hope the GTAA is in a fiscal position to do no better because that will be the only thing to save him. For that matter, /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drinking.gif here's to beating the tropical depressions and the mutts. Then we'll drink to Chan after a successful 8-3 season.
 
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MM42 wanted an explanation of why Vince could be successful without Erk. My explanation was that it was only during the period that Herschel was there to bail him out.


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Baloney - I asked for nothing, I simply pointed out the fallacy of your Erk Russell theory.

Then you brought in your new Herschel Walker theory, which is also wrong. The 1983 UGAg squad without Erk or Herschel was one of Dooley's best teams, arguably better than the 1980 MNC team. The 1980 team played a ridiculously easy schedule, facing only one ranked team (Notre Dame), whereas the 1983 team had to play 4, including #3 Auburn and #5 Texas (only loss all season was to UGAg). And as I previously explained, Dooley was .715 up until 1982 and .713 post-1982.

The 1980 UGAg team has to be the luckiest team of all time. They played a ridiculously easy schedule, barely squeaked by every decent team they played, and somehow managed to get voted #1.

Here's their schedule:

Squeaked by 5-6 Tennessee, 16-15 (Alabama beat them 27-0)
Clobbered 4-7 Texas A&M, 42-0 (Later lost 46-7 to Baylor)
Squeaked by 6-5 Clemson, 20-16 (Later lost to Duke 34-17)
Beat 1-10 TCU, 34-3 (Later destroyed 44-7 by Arkansas)
Edged 3-8 Ole Miss, 28-21 (Bama best them 59-35)
Stomped 2-9 Vandy, 41-0 (Bama beat them 41-0)
Beat 3-8 Kentucky, 27-0 (Bama beat them 45-0)
Nipped 8-4 S. Carolina, 13-10 (Pitt beat them 37-9)
Lindsay Scotted 8-4 Florida, 26-21 (Miami beat them 31-7)
Beat 5-6 Auburn, 31-21 (Tennessee beat them 42-0)
Beat 1-9-1 Georgia Tech, 38-20 (Bama beat us 26-3)
Edged 9-2-1 Notre Dame, 17-10 (USC beat them 20-3)
 
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