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savbandjacket said:
No. I think this process was completely mismanaged and a farce. If Batt was going to bunt and hire Key, it should have been done a long time ago. Instead, we dragged this out and outward appearance is that we got rejected by a 60+ year old coach at Tulane and possibly outbid for our first choice by a mid major.
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Ridiculous take far many reasons. 1) No one but us even knew we needed a coach. Not one mention on any major sports website. 2) Our last game was 4 days ago so the ”long time ago” comment is a joke. 3) No one reads the AJC or knows who Fritz is. Most people don’t even realize Tulane has a football team. Your post is just emotional blather.

Bottom line is our last game was Saturday and we now hired a coach a day after Auburn and Nebraska did.
 
GoldenIsle said:
I’m glad it is CBK, I wonder if our beat writer, Ken, jumping the gun messed up negotiations with Fritz.
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Fritz also may have wanted something of a guarantee in the contract too - he asked for the same thing during his second year at Southern, IIRC, the AD hemmed and hawed and Willie split.

In Ken's situation, you are almost never going to get anyone from the school, GTAA, etc to go on the record about a coaching search and who got offered and who didn't (he could file for open records requests after the fact). But you can kinda check out info you hear by asking sources at the other end of the discussions - coaches agents, sources at the coach's current school, etc.
With Fritz a candidate, I'm thinking Ken and the guys at the Times-Picayune (or whatever it is now) were in touch with each other, trading tips from sources.
 
Very cautious.

I feel our AD is taking a big chance with CBK, since this will be his first head coaching job. A lot depends on how
successful he can be at GT.

Staff hires and worth of mouth promises from a GT administration that has not
supported the football program in the past are two things that come to mind.

Time will tell, I hope CBK earns my full support, but having been a GT fan for 64 years and having seen a myriad
of good and bad things happen to this once proud program I have to remain very cautious. I truly hope for good
things for CBK and the GT football program.

As always; THWg!!
 
Depends for me. Let’s say cautiously optimistic.

If we get him for cheap and spend some $ on coordinators then I’m really, really happy. Something like $1M/year with heavy incentives for hitting benchmarks ($100K/win, $100K bonus for bowl eligibility, $250K for Coastal, $250K for ACC, $500K for Playoff, $1M for MNC).

If we throw $3M/year at a first-year HC with his dream job I’m gonna be meh on it.

And if we throw more than $3M/year at him I’m gonna question what the point of keeping him was to begin with. Because we probably could have gotten an established, exciting hire for that money.
 
gtrower said:
Depends for me. Let’s say cautiously optimistic.

If we get him for cheap and spend some $ on coordinators then I’m really, really happy. Something like $1M/year with heavy incentives for hitting benchmarks ($100K/win, $100K bonus for bowl eligibility, $250K for Coastal, $250K for ACC, $500K for Playoff, $1M for MNC).

If we throw $3M/year at a first-year HC with his dream job I’m gonna be meh on it.

And if we throw more than $3M/year at him I’m gonna question what the point of keeping him was to begin with. Because we probably could have gotten an established, exciting hire for that money.
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I hope we get him cheap and think we will, but there's no way we get him that cheap. We could either make him the lowest paid coach in the ACC with a mainly guaranteed contract, or we could make his contract mostly incentive based, but we can't do both.

There's no way we can give him an incentive based contract where winning 12 games and a conference title leaves him as the lowest paid coach in the ACC.

$1 million base salary
10 regular wins at $100,000/win = $1 million
$100,000 for bowl eligibility
$250,000 for making the ACC:CG (there is no coastal division anymore so I assume that's what you meant)
$100,000 for winning the ACC:CG (11th win)
$250,000 bonus for winning the conference
$100,000 for winning the bowl (12th win)

Total of $2,800,000, which is lower than any other coach in the conference. Lowest right now is $3,000,000.

Most likely I think we'll see a guaranteed contract that puts him near the bottom of the conference, probably with some incentives for winning. Maybe $3,000,000 base with $500k in incentives.

The key (no pun intended) will be that the buyout will be very small after year 2 or 3, so we will have complete financial flexibility -- remember rumors are that the lack of long-term guarantees were why we whiffed on some of the bigger names. You say we could get an exciting, established coach for $3,000,000, but I really don't think that's the case unless we were willing to make a long term guarantee like we did with Collins.

Exciting, established coaches aren't beating down the door to take the lowest paid salary in the ACC with no long term guarantees.
 
gtrower said:
Depends for me. Let’s say cautiously optimistic.

If we get him for cheap and spend some $ on coordinators then I’m really, really happy. Something like $1M/year with heavy incentives for hitting benchmarks ($100K/win, $100K bonus for bowl eligibility, $250K for Coastal, $250K for ACC, $500K for Playoff, $1M for MNC).

If we throw $3M/year at a first-year HC with his dream job I’m gonna be meh on it.

And if we throw more than $3M/year at him I’m gonna question what the point of keeping him was to begin with. Because we probably could have gotten an established, exciting hire for that money.
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Hire a P5 HC for $1 million a year? LOL
The minimum pay for a P5 HC is about $3.5 per year.
Times have changed. You can’t use the 2005 pay scale anymore.
 
05GTCorndog said:
Hire a P5 HC for $1 million a year? LOL
The minimum pay for a P5 HC is about $3.5 per year.
Times have changed. You can’t use the 2005 pay scale anymore.
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Well yes, if he went 0-12 he’d make $1M/year. If he went 6-6 he’d make about $1.7M. Which is almost a 200% raise over his current salary.

It’s pretty odd for a guy who’s not even really a coordinator to go straight to P5 HC. If he cut his teeth at a G5 school he wouldn’t be sniffing $3.5M. Chadwell makes under $1M/year at Coastal. I don’t see why it’s mandatory that we pay P5 dollars for a guy who doesn’t have a P5 résumé.

And I’m not using an old scale. I’m proposing a new scale. Where the HC is not necessarily making a lot more than the coordinators. Would only work if you had somebody who cared enough about the school to work for less and/or somebody who is not established enough to warrant a normal HC salary. We have both in Key.
 
gtrower said:
Well yes, if he went 0-12 he’d make $1M/year. If he went 6-6 he’d make about $1.7M. Which is almost a 200% raise over his current salary.

It’s pretty odd for a guy who’s not even really a coordinator to go straight to P5 HC. If he cut his teeth at a G5 school he wouldn’t be sniffing $3.5M. Chadwell makes under $1M/year at Coastal. I don’t see why it’s mandatory that we pay P5 dollars for a guy who doesn’t have a P5 résumé.

And I’m not using an old scale. I’m proposing a new scale. Where the HC is not necessarily making a lot more than the coordinators. Would only work if you had somebody who cared enough about the school to work for less and/or somebody who is not established enough to warrant a normal HC salary. We have both in Key.
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Clown proposal.

We had enough difficulty getting Chadwell or Fritz to commit to us with our limitations. Now, lets completely insult the one guy who really wanted the job by proposing to pay him 30% of the market rate.
 
gtrower said:
Well yes, if he went 0-12 he’d make $1M/year. If he went 6-6 he’d make about $1.7M. Which is almost a 200% raise over his current salary.

It’s pretty odd for a guy who’s not even really a coordinator to go straight to P5 HC. If he cut his teeth at a G5 school he wouldn’t be sniffing $3.5M. Chadwell makes under $1M/year at Coastal. I don’t see why it’s mandatory that we pay P5 dollars for a guy who doesn’t have a P5 résumé.

And I’m not using an old scale. I’m proposing a new scale. Where the HC is not necessarily making a lot more than the coordinators. Would only work if you had somebody who cared enough about the school to work for less and/or somebody who is not established enough to warrant a normal HC salary. We have both in Key.
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Key would never accept that. He already knows that our top options turned us down. He knows that even if we wanted to go to our fifth or sixth option instead of hiring him, it would cost us much more than what you are proposing.

So he'd hold out for something that is comparable to what we would have to give those other candidates, which is way more than you are suggesting. And our only other option would be to get someone we want less than him for more money, which makes no sense.
 
05GTCorndog said:
Clown proposal.

We had enough difficulty getting Chadwell or Fritz to commit to us with our limitations. Now, lets completely insult the one guy who really wanted the job by proposing to pay him 30% of the market rate.
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Again you’re assuming we go 0-12 in your calcs. In which case I think we’d be fine lowballing him. He makes $600K/year right now as an assistant coach. Why the öööö would we pay him the normal going rate for a HC when he has near-zero experience. The entire point of hiring him is to get him cheap. That’s literally the reason to keep him.
 
gtrower said:
Again you’re assuming we go 0-12 in your calcs. In which case I think we’d be fine lowballing him. He makes $600K/year right now as an assistant coach. Why the öööö would we pay him the normal going rate for a HC when he has near-zero experience. The entire point of hiring him is to get him cheap. That’s literally the reason to keep him.
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Why the hell would he take the job for pennies on the dollar? We likely are getting him cheap. Look at the contracts other P5 coaches are getting. I guarantee Key's will be in the bottom 20% of that if not lower.

Your entire premise is based on the belief that Georgia Tech can hire and pay people on a payscale that is unlike the rest of the industry. Your idea of performance-based pay sounds great in theory, but you can't be the only player in the market that decides to adopt that scheme and expect anyone to want to work for you. Sure, Key wanted the job, but he also wants the pay that goes along with the position.
 
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