What are GT and the ACC options as a counter move to SEC expansion

I don’t get all the talk for West Virginia…I don’t see how they add any financial impact, and that’s what all this expansion is about. If we get Notre Dame it really doesn’t matter who the 16th school is. But if we don’t, I’d be more interested in Central Florida or Oklahoma State than West Virginia.
 
The answer used to be the same as it has been since the end of the BCS. Get the words "conference champion" added to the CFP invitation requirements. Follow the dominoes.

Not gonna happen now though. At this point we need to be positioning for membership in the upcoming 32-team superleague that will replace the NCAA.
 
Right now, I am thinking two of our more viable conference additions could be the Atlanta Falcons and Jacksonville Jaguars. That would not give us expanded TV maps, but they would add to the win totals of the other conference members, ensuring more and better bowls.
 
Get together with the B1G, PAC, etc and stop playing the SEC in any sport or competition.
Let the SEC exist as their own insular world. They will be very successful. But they will also be extremely boring playing the same teams year in and year out, whereas the rest of the sporting world would be far more interesting. And they will be heavily regionally concentrated.

Every ACC team would play 8 of their ACC counterparts every year with a rotating cast of 4 PAC and B1G teams every year. Drop the easy win game against the FCS teams.

The SEC will become a successful regional conference whereas the rest of the conferences can be national.

The SEC has always been the one that has driven college football into worse directions. Right from the days when GT quit the SEC because of the rampant cheating and lack of care for the student athletes, to when they sued the NCAA and essentially made the game professional (for everyone but the players) and now where they continue to unnecessarily destabilize the broader sport for their own short term and narrow interests.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the corruption and internal arms race catches up with them within a few decades and the conference collapses under its own weight.

But even if it doesn’t, and continues to be successful beyond the remaining conferences, I am personally happier supporting a team that is playing in a sporting ecosystem that is not driven by the SEC’s push to wring every dollar out of sports that are supposed to be amateur.
 
Well I do agree with the notion that the SEC was built on cheating and are now being rewarded...

Your idea is a good one, however, it is much more likely that that idea sets the ACC apart from the Big Ten, Pac Ten, and SEC. The Big Ten and Pac Ten are going together and so far, the Big Ten has moved forward in lockstep with the SEC.

The ACC has a lot of small schools with small alumni bases that just can not compete with fans versus the SEC and Big Ten which sets us apart from the rest.

If you could pull it off however, I would be all for the rest of the country participating with college students instead of professional athletes. As far as I am concerned, let the SEC go do their thing. I'm not watching.

The ACC needs to change all of their decisions regarding "fans" and do everything possible to increase fan interest. This is a huge priority:
1) Get rid of the model that all games are on TV, if in fact, you can make a lot more money without that.
2) Create better regional rivalries which likely means go to north and south with UM in the north. Or go to pods. Yes it would be tough on Tech to play FSU and Clemson every year but so be it. It's more interesting to everyone.
3) If in fact the Big 12 is done, the ACC should step up and create bowl deals (if available) with the Big Ten.
4) Make decisions that helps GT, FSU, UNC, VPI in football....create easy schedules a la the SEC, put in breaks before games against ND, et al. This clearly works, start doing it.
5) For schools like Tech, put games at night! Do everything you can to develop a bigger fan base.

6) Push the NCAA for stricter recruting rules. Drop the overall number to 60, drop the annual max recruits to 15. Creating more equity will help the other conferences.
7) Push the NCAA or whoever makes the decision to limit the number of participants from one conference to participate in the Final 12.
8) Get rid of the FINAL 12 idea. It is going to ruin conference championships, it's going to ruin the meaning of the season, preseason SEC biases will always get them more participants, more money. Get rid of the bias by limiting or never going to 12!!!
 
midatlantech said:
Well I do agree with the notion that the SEC was built on cheating and are now being rewarded...

Your idea is a good one, however, it is much more likely that that idea sets the ACC apart from the Big Ten, Pac Ten, and SEC. The Big Ten and Pac Ten are going together and so far, the Big Ten has moved forward in lockstep with the SEC.

The ACC has a lot of small schools with small alumni bases that just can not compete with fans versus the SEC and Big Ten which sets us apart from the rest.

If you could pull it off however, I would be all for the rest of the country participating with college students instead of professional athletes. As far as I am concerned, let the SEC go do their thing. I'm not watching.

The ACC needs to change all of their decisions regarding "fans" and do everything possible to increase fan interest. This is a huge priority:
1) Get rid of the model that all games are on TV, if in fact, you can make a lot more money without that.
2) Create better regional rivalries which likely means go to north and south with UM in the north. Or go to pods. Yes it would be tough on Tech to play FSU and Clemson every year but so be it. It's more interesting to everyone.
3) If in fact the Big 12 is done, the ACC should step up and create bowl deals (if available) with the Big Ten.
4) Make decisions that helps GT, FSU, UNC, VPI in football....create easy schedules a la the SEC, put in breaks before games against ND, et al. This clearly works, start doing it.
5) For schools like Tech, put games at night! Do everything you can to develop a bigger fan base.

6) Push the NCAA for stricter recruting rules. Drop the overall number to 60, drop the annual max recruits to 15. Creating more equity will help the other conferences.
7) Push the NCAA or whoever makes the decision to limit the number of participants from one conference to participate in the Final 12.
8) Get rid of the FINAL 12 idea. It is going to ruin conference championships, it's going to ruin the meaning of the season, preseason SEC biases will always get them more participants, more money. Get rid of the bias by limiting or never going to 12!!!
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The NCAA is dead. There are no rules anymore.
 
ND isn't going to happen unless they lose access to the playoff (no), lose their TV contract (no), or find it hard to make a good schedule (don't think so). They don't give a öööö about money. They only make $15/y from NBC, plus whatever fractional allowance they get from the ACC for their participation.

No need to add middling WVU. The goal is upping the $$/yr, not diluting it. You can argue the ACC has done fairly well...the last expansion upped the TV rights money so we are more competitive, we have one of the strongest/longest grant of rights, and the ACC network is now online and contributing. I don't think you HAVE to do anything. We're not going to be the #1 football conference, but we're poised to be a solid 2 or 3.
 
There was discussion more than a decade ago about Georgia Tech going to the Big 10. I was really excited about it, and thought that we missed a very big opportunity. We fit in much better there academically. And the Big Ten is a much better football conference than the ACC.

I strongly dislike Wake Forest, Duke, North Carolina State and North Carolina (especially). Being in a conference with those yo-yos is like working for a company with four other “equals “but their dad owns the company.

Georgia Tech would do very well to go to the Big Ten, even if it required more travel.
 
All this conference realignment is killing long standing traditions. The paying of players by private companies will kill college football.

Shouldn’t have done stupid $700/month stipends at all. Could have given more and prevented Alabama’s quarterbacks from making 7 figure salaries for the foreseeable future.

The game we knew 20 years ago is toast.

Shouldn’t even call it college football anymore. Perhaps something like Entitled Little League would be more fitting.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
There was discussion more than a decade ago about Georgia Tech going to the Big 10. I was really excited about it, and thought that we missed a very big opportunity. We fit in much better there academically. And the Big Ten is a much better football conference than the ACC.

I strongly dislike Wake Forest, Duke, North Carolina State and North Carolina (especially). Being in a conference with those yo-yos is like working for a company with four other “equals “but their dad owns the company.

Georgia Tech would do very well to go to the Big Ten, even if it required more travel.
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Oh yay. Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland and Rutgers sounds like a ööööing blast. I get the arguments when they're about money but this idea that the Big Ten would be some powder keg of excitement is one of the dumbest takes ever. öööö the Big 10. Give me road trips to Tobacco Road all day long.
 
The next ten years are the most important in tech football history. If Collins can build a program that can be consistently ranked and give the team a shot at upsetting better teams then tech can survive. If this doesn’t happen in the next ten years then under this new world the program will fade into obscurity. Unfortunately with that may go many other teams that Tech competes in.
 
I’d let ND bring Navy with them over WVU if it meant landing ND. And I would happily take WVU in and kick UL to the curb.
 
I shared a plan on Twitter. The ACC should go big! Create a new SuperConference with the PAC-12.

Call it the Pacific to Atlantic Coast Conference (P-ACC). 32 teams strong. Notre Dame and Penn State join because they get to play west coast rivalries.
Add in Kansas, OK State, Texas Tech, and Baylor and the conference has a footprint in 13 of the 15 largest tv markets.
ESPN would quickly renegotiate.
8 team conference playoff. Leave the SEC and BIG10 with scraps. They would either have to consolidate or risk the SuperConference picking off their members one by one.

From coast to coast, it's P-ACC Football and Basketball!
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Zaac2000 said:
I shared a plan on Twitter. The ACC should go big! Create a new SuperConference with the PAC-12.
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That is not outside the box, that is "What box?"

I don't know what it is but somebody is going to have to come up with something imaginative.

Neither we nor the PAC 12 have all that many options.
 
Hell, if the SEC is serious about poaching Clemson, we should work out a UT/OU deal with the Tigers. The SEC wouldn't vote to take us on our own, but if they want Clemson I think they would hold their collective noses and vote us in.
 
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