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for us in regard to head to head year in and year out with ugag. i truly expect us to at least win 50 percent of the time. am i expecting too much given our academic situation and our limited curriculm. i would like to hears what others expect.
 
Originally posted by toe meets leather:
for us in regard to head to head year in and year out with ugag. i truly expect us to at least win 50 percent of the time. am i expecting too much given our academic situation and our limited curriculm. i would like to hears what others expect.
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Agree, 50% at least and during the other 50% - competitive so that they will always know who we are and what we can do!
 
Agree, 50% at least and during the other 50% - competitive so that they will always know who we are and what we can do!
 
I am with you jacketguy, I am old enough to remember when we owned them. I am looking forward to that day again. Okay, no cruel jokes.

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50/50 or no worse than 45/55.

Since the beginning of the 70's, we've only been 30/70. That's just not good enough. For a long time, we just simply weren't competitive and our athletic department was adrift as we were barely 1-A. But we've corrected alot of our old problems wrt stadium, facilities, campus, conference affiliation, etc. Given the current status of the program, 50/50 is reasonable. As a comparison, we're 9-11 against Clemson over the last 20 years and only 7-13 against UGA. Clemson and UGa have been roughly equal over the last 20 years, with UGA being consistently stronger over the last 5 years. Before then, Clemson was better in some years and UGA was better in other years. So, I'm disappointed that our record against UGA isn't a little better over the last 20 years.

I hate to say this, but with MR doing so well, if he stays, it won't get any easier with the UGA rivalry. Chan will have his work cut out for him on a year-in/year-out basis. I think he's up to the task, but we can't keep laying an egg like we did this year.

The key is to make it into a game that Georgia dreads. If you ask any Georgia fan, they'll tell you how hard it is to play Auburn every year and to beat them. That rivalry is split almost 50/50. We need our rivalry to be that hard for them...the kind of game where they know they'll have to play their hardest to beat us. Right now, they don't even remotely feel that way.
 
Obviously, no worse than 50-50 and actually could/should be better than that.
When we had O'leary and they had Donn_n, then I would say we would probably have won at least 2-3 ratio (of course we had actually won 3 out of the last 4).
But now with ugag having Richt and us having Gailey, and getting historically thrashed, I would say we will probably not even be competitive with them until there is a changing of the guard.
Very sad, actually.
 
I have no choice but to agree with you Beeware. I see nothing in Chan Gailey's career that suggest that he can turn this team back into the right direction. Don't see us being competitive.
 
What I want, and what I expect, are two different things. I want 50/50 or better, like everyone else. THIS IS A PIPE DREAM!!!
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All wars come down to a basic element...man power. If your side has more soldiers and equipment, you will eventually prevail in any extended conflict. The same holds true in football rivalries. The school with over-whelmingly larger alumni and fan bases, larger curriculum options, lower academic standards, larger stadium, better facilities, better radio, TV, and newspaper coverage,and a more stable athletic assoc. and staff will always dominate it's rival.
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There is no denying that UGA has dominated us across the board in football since the mid 60's. Previous to this time period, we held our own against them. Only our limited curriculum, and their 50,000 watts at WSB radio could be viewed as disadvantages then. Our stadiums and fan bases were even. Our media coverage was even. Coaches tended to be more stable (or loyal). Those days are gone forever, and as a result, Tech finds its most hated rival superior to itself in almost every important catagory.
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Rivals like Alabama-Auburn, SC-Clemson, UF-FSU, are examples of even playing fields. Rivals like ND-Navy, Tenn-Vandy, LSU-Tulane, are the other extreme. We are closer to the second group than the first, and have been for several decades. Tech can beat UGA, and does from time to time. But it is considered the fluke or exception by UGA supporters, never the rule. The recent "3 in a row" cost a very successful coach his job for no other better reason than losing 3 to GT was against the UGA rules.
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Having UGA as our major rival is a VERY large monkee on our back, that only grows larger and larger with time. Our disadvantages to UGA have many negative impacts on our Athletic Assoc. and fans.
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Tech, for the last few decades, has not been willing, or has not been financially able, to hire a football genius/spokesman/saviour the likes of Dodd, B.Bowden, or Richt. Only this type of "Moses" can save Tech from its long standing situation.
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I want more than 50/50 but would take it. I want no thrashings like this year and no streaks longer than 2 years of losses.
 
Rather than a percentage, I'd settle for going into the game in a competitive mode and I believe you'd find we would win more times than not, or better than 50%. One thing that cannot be allowed is a blowout of momunumental proportion, like this year. With scholarship limitations, it has created parity among most college programs, save for the top 10 or bottom 10 or 15 in 1A. I knew it would be a longshot to beat them this year on the road in Athens, but never thought I'd see a Tech team so ill-prepared and unmotivated in such a big game.

Tiger Woods elevated the bar in golf. Georgia, at least as one of our closest neighbors, has raised it for us in college football. Tech, and I'm talking about fans, students, and players as well as coaches, needs to get rekindled for this game or you will see repeats. There was alot of defeatism and lethargy this year prior to the game. We all need to figure that out and get it changed before they come to our place next year. Hopefully, CG already has that date circled on the team's calendar.
 
Originally posted by statelinejacket:
I have no choice but to agree with you Beeware. I see nothing in Chan Gailey's career that suggest that he can turn this team back into the right direction. Don't see us being competitive.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Have you not noticed what he did with the Cowboys in '98 and '99? He took an aging, over-the-hill bunch of blowhards fresh off of a 6-10 season and took them to the playoffs 2 times in a row. Then, he got fired (big mistake), and they went right back to sucking again.
 
Bobby Dodds Ghost, you said all wars come down to manpower. That is not true, especially in the present world. It all depends on which side has the most technology and best strategic planning.

It is the same in football. The best coaches can beat you with their's or beat their's with your's. We should, year in and year out, have some of the smartest players in the country. With the right type of offense and right type of defense and the best strategic planning, we can beat those with more manpower.

How did we beat UGA for three years straight when Friegden was here? We did not have the best manpower, we had the best weapons and the best strategic planning.

We can do it again. We have to further purge the system, get rid of dead weight, and place the most tactical coaches in the right positions. We might even have to remove some old weapons and coordinators of those weapons and become much better technically. Look for Nix to get it done on offense in 2003.

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My comments are intended as a historical overview of our program vs UGA's. We will continue to only win 1 out of every 5 or 6 games because the deck is stacked against us in TOO many areas (which I listed a few of above). We are in a CATCH 22 with UGA.
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It took me 20 years to realize this painful, but undeniable truth. I do not like it, but I have finally excepted it.
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Alsoisee:

"It is the same in football. The best coaches can beat you with their's or beat their's with your's."

Couldn't agree more! Quote is similar to Bear Bryant's, " I can beat you with mine'n then beat you with your'n." Or something close.....

The best coaches,manage to put their team in a position to win by effective strategy and technology (gatoraide).
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Problem is today the best coaches won't stay around long. If a school gets 4 years they have done well.

This is why I have come around to the ideal selection for a second tier school like ours is a coach who is a Tech man. Then we have a better change at longevity.

Absent that, and sometimes even with that-- right Coach Curry, good coaches aren't going to stay here long. Which is why some of us are concerned with how long it takes a coach to turnaround a program. If he gets off to a slow start, you school gets only one or two good years and he is gone.
 
How about TO NOT BE EMBARASSED?!!!

It seems to me like we can't win for losing. I'm so sick of hearing the pups say we "cheated" in '99. That was a fumble if i've ever seen one!! TIIR was awesome, and that's what we need to get back to.

Any chance they'll give QC another year of elibibility and we can start a new streak?

If not, the road ahead looks bumpy. We'll steal one or two when they're not looking, but as long as this staff's in place, we're mediocre.
 
71, I don't think there is much doubt about your statement. A coach that has played for a school will be the most likely candidate to remain faithful to the school when the green is waved in front of them.

Of course, it is not absolute, but the odds are better.

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