what was the best bowl O'leary took GT to?....

I know why you've started this thread.

But seriously, what is the need for this?

How many years now have you been bringing up negatives about O'Leary to make Chan look better?
 
I would say the Gator.....

What is the best final ranking Gailey has led us to?

What was his best game agaist uga?
 
law_bee said:
anybody know?
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I believe a Gator Bowl victory of Notre Dame tops anything we have seen in the last few years.. We would have gotten a better bowl but Florida State was ranked #5 (they finished #3 after the bowls) and wasnt a patsy like they are now...

You argument will hold more value when Gailey:

1. Wins an ACC Championship
or
2. Wins a quality bowl game
or
3. Wins 10 games (maybe this year with a qb change)
or.
4. Loses less than 5 games in a season.
or.
5. Wins more than 7 games on a schedule that DOESN'T include samford and troy.

and no I wont even mention beating UGA at least once...

But don't count on a Gator Bowl victory over WV to look as shiny as the Notre Dame win...but its a good start to something bigger.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/1998/bowls/gator/news/1999/01/01/gator_bowl/
 
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Interesting, but this WV team may be ranked higher than ND was when we played in '99. I don't have the inclination right now to look it up but it wouldn't surprise me. That ND team wasn't that good but it was ND so counts for a lot in perception points. This WV team is better imo, but that won't matter if we don't beat them.
 
ncjacket said:
Interesting, but this WV team may be ranked higher than ND was when we played in '99. I don't have the inclination right now to look it up but it wouldn't surprise me. That ND team wasn't that good but it was ND so counts for a lot in perception points. This WV team is better imo, but that won't matter if we don't beat them.
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Notre Dame was 17th ranked at 9-2.. they had been ranked 9th but lost the season finale to Southern Cal.

and we were 4-26-1 against them at the time.. this win had tons of value.
 
From 1998-2000 GT under O'Leary went a combined 27-9 (including one of only two 10 win seasons over the last 50 years), 18-6 in the ACC and split the ACC championship in '98. Also during this time they went 1-1 in the Gator Bowl and lost in the Peach. The program under Gailey just has not achieved that same level of success.

I want the program to be successful under CCG, and after a great game against VT and what I thought was a great 4th quarter statement against Miami, I really felt that the program had turned a corner. The Clemson game didn't even bother me, Clemson played the game of their season that night, those things happen every now and then.

I fully expected to defeat UGA, by 10+, to win the ACC and get to the Orange Bowl. As it turns out the program under CCG seems to have come full circle in one quarter of the season. I will give credence to at least being in position to win 10 games this season as that would be an accomplishment. It will however take me a while to get over the fact that CCG watched his starting QB go 15-51, 0 TD, 4 INT and not even consider putting his back-up in for one series just to see what might happen.
 
GT65_UGA89 said:
It will however take me a while to get over the fact that CCG watched his starting QB go 15-51, 0 TD, 4 INT and not even consider putting his back-up in for one series just to see what might happen.
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You hit the nail on the head. That's my bottom line as well.

And I don't expect to EVER get over it. It borders on insanity in my mind.
 
That's what has soured the season. If Chan had given TB a shot and we still lost both games it would suck, but at least we would see something going on. The way it ended in both games was with Reggie on the field with a chance to win the game and we couldn't even get into their end of the field. It really makes what could have been a really good year feel hollow.
 
3rdGenJacket said:
How many years now have you been bringing up negatives about O'Leary to make Chan look better?
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Is going to the Gator Bowl a negative?
 
Under O'Leary we played:

Carquest - Beat West Virginia (7-5 / Unranked)
Gator - Beat Notre Dame (9-3 / #22)
Gator - Lost to Miami (9-4 / #15)
Peach - Lost to LSU (8-4 / #22)
Seatle - Beat Stanford (8-4 / #24)

Under Gailey:

Silicon Valley - Lost to Fresno State (9-5 / Unranked)
Humanitarian - Beat Tulsa (8-5 / Unranked)
Champs Sports - Beat Syracuse (6-6 / Unranked)
Emerald - Lost to Utah (7-5 / Unranked)

O'Leary was 3-2 vs. Gailey 2-2

O'Leary's teams played five BCS conference teams none of which had more than 4 losses after the bowl. 4 of the 5 finished the season ranked even after losing their bowl game. Both of the teams O'Leary lost to went on to win national championships within two seasons.

Gailey's teams have only played one BCS conference team. None of the teams went into the bowl game or finished the season ranked even if they won their bowl game. None of Gailey's opponents have had fewer than 5 losses.

Stanford was ranked 8th in the BCS the year we played them which is higher than West Virginia who is ranked 13th this year.

If Gailey loses to West Virginia, he will become the first GT HC with more than 1 bowl appearance to have a losing bowl record.
 
Under O'Leary we played:

Carquest - Beat West Virginia (7-5 / Unranked)
Gator - Beat Notre Dame (9-3 / #22)
Gator - Lost to Miami (9-4 / #15)
Peach - Lost to LSU (8-4 / #22)
Seatle - Beat Stanford (8-4 / #24)

Under Gailey:

Silicon Valley - Lost to Fresno State (9-5 / Unranked)
Humanitarian - Beat Tulsa (8-5 / Unranked)
Champs Sports - Beat Syracuse (6-6 / Unranked)
Emerald - Lost to Utah (7-5 / Unranked)
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This analysis forgets the years we didn't go to a bowl game. GOL also wasn't coaching against Stanford.

I also still say that if we weren't shafted out of the Music City Bowl, we would have beaten Minnesota easily and Chan would already have a fairly impressive season.

Personally, I think both Chan and GOL came into some pretty bad situations, although GOL's bad situation was much more obvious. Neither are the worst coaches or the greatest coaches and everybody seems to exaggerates the two coaches' weaknesses or strengths depending on their position on Chan.

If there was no ACCCG and we ended up in the Gator Bowl against WVU, we would all be very happy with the way the season's turned out. I don't care how down the ACC is, I'm going to enjoy one of the few New Year's Day bowls we've had in the last forty years.
 
Gailey has the two worst losses in GT bowl history. The loss to Utah is mathematically the worst loss in GT bowl history to probably the second worst team played in GT bowl history. The worst bowl opponent in GT history has to be the Fresno State team that lost 6 starters the day before the game and Gailey lost to this team as well.
 
Lawbee... he's like Johnny Cochran of Stingtalk. He'll defend the indefensible.
 
Does JTS stand for John Tenuta Senior?

Don't be stupid. We are 9-4 with two tough three point losses in a row. Firing Chan would make the clowns running Alabama look like geniuses in comparison.

When Ole Miss fired Cutcliffe, that might've been the stupidest firing ever with the WVU rock scientists running off Bobby Bowden being the other candidate for dumbest that I can recall. Can anyone think of a dumber firing?

Firing Chan would make the Ole Miss decision look Mensa-like in comparison.

We would be labeled irrational like Bama (edit: far, far worse than Bama)and since we don't have all the Bama 'advantages', we would likely NEVER be able to get a high profile coach to come here.

The point is having a really world-class stupid comment in bold 64 point font at the bottom of your post is irrational and reflects poorly on you and GT.
 
JTS said:
Gailey has the two worst losses in GT bowl history. The loss to Utah is mathematically the worst loss in GT bowl history to probably the second worst team played in GT bowl history. The worst bowl opponent in GT history has to be the Fresno State team that lost 6 starters the day before the game and Gailey lost to this team as well.
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To be fair, Gailey also has two of the most lopsided victories in our bowl history as well.
 
As long as we have Tenuta, we will win at least 6-8 games because it is almost impossible not to win that many games with a defense as good as Tenuta puts on the field. But when Tenuta leaves and is replaced with a Nix-equivalent DC, we will be in bad shape.

If we promote Tenuta, we do not need to go to the open market so the perception won't matter and we will give Tenuta his 5 years.
 
JTS said:
As long as we have Tenuta, we will win at least 6-8 games because it is almost impossible not to win that many games with a defense as good as Tenuta puts on the field. But when Tenuta leaves and is replaced with a Nix-equivalent DC, we will be in bad shape.

If we promote Tenuta, we do not need to go to the open market so the perception won't matter and we will give Tenuta his 5 years.
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You are assuming our D would be as good with Tenuta as HC as it is with him at DC. Please refer to the O'Leary years for a hole in your hypothesis.
 
We can argue all day long about Tenuta as a HC but Chan has one thing that Tenuta will never have. Tenuta as a DC. The idea that Tenuta will be continue to field a world-class D while Head Coaching in his spare time is far from given.

Still the fact is that people are openly laughing at Alabama and they fired a 6-6 coach. For us to fire Chan would turn Georgia Tech into a verb that would be used to describe a stupid coaching decisions moving forward. There is no way any Div 1 team would make a dumber move in the future.

Thanks for advocating it in bold 64 point font however!
 
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