Why are people so into playoffs?

Diseqc said:
The model for the playoffs already exists. FCS doesn't seem to have much problem running one, I don't see why FBS can't copy that plan.
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$$$

The business models are completely different and involve different orders of magnitude for TV, attendance, etc.
 
midatlantech said:
The NCAA doesn't give a hoot about academics or the NFL (academics finishes as different times all over the country). Div 1AA has 20 teams in their playoffs, why wouldn't Div 1A have as many? Div1AA finishes around January 7th, as Div 1A could (which is how it is today).

As to logistics, Div 1AA uses home field advantage until the quarterfinals I believe. Div 1A could do the same. As it stands, the SEC doesn't arguably know who is in their championship until the week before and they sell enough tickets without a problem.

Have the quarterfinals go to regional bowl games just like the NCAA effectively does today in other sports. Here's the quarterfinals:

Peach Bowl
Gator Bowl
Cotton Bowl
Holiday Bowl

Semifinals:
Orange
Sugar
Fiesta
Rose

Finals:
Wherever

I personally believe that every bowl game would be a huge sellout. I know that if my team was in the final eight, I'd be there.

Also, you could add more cities for the Round of 16:
Charlotte
Detroit
DC
Tampa
Indianapolis
Houston
Las Vegas
San Fran

Imagine this:
Charlotte (Georgia Tech v Alabama)
Detroit (OSU v Western Michigan)
DC (VPI v Pittsburgh)
Tampa (Florida v Central Florida)
Indianapolis (Iowa v Boise State)
Houston (Texas v TCU)
Las Vegas (Hawaii v Utah)
San Fran (Oregon v San Diego State)

I don't think logistics plays into it all personally. I think it's more about politics and the NCAA's lack of power of the football programs. But when it changes, I think we'll see something very similar to Div 1AA.
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1) The NCAA CLEARLY gives a hoot about academics. It's why no bowl games or D-1 basketball games are scheduled during exams. Didn't you wonder last season why the team doesn't play any games between Dec 5 and Dec 14th? That's the exam period. BC not all schools are on the same schedule, you'll end up with much wider period where no games can be scheduled. In fact, its the NCAAs stated goal to “to manage academics by working to schedule bowl games no sooner than the third weekend in December.” There you go, at the earliest you'd start a bowl the third weekend in December (meaning the earliest you would start would be around the 16th or 17th).

I guess you could have a round of 32 then, a round of 16 around xmas, a round of 8 on NYD/NYE, semis on Jan 8, and finals on Jan 15. Seems too stretched out to be feasible imo, especially when factoring in competition with NFL playoffs.

I wasn't talking about logistics in terms of location, but instead in terms of time management.

I was speaking more before there's no chance low ranked teams get a shot to play. It's possible there is a 16 or 20 team playoff, but I think given the beating football puts on a college players body they won't want to extend the season that long. FCS schools don't have to contend with that as much bc their players are slower, softer, and weaker.

EDIT: Also logistics will come into play under your proposal. If you are using NFL stadiums you are going to have to work around their schedule. Some may not want college games the day before a major playoff game, particularly on a real grass surface.
 
Diseqc said:
This doesn't get around the current antitrust lawsuit issues. If the big 6 are guaranteed entry, then you can bet the smaller conferences are going to complain.
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What if you had a 10 team playoff where you invited all conference champs (9) that finished ranked in the top 15? Add the top ranking independent, provided it too finished ranked in the top 15.(a defacto independant champion, if you will) If you happened to win your conference, but finished outside the top 15, you're SOL. Unfilled spots would go to the highest ranked non-champions. The top 6 seeded teams would get 1st round bys. The bottom 4 would play a first round game with winners advancing to the second round.

This way it would give value to the polls and keep the regular season relevant and it would get around antitrust issues since it applies to all equally.
 
I think any team who hasn't won its conference should be excluded. They play by given rules and if they fail, it's their problem. I know of the extreme Oklahoma/Texas case, but that was a rule their conference should fix, rather than playoffs adjusting specifically to that.
 
cyptomcat said:
I think any team who hasn't won its conference should be excluded. They play by given rules and if they fail, it's their problem. I know of the extreme Oklahoma/Texas case, but that was a rule their conference should fix, rather than playoffs adjusting specifically to that.
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OK.
9 conf champs + 1 independant = 10 team playoff. I'm cool with that.
 
midatlantech said:
I personally believe that every bowl game would be a huge sellout. I know that if my team was in the final eight, I'd be there.
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So just to be clear. If your team was in the final 8 you're saying you'd go to FL or wherever for a quarterfinal game, say back to FL for the semis and maybe Calli for the championship game? I admire your dedication and bank account, but doubt many fans could do the same. The games might be sellouts, but not because fans would travel that much.
 
ncjacket said:
So just to be clear. If your team was in the final 8 you're saying you'd go to FL or wherever for a quarterfinal game, say back to FL for the semis and maybe Calli for the championship game? I admire your dedication and bank account, but doubt many fans could do the same. The games might be sellouts, but not because fans would travel that much.
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The only way to make it feasible would be to have home field advantage all the way up to the semis and maybe that's pushing it. The top bowls would rotate yearly for the rights to host the final 3 games. All other bowls would go on as usual with invites going out to non-playoff teams.
 
dressedcheeseside said:
In a 16 team playoff, the final two teams will play 16 total games if they play in a conference championship game. (12 reg season games + CCG + 4 playoff games including NC game) Are you in favor of cutting back the regular season? The teams that don't make the playoffs won't be so hot for that idea.
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Yes I think you'll see a cut back on games and other movement such as the year has to end earlier, etc. I think bye weeks will be gone too. Money always drives the bus.
 
southendzoneBEE said:
The first 12-13 games of the season are a playoff game!!!
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Tell that to the NFL

Actually, your argument applies to the NFL moreso than CFB because each team has played a higher percentage of the teams in the league in the NFL than in CFB by the end of the regular season. Yet the NFL still has playoffs ... and everyone, including myself, loves it.
 
Legal Jacket said:
1) The NCAA CLEARLY gives a hoot about academics. It's why no bowl games or D-1 basketball games are scheduled during exams. Didn't you wonder last season why the team doesn't play any games between Dec 5 and Dec 14th? That's the exam period. BC not all schools are on the same schedule, you'll end up with much wider period where no games can be scheduled. In fact, its the NCAAs stated goal to “to manage academics by working to schedule bowl games no sooner than the third weekend in December.” There you go, at the earliest you'd start a bowl the third weekend in December (meaning the earliest you would start would be around the 16th or 17th).

I guess you could have a round of 32 then, a round of 16 around xmas, a round of 8 on NYD/NYE, semis on Jan 8, and finals on Jan 15. Seems too stretched out to be feasible imo, especially when factoring in competition with NFL playoffs.

I wasn't talking about logistics in terms of location, but instead in terms of time management.

I was speaking more before there's no chance low ranked teams get a shot to play. It's possible there is a 16 or 20 team playoff, but I think given the beating football puts on a college players body they won't want to extend the season that long. FCS schools don't have to contend with that as much bc their players are slower, softer, and weaker.

EDIT: Also logistics will come into play under your proposal. If you are using NFL stadiums you are going to have to work around their schedule. Some may not want college games the day before a major playoff game, particularly on a real grass surface.
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I just think you are missing the point about playoffs. I don't see playoffs coming at all unless there is a major dam break, as in successful legal action or an NCAA brokered internal deal.

In both scenarios, the playoffs will ultimately include every D1A conference champion and because of that, will also include a few at larges (maybe every BCS gets an at large too).

I find it funny that the NCAA won't allow bowl games until late December, but allows Div 1AA to play playoffs throughout December. What's the difference? A school is a school just like a football player is a football player. It's the same encumbrance on a program/individual. You watch, when the dam breaks this will be a non issue.

As to stadiums, they matter but that won't be much of an issue. I think there are plenty of stadiums to choose from and with advanced booking there wouldn't be an issue.

As to travel, yes, it would be difficult and only the major programs would sell their allotment. But I think the games would sell out with no problem at all, particularly if you put the games in most schools general locale, a la baseball.
 
Diseqc said:
This doesn't get around the current antitrust lawsuit issues. If the big 6 are guaranteed entry, then you can bet the smaller conferences are going to complain.
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You could pick the champion of the top 5 or 6 rated conferences.
 
dressedcheeseside said:
Why not construct a playoff out of simply the top 8 as determined by the current BCS poll? (or top 10 with two "play-in" games.)
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Because the BCS poll is crap and will reward multiple SEC/B10 teams who benefit from halo bias.

Find a way to get to 8 conference champions. If you can't win your conference, you shouldn't be considered the national champ equation in a small field tournament.
 
midatlantech said:
I just think you are missing the point about playoffs. I don't see playoffs coming at all unless there is a major dam break, as in successful legal action or an NCAA brokered internal deal.

In both scenarios, the playoffs will ultimately include every D1A conference champion and because of that, will also include a few at larges (maybe every BCS gets an at large too).

I find it funny that the NCAA won't allow bowl games until late December, but allows Div 1AA to play playoffs throughout December. What's the difference? A school is a school just like a football player is a football player. It's the same encumbrance on a program/individual. You watch, when the dam breaks this will be a non issue.

As to stadiums, they matter but that won't be much of an issue. I think there are plenty of stadiums to choose from and with advanced booking there wouldn't be an issue.

As to travel, yes, it would be difficult and only the major programs would sell their allotment. But I think the games would sell out with no problem at all, particularly if you put the games in most schools general locale, a la baseball.
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I think even with a dam break and massive flooding you are still looking at only a four (an "and one" game) or eight team playoff.

A 16 or 32 team playoff would be the equivalent of the Hoover Dam busting open. It would be incredibly cool (especially a 32 team playoff bc we could/should be in the running every year) but pretty difficult to pull off.

I think much more likely is am 8 teamer that plays one game on NYD, one on Jan 8 (or the saturday more than a week later), and the championship on the 17th (or whatever that Monday is).
 
stinger78 said:
Because the BCS poll is crap and will reward multiple SEC/B10 teams who benefit from halo bias.

Find a way to get to 8 conference champions. If you can't win your conference, you shouldn't be considered the national champ equation in a small field tournament.
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As much as I'd like to see ND get screwed bc they aren't in a conference, the playoff would never just be conference champions as long as they aren't affiliated.

Undefeateds + Conference Champs in Top 15-20 + Top ranked teams (to fill out). Could also do conference champs with 2 losses or less.

Teams shouldn't be rewarded bc they are in the SEC, but a 4 loss conference champion shouldn't get in either.
 
Legal Jacket said:
As much as I'd like to see ND get screwed bc they aren't in a conference, the playoff would never just be conference champions as long as they aren't affiliated.

Undefeateds + Conference Champs in Top 15-20 + Top ranked teams (to fill out). Could also do conference champs with 2 losses or less.

Teams shouldn't be rewarded bc they are in the SEC, but a 4 loss conference champion shouldn't get in either.
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Check my post above to see the inclusion of every FBS conference and the top independent. It can be done.

http://www.stingtalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=795387&postcount=64

How many deserving MLB teams are left out each year because an undeserving division champ gets in? How many times does an undeserving conference champ already go to the BCS instead of a more deserving team?

Happens already, quite often.
 
A 4 or 8 team playoff is all the system could support.
 
This past season was the first one for FCS with an expanded playoff selection. I can't remember how many teams can make it, but I definitely know it's more than 8. I think it's 24 teams now? I'm sure paintballer or someone more knowledgeable than I can say for sure. It runs smoothly and fairly. FBS should either duplicate that or at least use it as a basis.
 
stinger78 said:
Because the BCS poll is crap and will reward multiple SEC/B10 teams who benefit from halo bias.

Find a way to get to 8 conference champions. If you can't win your conference, you shouldn't be considered the national champ equation in a small field tournament.
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I already did. The nine FBS conference champions + 1 independent "champion" = 10 "champions." Have the bottom 4 seeded champions play in a "play-in" round while the top 6 get a bye in week 1. This will get you to 8.
 
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