Yukonwreck
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The most important factor supporting his selection is that he digs the hell out of Big Boi!!!!!
Why we don't need Chris Hatcher at GT...
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GoldZ
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goldmember, take a guess at what the SAT gap is for GT vs ugag football signees. If your guess (since that's all we have to go by) is say a hundred points (conservative guess), then yes there is a hell of a difference in size of talent pool available. I've tried to get "knowledgeable" (football wise that is) uggers to bet some serious $ with me, that when and if the numbers are ever published, there is at least a 100 point diff.....no takers.
GTDad
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I'm not an expert and I won't pretend to be. I'm just a fan. I spent a lot of time yesterday looking around at all the candidates that are being mentioned, and after all that my top 2 candidates are Hatcher and Muschamp (in that order). That is, of course, assuming we really couldn't get Spurrier 
When I listened to what Radakovich said yesterday it seemed to me that he was describing Hatcher.
Hatcher is a winner. It's not just that he has won everywhere he's ever been or that he has a great W-L record. He just carries himself like a winner and he acts like one. You can tell that he lives and breathes football. He would be a great representative of the Institute. Hard evidence notwithstanding, he just seems like one of those guys that players will kill themselves for. I had a coach like him in HS and I just wanted to win for him.
Muschamp seems to me to have the same qualities as Hatcher but in less quantity. The fact that he's a UGAg grad doesn't bother me.
Either of them is a win to me.
Check out this video to get a feel for him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJTIfdBiLFo
GO JACKETS!!!
When I listened to what Radakovich said yesterday it seemed to me that he was describing Hatcher.
Hatcher is a winner. It's not just that he has won everywhere he's ever been or that he has a great W-L record. He just carries himself like a winner and he acts like one. You can tell that he lives and breathes football. He would be a great representative of the Institute. Hard evidence notwithstanding, he just seems like one of those guys that players will kill themselves for. I had a coach like him in HS and I just wanted to win for him.
Muschamp seems to me to have the same qualities as Hatcher but in less quantity. The fact that he's a UGAg grad doesn't bother me.
Either of them is a win to me.
Check out this video to get a feel for him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJTIfdBiLFo
GO JACKETS!!!
GTCrew
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Experience is overrated. I believe that intelligence and work ethic separate the good from the mediocre. The only other intangible I could hope for is an eye for talent.
The reason I firmly believe that experience is overrated is that the retreads or college promotions to the NFL generally do poorly while YOUNG (~35 yo) coordinators seem to do best lately.
Promotions from lower leagues seem rare. I think Tressel was a 'promotion'. If Hatcher can bring up his key staff, which should be very likely, we could have a real winner.
Coordinators seem like a real crapshoot. Sometimes they start strong and fade with their own players. Once in a while they rebuild pretty good. But most of them seem to crash and burn start to finish. This is odd considering the pro trend, but pro coaches don't necessarily have to be good at Xs and Os and good at recognizing talent and good at developing players.
Therefore I think our first choice should be a young winning head coach from a school where we will be able to pay well below average and get all of the coach's key assistants.
Hatcher fits, but there have to be a few other candidates.
The reason I firmly believe that experience is overrated is that the retreads or college promotions to the NFL generally do poorly while YOUNG (~35 yo) coordinators seem to do best lately.
Promotions from lower leagues seem rare. I think Tressel was a 'promotion'. If Hatcher can bring up his key staff, which should be very likely, we could have a real winner.
Coordinators seem like a real crapshoot. Sometimes they start strong and fade with their own players. Once in a while they rebuild pretty good. But most of them seem to crash and burn start to finish. This is odd considering the pro trend, but pro coaches don't necessarily have to be good at Xs and Os and good at recognizing talent and good at developing players.
Therefore I think our first choice should be a young winning head coach from a school where we will be able to pay well below average and get all of the coach's key assistants.
Hatcher fits, but there have to be a few other candidates.
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I don't know what the difference is but I am sure there is one and it is not in our favor. My point is the PROCESSS is the same. You recruit and coach. We aren't bringing in guest speakers from the physics department while other schools are taking recruits to strip clubs.
Hatcher has everything we're looking for except experience at the D1 head coaching level and in my opinion, should be at the top of the list of candidates.
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I am curious on experience? Every head coach had to get his first job somehwere. Duke got Spurrier, Utah got Meyer, Oklahoma got Stoopes, Ugag got Richt, Tech got O'Leary, Maryland got the Fridge, Vt got Beamer, WV got RickRod, and I could go on and on.
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One thing I have noticed both here and on the Hive is that whenever anyone slams Hatcher as a candidate there are at least 4 people that answer with strong support for him.
With Muschamp, the opposite is happening. Every time someone strongly supports him there are at least 4+ people that don't want him because he's a dawg or candidate X is better.
Personally, I don't think that Hatcher or Muschamp are our A-listers, but they might be the most likely candidates especially if we want a quick decision.
With Muschamp, the opposite is happening. Every time someone strongly supports him there are at least 4+ people that don't want him because he's a dawg or candidate X is better.
Personally, I don't think that Hatcher or Muschamp are our A-listers, but they might be the most likely candidates especially if we want a quick decision.
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Your post is a little archaic...
but, to my observations, there is a difference between leading a program and being a coordinator. Lots of coaches have the skills to be a great coordinator but few have the skills to be a succussful leader IMHO.
Obviously many coordinators make great HCs. You have an impressive list. I could put up a spectacular list of failures with little effort. I don't have any examples of successful Div II HCs who crashed and burned at in the big leagues. Of course the list of successes may be shorter also. Perhaps for a reason...
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Bothers me, tremendously. Obviously, I don't think he'd try to throw the game against 'em or anything, but I personally want someone who will develop the disdain for Georgia the rest of us have.
Spurrier would qualify don't you think? I don't want him BUT... it would be an interesting tandem(him and Tenuta) and us GT faithful would certainly get behind him, especially around thanksgiving!! His disdain for Georgia would be a common bond we could all identify with.
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To me the big difference academically is the limited curriculum. It is something you MUST deal with. First you have to make sure that the kids we recruit can hack the entrance requirements and have the ability to stay eligible at GT. So that does thin out the ranks a bit but not so much that you can't assemble a top notch class. There are plenty of kids out there who have the smarts, you just have to be good at identifying them which I think we have been doing much better over the last couple of years. So now that you have your pool of recruits who can deal with the academics you have to find the ones that are interested in pursuing one of the relatively few majors we offer at GT. To me that is the bigger academic challenge in recruiting, but then again I'm not an insider or anything so I could be totally off.
The bottom line is that there are indeed some differences in the way you have to approach recruiting because of the academic challenges imposed by being GT and the programs we offer. But they aren't insurmountable, just things you have to take into account in your planning and strategy for recruiting.
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Seriously? Your first ever post is going to be that on the 4th page of a thread about Chris Hatcher?
Back to topic....I like Hatcher and I think something no one has really mentioned yet is that our recruiting in the GSU area has been terrible and he could give that a much needed bump.
I vote no for Muschamp...I too, don't think he will throw the game, but these players hate UGA and probably won't want to play as hard for a UGA man.
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Just FYI, Urban Meyer was the head coach at Bowling Green for two years before Utah hired him. Prior to BGSU he had 13 years as an asst and went directly from coaching WRs at Notre Dame to being the head coach at BGSU where he promptly engineered an 8-3 season which wasn't bad considering the previous season was 2-9. He went 9-3 in his second season and was then hired by Utah.
Beamer was head coach at Murray State for 6 years before getting the HC gig at VPI&SU.
But your point is well taken in that sometimes it can be a very good move to give an unproven commodity (coordinator or even a head coach in a lower division) a chance to be a head coach at the highest level.
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Dusty Bonner comes to mind at VSU, I think he transferred from Kentucky (?) and ended up breaking a lot of Hatcher's own records at VSU.