Wide open slot receiver all night

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Was usually brad stewart... Pj too hard headed to throw the ball even though he was literally not covered at all.. It was a free td on numerous occasions
 
Lots of times, he wasn't an eligible receiver - 2 A-backs, a QB, and a B-Back in the backfield and Stewart was covered by the WR.

I don't know what the point of the formation is - I guess hoping they'll "waste" a guy to cover him. He had no one to block out there at all.
 
Fredge said:
Lots of times, he wasn't an eligible receiver - 2 A-backs, a QB, and a B-Back in the backfield and Stewart was covered by the WR.

I don't know what the point of the formation is - I guess hoping they'll "waste" a guy to cover him. He had no one to block out there at all.
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I didn't notice his position relative to the LOS. That would an extremely heads up play by UNC then.
 
gt2690b said:
Was usually brad stewart... Pj too hard headed to throw the ball even though he was literally not covered at all.. It was a free td on numerous occasions
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I heard a million people in my section yelling this. This just isn't true. They had an OLB in the throwing lane if JT made a quick throw. If he swings it out to him, the CB makes a tackle (if he was an eligible receiver in the first place). UNC wasn't daring us to score a TD and PJ isn't too stubborn to just say "nah, I don't want a TD." Ridiculous.
 
How is Brad Stewart an ineligible receiver? Need screenshot of formation. Also, when did we have a slot receiver other than a-backs?
 
gtphd said:
How is Brad Stewart an ineligible receiver? Need screenshot of formation. Also, when did we have a slot receiver other than a-backs?
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If the outside receiver is on the line of scrimmage, anyone to the inside (also on the LOS) is ineligible.

The WR can't step off the LOS because we already have 4 in the backfield (AB, AB, BB, QB),
If one of the AB's step up, then the WR can step back and the slot man is eligible. Maybe we're setting that up for another game.

To be quite honest, I didn't realize he was ineligible during the game and couldn't understand why we weren't throwing it. But looking at the replay, that's the deal.
 
gtphd said:
How is Brad Stewart an ineligible receiver? Need screenshot of formation. Also, when did we have a slot receiver other than a-backs?
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When we line up in twins formation we have 2 WRs on the same side of the formation, both on the line. In that formation, the eligible receivers are the backs (those not on the line of scrimmage at the snap) and the two end players, which are the wide WR and the offensive tackle on the opposite side of the field.

In this image:

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...the eligible receivers are the following:

9
21
20
24
84
75

The rule is "backs and people on the end of the line."

Note: I have still not yet seen the game. Yesterday was my son's fourth birthday and we watched Star Wars with him for the first time. I appear to have made the appropriate decision.
 
Fredge said:
If the outside receiver is on the line of scrimmage, anyone to the inside (also on the LOS) is ineligible.

The WR can't step off the LOS because we already have 4 in the backfield (AB, AB, BB, QB),
If one of the AB's step up, then the WR can step back and the slot man is eligible. Maybe we're setting that up for another game.

To be quite honest, I didn't realize he was ineligible during the game and couldn't understand why we weren't throwing it. But looking at the replay, that's the deal.
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When did we do that, and why wouldn't we just have the a back step up to the line and drop the slot WR into the backfield?
 
gtphd said:
When did we do that, and why wouldn't we just have the a back step up to the line and drop the slot WR into the backfield?
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We lined up like that at least a dozen times; they left the slot man (usually Stewart, a few times Juene or Messick) uncovered every time.

Maybe CPJ will discuss it tomorrow night. I assume the slot guy is supposed to block a S or LB.
 
So strategically, what you're supposed to do out of Twins in theory is:

1) run the ball to the field side and gain extra blockers if you have a numbers advantage there,

2) if they counter your numbers advantage by flooding the field, then you run to the boundary and have less people to block. I see CPJ do this a lot when he doesn't trust his WRs to block, he'll use them as decoys and then run where there's fewer defenders. I'm guessing that was a big part of his game plan yesterday since our perimeter blocking sucks donkey cock,

3) if they leave the guy completely uncovered, and you want to pass, then you can use presnap motion to make the slot eligible. He can take a step back off the line and one of the ABs can step up onto the line. If #20 does so in the image above, he then becomes ineligible, basically another blocker. If #24 steps up onto the line, he stays an eligible receiver and 75 is no longer eligible. That very simple presnap motion has to be adjusted to by the defense, because it changes who's eligible to catch passes quite a bit.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, because I may be, but I think the slot receiver may still be eligible to catch screen passes out of Twins. Anyone confirm or deny that? I'm not sure.

So that's the theory. As I say, I didn't watch the game so I don't know what CPJ ran out of it.
 
gtphd said:
When did we do that, and why wouldn't we just have the a back step up to the line and drop the slot WR into the backfield?
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Did you not watch the game? We lined up in that formation frequently, sometimes with a WR (Stewart, maybe others) and sometimes with an AB (Lynch) in the slot.

One assumes that if we'd changed the formation to make the slot receiver eligible, UNC would have rotated somebody over to cover him.

JRjr
 
It is all a moot point until we can actually make that pass


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We can't pass for öööö so it doesn't matter. Even the passes that were thrown and caught were thrown into traffic and took great catches.

I don't know what kind of block in in Thomas' head right now. He seems to trust no one on the team. Lands-Davis seemed to have a good game, but I don't know final stats. Nobody blocked. Our center and guards cannot block. On one replay, I watched two UNC DT's immediately run past our OL at the snap. Sure it happened more than once. Teams are gonna play us knowing the dead center of our line is weak.

Also, on several of our option plays, if the WR makes a block and doesn't whiff, they go for big yardage. Just missing blocks big time all over the field.

And on a goal line situation, give it to the 240 lb back please.
 
vapspwi said:
Did you not watch the game? We lined up in that formation frequently, sometimes with a WR (Stewart, maybe others) and sometimes with an AB (Lynch) in the slot.

One assumes that if we'd changed the formation to make the slot receiver eligible, UNC would have rotated somebody over to cover him.

JRjr
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One assumes that no matter what we do, the defense will do something to counter it.
 
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