Wide open slot receiver all night

[Akinji07]

Does Justin trust himself to fumble when we're up and about to put the game away in the fourth quarter and then subsequently lose the game?

Because he did that same öööö against uga last year too and were it not for the last second heroics we would have had a different ending to the Cinderella story.

 

[vapspwi]

One assumes that no matter what we do, the defense will do something to counter it.

Yes, that's the point. All these "we had a guy uncovered" posts are pointless (he was ineligible), as is the assumption that if we'd made him eligible, he'd have still been uncovered. It seems like both the GT and UNC staffs knew what they were doing in this situation.

JRjr

 

[WracerX]

Have the WR block and the ineligible receiver drop back to receive the bubble screen 'lateral' or the other way. Bubble screen because you have 2 on 1.

 

[JJacket]

Does Justin trust himself to fumble when we're up and about to put the game away in the fourth quarter and then subsequently lose the game?

Because he did that same öööö against uga last year too and were it not for the last second heroics we would have had a different ending to the Cinderella story.

Funny how you just can see the train wreck coming. It is almost as if you could have predicted that fumble. It is what we do.

 

[JJacket]

Yes, that's the point. All these "we had a guy uncovered" posts are pointless (he was ineligible), as is the assumption that if we'd made him eligible, he'd have still been uncovered. It seems like both the GT and UNC staffs knew what they were doing in this situation.

JRjr

The ineligible receiver seemed to never have a job other than running in towards the play. Most of the time, there was no one to block. Useless.

 

[Diseqc]

PJ isn't too stubborn to just say "nah, I don't want a TD." Ridiculous.

Yes. Yes he is.

He is very much of the mindset that we're going to do it "our way". His offense works against any kind of defense, just ask him. He'll tell you. If a play doesn't work, it's always someone on the field that messed up never his play calling.

Running a QB follow on the goal line twice when UNC knows it is coming was some of the dumbest play calling yet. It had predictable results.

 

[JJacket]

Yes. Yes he is.

He is very much of the mindset that we're going to do it "our way". His offense works against any kind of defense, just ask him. He'll tell you. If a play doesn't work, it's always someone on the field that messed up never his play calling.

Running a QB follow on the goal line twice when UNC knows it is coming was some of the dumbest play calling yet. It had predictable results.

It was actually 3 times we ran the QB Duck on the goal line. The reviewed TD earlier was sooooooo close and could have gone the other way. Probably wouldn't have been overturned if it had been ruled down outside the goal line. We need to trust the mass and strong legs of Skov in those situations.

 

[33jacket]

I didn't notice his position relative to the LOS. That would an extremely heads up play by UNC then.

this is something I brought up years ago...about the ineligible slot receiver.

CPJ does this to take advantage of kids or DC's who don't know the rules. Typically it makes a DB flash out to the side.

Chizik was smart enough to recognize and stack the box when this happens

Pauls offense, when this happens, needs the wide WR to step back into the backfield and step the slot guy to the LOS. If the D doesnt' adjust, then we have a wide open WR that is eligible. We didn't appear to do this once.

not sure why. We need to force the D abit more that we do in the passing game. Even if we still run it...making this easy shift...makes him eligible and widens the D back out.

but this goes back to a very simple passing game that we employ. It is not complex, very little motion, very little formation motion. We line up and snap. Very rare, if ever, does a WR move, shift, go in motion to try to create angles and matchups...

 

[WracerX]

I don't like following Devine on those goal line situations. I know he is our biggest lineman, but he is too tall to get leverage when everyone is playing low. I would prefer they have someone like Joe at guard to follow (heavy and short). And if it is less than 1, don't follow the BBack, just lunge forward (g-c-g push).

 

[coit]

When we line up in twins formation we have 2 WRs on the same side of the formation, both on the line. In that formation, the eligible receivers are the backs (those not on the line of scrimmage at the snap) and the two end players, which are the wide WR and the offensive tackle on the opposite side of the field.

In this image:

...the eligible receivers are the following:

9
21
20
24
84
75

The rule is "backs and people on the end of the line."

Note: I have still not yet seen the game. Yesterday was my son's fourth birthday and we watched Star Wars with him for the first time. I appear to have made the appropriate decision.

This bears posting again. This is exactly the formation, and yeah UNC didn't bite on it at all. I think Fredge and others have mentioned that.

It does give us another blocker on the edge if we are planning to get out wide though.

In some cases we would bring the AB up on the LOS, and drop Stewart back into the slot. They would cover in that situation.

 

[beej67]

For what it's worth, if I was a high school coach I would run flexbone twins as my primary formation, but I wouldn't do any of the complicated blocking stuff GT does out of it. I'd run a classic Power I offense with the slot motion into the I presnap, and I'd do the Eligible Receiver Juggle explained above in post 14 as the basis of my passing game. All my blocking would be zone or power, to keep it simple.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

It was actually 3 times we ran the QB Duck on the goal line. The reviewed TD earlier was sooooooo close and could have gone the other way. Probably wouldn't have been overturned if it had been ruled down outside the goal line. We need to trust the mass and strong legs of Skov in those situations.

Exactly - it was 3 QB Ducks, all of 'em stuffed.

CPJ is the most predictable coach in college football. His play calling is a hindrance to victory. Our OL must succeed in spite of DCs knowing exactly what we're going to run.

 

[00Burdell]

The reason we run that formation is to make UNC "bite" and put a man on Stewart. We burn UGa on that all the time. But, when UNC didn't take the bait, we should have stopped doing it.

 

[The Champ]

When we line up in twins formation we have 2 WRs on the same side of the formation, both on the line. In that formation, the eligible receivers are the backs (those not on the line of scrimmage at the snap) and the two end players, which are the wide WR and the offensive tackle on the opposite side of the field.

In this image:

...the eligible receivers are the following:

9
21
20
24
84
75

The rule is "backs and people on the end of the line."

Note: I have still not yet seen the game. Yesterday was my son's fourth birthday and we watched Star Wars with him for the first time. I appear to have made the appropriate decision.

Correct other than 75 being eligible. Players numbered 50-79 are never eligible receivers.

 

[beej67]

Correct other than 75 being eligible. Players numbered 50-79 are never eligible receivers.

We've run a tackle eligible screen twice that I can recall under CPJ. One was vs UGA in 2008, and the other was a few years later, I think vs UNC but I'm not positive. I'm not sure what sort of legal chicanery we had to pull to run the play, but we've definitely run the play.

Is there any rule against just having both OTs take a number outside the range?

 

[eg1]

Correct other than 75 being eligible. Players numbered 50-79 are never eligible receivers.

Can't they if reported to the referee as such?

 

[floridajacket]

Exactly - it was 3 QB Ducks, all of 'em stuffed.

CPJ is the most predictable coach in college football. His play calling is a hindrance to victory. Our OL must succeed in spite of DCs knowing exactly what we're going to run.

It's funny how quickly CPJ's play-calling goes from great to terrible when the execution goes downhill.

Blaming "play-calling" is usually a pretty good indicator somebody doesn't know what they're talking about. For one thing, being forced to go no-huddle and start many AB's and WR's down the depth chart will make the calling more "predictable." Last year's OB had some really new types of motion and options, with seniors filling the two-deep at BB, AB and WR.

But even many of those so-called predictable calls failed due to execution. The lack of execution can be blamed on CPJ's recruiting for what would be Jr.-Sr. classes today. Or just be blamed on being very unlucky as far as injuries.

 

[johncu]

It's funny how quickly CPJ's play-calling goes from great to terrible when the execution goes downhill.

Blaming "play-calling" is usually a pretty good indicator somebody doesn't know what they're talking about. For one thing, being forced to go no-huddle and start many AB's and WR's down the depth chart will make the calling more "predictable." Last year's OB had some really new types of motion and options, with seniors filling the two-deep at BB, AB and WR.

But even many of those so-called predictable calls failed due to execution. The lack of execution can be blamed on CPJ's recruiting for what would be Jr.-Sr. classes today. Or just be blamed on being very unlucky as far as injuries.

 

[floridajacket]

Can't they if reported to the referee as such?

Apparently not, unless it's an interpretation contrary to the rules. The rules do not allow any player wearing 50-79 to be eligible, regardless of position.

For beej's formation, 84 is the only "linemen" who would be an eligible receiver. The NCAA defines "Team A" receivers who would be eligible:

1. Any back not wearing 50-79, i.e. not lined up on the line.

2. Any player line up on the line, on the end, AND not wearing 50-79.

So at the college level, there's only six eligible receivers. I haven't read all of the debate in this thread, but I would assume whatever the formation, Brad Stewart was eligible.

The "wide-open slot receiver" misses something big: we had MANY plays where the receiver was open and JT threw to them. But either JT overthrew or the inexperienced receiver couldn't make a catch. It seems like THE big thing that can kill this offense is WR drops. Waller's drops were a big part in the 2012 or 2013 VT loss, IIRC. In the Kansas State loss, Snyder blitzed the corners and we still couldn't connect.

 

[The Champ]

We've run a tackle eligible screen twice that I can recall under CPJ. One was vs UGA in 2008, and the other was a few years later, I think vs UNC but I'm not positive. I'm not sure what sort of legal chicanery we had to pull to run the play, but we've definitely run the play.

Is there any rule against just having both OTs take a number outside the range?

08 play was a lateral to Barrick. You can lateral to anyone, you can only throw a forward pass to an eligible receiver.