With his size what position could

haha...he could have set packges when he comes in and passes the way nesbitt has his run plays.
 
As much as people talk up Nesbitt and talk down Bennett, I think Booker might actually end up with the starting job.
 
clapper said:
As much as people talk up Nesbitt and talk down Bennett, I think Booker might actually end up with the starting job.
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I agree. I thought he moved pretty well. If he can shed some pounds (which shouldn't be a problem) I think he can run well enough to be the starter. So far he makes better decisions and throwa than any of our other QBs.
 
I got the distinct impression that that bowl game was just a preseason game to spread the ball around so that Johnson could watch everybody in a game situation.

I was impressed with the fight by the offense to come back with Bennett and Choice on the sideline. That's a good sign for me.

I was also amazed to see Booker trying to execute a little read option. Maybe Tenuta liked him and wanted to get a little exposure for him.
 
Wreck02 said:
I agree. I thought he moved pretty well. If he can shed some pounds (which shouldn't be a problem) I think he can run well enough to be the starter. So far he makes better decisions and throwa than any of our other QBs.
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What he said. Booker needs to hit the track, hit the weights and lose about 15 lbs.
 
clapper said:
As much as people talk up Nesbitt and talk down Bennett, I think Booker might actually end up with the starting job.
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I dont think 4.8 on the 40 will cut it for the triple o.
 
clapper said:
As much as people talk up Nesbitt and talk down Bennett, I think Booker might actually end up with the starting job.
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why waste a year getting booker caught up to speed on a new offense when he is a senior?

I wouldn't

Nesbitt will get the job and if booker is better the most time he sees IMO is 50% of the time.
 
33jacket said:
why waste a year getting booker caught up to speed on a new offense when he is a senior?

I wouldn't

Nesbitt will get the job and if booker is better the most time he sees IMO is 50% of the time.
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Again, 33 nails it. Unfortunately for Booker, this is the reality of the situation. Nesbitt will start next year. It would amaze me if anyone else is running PJ's offense.

However, on a side note, I don't think PJ's offense has a huge learning curve behind it.
 
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Again, 33 nails it. Unfortunately for Booker, this is the reality of the situation. Nesbitt will start next year. It would amaze me if anyone else is running PJ's offense.

However, on a side note, I don't think PJ's offense has a huge learning curve behind it.
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I'm not so sure. If your offense isn't all on the same page to start the season, would you rather have a semi-experienced senior getting beat to hell, or the kid you might be throwing in with the following two years after everything is clicking and he's had time in practice to figure it out?

And I hate to run the kid down, but not everyone is a rocket surgeon. I still think there has to be a reason that his play package was so limited this year. Yes, he certainly appears to have the physical skills that would let him excell and I hope he does. But there's more to any offense than just running fast.

Somebody said that Booker's 4.8 speed would keep him from playing, but he won't need to be any faster if he makes the correct decisions at the line.
 
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However, on a side note, I don't think PJ's offense has a huge learning curve behind it.
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It doesn't from a standpoint of knowing what to do. The learning curve is the execution not the plays.

There will be a learning curve on QUICK decision making post snap, and a learning curve on the execution side....that is where the complexity is.

This is the type of offense you need reps on more than book study. I expect the offense to improve week by week year by year. If PJ does grow his book, then it will be both mental and execution.
 
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I'm not so sure. If your offense isn't all on the same page to start the season, would you rather have a semi-experienced senior getting beat to hell, or the kid you might be throwing in with the following two years after everything is clicking and he's had time in practice to figure it out?

And I hate to run the kid down, but not everyone is a rocket surgeon. I still think there has to be a reason that his play package was so limited this year. Yes, he certainly appears to have the physical skills that would let him excell and I hope he does. But there's more to any offense than just running fast.

Somebody said that Booker's 4.8 speed would keep him from playing, but he won't need to be any faster if he makes the correct decisions at the line.
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Clapper, if Nesbitt was as dumb as a box of rocks, he could learn the 3-0 PJ runs. The issue with PJ's offense is execution not remembering the plays. Chan also held JN back b/c he feels you have to bring QB's along so slow, your hair turns grey. I disagree and say you need to throw them into the fire, let them make occasional mistakes that is how they learn. Plus Chan's offense was so basic....I doubt JN had trouble learning it. Lets put it this way..if u believe the TB was injured thing fine...but I don't...and he got benched...that tells you what the staff thought of gaileys choice on personnel. Same reason Clark was moved back to WR...that also tells you what they thought of his personnel decisions.

PJ's offense is basic as well...but u need reps more than learning reads to execute it....So wasting time on a Senior who has NEVER run the 3-0; is pointless. Booker brings zero experience to PJ's offense...as much as JN does...but at least JN is a scrambler and is young.

Booker also has never had live action more than this past bowl game in 4 years of playing football. JN has had just as much over the year.

PJ's offense can get complex if he chooses too...but he doesn't need to, to run it well enough in the early going.

I may be wrong...and thats fine...PJ may realize that he can't run the 3-0 and decide to run one year of a more base offense and use booker or bennett. I am fine with whatever he does. But if PJ does run the 3-0...then JN will be his guy....or he may even do a split time thing!!!
 
I would be very surprised to not see the majority of the PT next year go to Nesbitt or Jaybo, but I do still maintain that unlike the shotgun spread, speed is not a requirement at QB in this system, good decision making is, and I expect whoever figures out how to make the best run-reads will get the start. And I'm not convinced that won't be Booker or Bennett.
 
beej67 said:
I would be very surprised to not see the majority of the PT next year go to Nesbitt or Jaybo, but I do still maintain that unlike the shotgun spread, speed is not a requirement at QB in this system, good decision making is, and I expect whoever figures out how to make the best run-reads will get the start. And I'm not convinced that won't be Booker or Bennett.
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Not completely true...yes decision making is big, and speed isn't the end all...but shiftiness IS A requirement and booker doesn't have it.

True you don't need to run a 4.4 40; but you do need to run a 4.55 and a 4.2 shuttle!

you can't have a 3-0 QB be successful if he isn't quick. Just not gonna happen...these guys constantly run off tackle on the edge and juke either a S, LB or CB to get yardage...you need to be fleet of foot!!!
 
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And I hate to run the kid down, but not everyone is a rocket surgeon. I still think there has to be a reason that his play package was so limited this year. Yes, he certainly appears to have the physical skills that would let him excell and I hope he does. But there's more to any offense than just running fast.
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Why? It's entirely in line with his past actions to think that Chan decided Nesbitt was the "change of pace" QB so he didn't bother to let him have reps in the regular package. He repeatedly said that if TB was injured Booker was the #2, so it wouldn't make sense that he let Nesbitt run the base offense in practice. I mean, how many guys can you get reps for? I will give JN the benefit of the doubt until he proves me wrong.
 
I agree with you on the repitition part, 33. ANd that's why I think Booker (or Bennett, maybe even both) may be thrown into the fire next year, instead of Nesbitt. If all 11 guys aren't on the same page, the QB is going to get absolutely killed. If CPJ isn't convinced he has the right personnel this first season, he might not risk Booker's health. We could even see a redshirt in his future.

And just throwing this out there, but what about Kyle Manley? Granted, Buford didn't exactly run a 3-O, but it was extremely run oriented and he still managed to throw for 1,000+ yards & 10+ TDs per year.
 
ncjacket said:
Why? It's entirely in line with his past actions to think that Chan decided Nesbitt was the "change of pace" QB so he didn't bother to let him have reps in the regular package. He repeatedly said that if TB was injured Booker was the #2, so it wouldn't make sense that he let Nesbitt run the base offense in practice. I mean, how many guys can you get reps for? I will give JN the benefit of the doubt until he proves me wrong.
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No, it isn't in line with his past actions. Chan named Ball the starter as a true freshman over an incumbent starter. Maybe Ball had a limited play package to run, but it was never even close to what we saw from Nesbitt.

I'm willing to give JN the benefit of the doubt too. I've already said the I hope he succeeds. It's everyone else here that has already annointed him the starter months before they even take the field for spring practice that I question. There are reasons that JN didn't beat out TB (or even Booker) when other QBs under Chan have done exactly that. To assume he has the maturity, skills, and intelligence to step in over two seniors and a junior (not to mention an incoming freshman), while learning a brand new system under a demanding coach is extremely presumptuous.
 
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There are reasons that JN didn't beat out TB (or even Booker) when other QBs under Chan have done exactly that. To assume he has the maturity, skills, and intelligence to step in over two seniors and a junior (not to mention an incoming freshman), while learning a brand new system under a demanding coach is extremely presumptuous.
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None of those reasons, absolutely NONE apply to PJ or his system

I have talked to MANY SA's on CHAN's teams...and they all said TB and RB were his boys, his favorites and there was nothing anyone could do about it. THAT reason alone is a reason JN or Booker for that matter never got a chance. That reason alone is a reason nothing that happened in the past applies to the future...not to mention we are running a completely different system with completely different types of decisions to make, decisions JN made every time he ran the spread option (which he did....he had to choose to keep or hand off to the RB every play based on the DE movement). Decisions booker or tb never made through the year.

Folks, we aren't running a traditional O...the reads the QB needs to make are 180 from a pocket team...the rules don't apply anymore.

But I do agree this is presumptuous...we will all know more about PJ's intentions in spring.
 
You put him at B-Back and run his arse 'tween the tackles' ala David Sims. Defenses will LOVE it.

UP THE GUT!
 
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