Woeful Mismangement of a GREAT Receiver

ArchiTECH

ArchiTECH

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Great receivers are great because they catch passes. Obviously, they have to be thrown passes to catch passes. Rice, Owens, as well as the college great ones are known for CATCHING PASSES. So, even if they are double-secret, quad-covered SOMEHOW the coaches have enough confidences in their game plan to throw it to the GREAT receiver.

You can tell me all day long that Calvin was double covered, triple covered - and I simply can't believe Jerry Rice et al were never double covered. The point is you HAVE to get the ball to the greatest receiver in college football - you HAVE to. No excuses. The great ones are always double and triple covered and yet they are know as great receivers because the CATCH the ball - so, I may be naive, but I'm guesssing someone PASSED THEM THE BALL. Otherwise, why not just recruit the best decoy receiver in the United States.

I don't remember any of the GREATEST DECOY RECEIVERS in collge football. Besides, if that's the plan - it's not working. It is the coaching that lost us the game. What! - 2 pass attempts to the greatest receiver in college football? pfffsssst.

I know in my workplace, someone would lose their job for mismanaging critical resources - woefully mismanaging.
 
ArchiTECH said:
Great receivers are great because they catch passes. Obviously, they have to be thrown passes to catch passes. Rice, Owens, as well as the college great ones are known for CATCHING PASSES. So, even if they are double-secret, quad-covered SOMEHOW the coaches have enough confidences in their game plan to throw it to the GREAT receiver.

You can tell me all day long that Calvin was double covered, triple covered - and I simply can't believe Jerry Rice et al were never double covered. The point is you HAVE to get the ball to the greatest receiver in college football - you HAVE to. No excuses. The great ones are always double and triple covered and yet they are know as great receivers because the CATCH the ball - so, I may be naive, but I'm guesssing someone PASSED THEM THE BALL. Otherwise, why not just recruit the best decoy receiver in the United States.

I don't remember any of the GREATEST DECOY RECEIVERS in collge football. Besides, if that's the plan - it's not working. It is the coaching that lost us the game. What! - 2 pass attempts to the greatest receiver in college football? pfffsssst.

I know in my workplace, someone would lose their job for mismanaging critical resources - woefully mismanaging.
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you could not be more wrong. the plays and alignments were right...the decisions made just before the snap and just after the snap were poor. CJ was all over the field and lined up in about every spot there was to put him at. He cannot throw the ball to himself!..and the coaches cannot throw it to him either!
 
hiveredtech said:
you could not be more wrong. the plays and alignments were right...the decisions made just before the snap and just after the snap were poor. CJ was all over the field and lined up in about every spot there was to put him at. He cannot throw the ball to himself!..and the coaches cannot throw it to him either!
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Then it seems pretty hopeless, right? We line CJ up everywhere and no position even allows us to attempt a pass to him. Can't take a chance on even an attempt to the greatest receiver in college football. Anyway, how would the QB know he is double covered if the QB doesn't look?
 
Gotta agree with HiveredTech here. It was obvious the coaches were doing whatever it took to get Calvin different looks. We had a QB who Clemson made look like a freshman. Someone said it best in another thread. Reggie seemed to be focused on the dline so much he failed to see the receivers. Of course that will happen when your OLine cannot block.

Clemson had a fabulous game plan. I think offensively you could see we had a good gameplan that unfortunately couldn't be carried out. I like the multiple formations and motion. Of course it didn't work out, see above.

Defensively we got raped. Clemson's use of a no huddle running offense was simply genius to stifle our aggressive Defense. It kept us from lining up correctly and able to call the right plays. It also wore us down. It was just a matter of time before Clemson wore us down to pile up the yardage towards the end of the game.

Clemson just beat us in all aspects. Coaching. Preparation. Execution.
 
Damn, that's it!!! Throw the ball to Calvin!!! Why didn't we think of it sooner?

Listen, I guarantee you the coaches know they need to get him the ball. The problem is Reggie either makes the simple reads or nothing at all. He makes up his mind before the snap what he's going to do, unless of course he feels any pressure at all...then he runs.
 
ncjacket said:
Damn, that's it!!! Throw the ball to Calvin!!! Why didn't we think of it sooner?
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I get the irony, but having an idea doesn't make it a plan. Actually, I prefer the verb as to the idea - actually throw the ball to Calvin. Nobody said it would be easy, but as I stated in the intial post, great receivers make catches. Good coaches figure out how to get the ball to great receivers. If the plan is to reposition Calvin (move CJ to many, many exotic locations along the line - and then ignore him) then change schemes. Otherwise, we could say, "Boy that Jerry Rice - what a great receiver he probably could have been, but you know, getting the ball to the world's greatest receiver is just to hard."

You would be correct thinking, "I bet ArchiTECH would be clueless as to what to do" and you would be correct. But, I'm not the coach of a D1 football team with the greatest receiver in college football. If I were, I wouldn't last long - would I?
 
ncjacket said:
He makes up his mind before the snap what he's going to do, unless of course he feels any pressure at all...then he runs.
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All of the Sunday analysis is fun, but the truth begins and ends with the above statement.
This is what he has done for the last 3.5 years against good defenses that are playing well.
 
I agree that good plays were called probably most of the night. Execution of those plays by the QB most of the time, but not all of the time, receives a poor grade. Everybody has a bad game every now and then...Reggie for the most part had one last night.

Bennett should have been sent in earlier in the fourth qtr. and to do more than just running plays.
 
Choice had 15 rushes for 48 yards and Ball had 12 rushes for 8(!) yards, probably due to his injury.

Usually when teams like Georgia last year expend three quarters of their secondary to stopping Calvin, something else will give. But with the way our OL was handled and how Reggie couldn't rush the ball, Clemson gave us absolutely nothing.
 
BOR's got it mostly right, above.

Re: Coaching --

I don't think Nix was necessarily outcoached, personally, except that he should have benched Reggie after halftime. I wonder if Reggie campaigned heavily to play in the second half, or if the coaches just don't trust Bennett.

There have been a few times in football where Tenuta was significantly outcoached, and last night was definitely one of them. He has great schemes. He has great pre-game prep. He has great players. He has a great philosophy. I wouldn't trade him for any other DCs in football. HOWEVER, once someone figures out something to stop his scheme, he doesn't adjust. The two shining examples in my mind are Clemson this year, and VT the previous two.

Clemson this year just put 3 TEs on the field and ran up the middle. Blitzes don't help that. Expect to see UGA do that this year too, and quite possibly every other team we face. Both Clemson and VT (in previous years) went with shotgun, a TE, and 2 RBs when they passed, putting 2 in the pattern and max protecting.

Those are offensive alignments that nuke the Tenuta D. That's all Clemson ran last night, and it's nearly all VT ran last year and the year before. And the reason they nuke the Tenuta D is that Tenuta doesn't adjust, and decides the answer is just to blitz more. That's really dumb. Vs the power run, we need to play a 4-4 or a 5-3 and play base, gap assignment defense, and quit blitzing ourselves out of the play. Vs the shotgun max-protect, we need to rush with 3 and drop 8 into coverage.
 
beej67 said:
BOR's got it mostly right, above.

Re: Coaching --

I don't think Nix was necessarily outcoached, personally, except that he should have benched Reggie after halftime. I wonder if Reggie campaigned heavily to play in the second half, or if the coaches just don't trust Bennett.

There have been a few times in football where Tenuta was significantly outcoached, and last night was definitely one of them. He has great schemes. He has great pre-game prep. He has great players. He has a great philosophy. I wouldn't trade him for any other DCs in football. HOWEVER, once someone figures out something to stop his scheme, he doesn't adjust. The two shining examples in my mind are Clemson this year, and VT the previous two.

Clemson this year just put 3 TEs on the field and ran up the middle. Blitzes don't help that. Expect to see UGA do that this year too, and quite possibly every other team we face. Both Clemson and VT (in previous years) went with shotgun, a TE, and 2 RBs when they passed, putting 2 in the pattern and max protecting.

Those are offensive alignments that nuke the Tenuta D. That's all Clemson ran last night, and it's nearly all VT ran last year and the year before. And the reason they nuke the Tenuta D is that Tenuta doesn't adjust, and decides the answer is just to blitz more. That's really dumb. Vs the power run, we need to play a 4-4 or a 5-3 and play base, gap assignment defense, and quit blitzing ourselves out of the play. Vs the shotgun max-protect, we need to rush with 3 and drop 8 into coverage.
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good feedback.
 
Does or offense not call for checkdowns or hot routes? One time in the game, Calvin was being covered by a safety that was playing 15 yrds off him! Play call be damned, Reggie just need to yell "Go deep Big Fella!' and throw it up to CJ. They were give Calvin the slant all game long. ALL. GAME. LONG. I know we could have got the ball to him so how.
 
pocket_watch said:
All of the Sunday analysis is fun, but the truth begins and ends with the above statement.
This is what he has done for the last 3.5 years against good defenses that are playing well.
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So if Reggie was the problem why wouldn't we put someone else in for a series or two and see what happens? every other team does that but we never do. Look at Florida they have a great starting QB and they still use there freshmen for a change of pace.
 
I think it has a lot to do with Chan's NFL mindset. You stick with #1 QB no matter what and it bites you in the ass in college.
 
BarrelORum said:
I think it has a lot to do with Chan's NFL mindset. You stick with #1 QB no matter what and it bites you in the ass in college.
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BOR I am on you fire Chan bus for now on.:biggthumpup:
 
Haven't actually seen BOR talking about that lately have you? But just to humor you, you're seriously suggesting we fire a coach who has the team in first place in their division with a solid chance to make the championship game?
 
ncjacket said:
Haven't actually seen BOR talking about that lately have you? But just to humor you, you're seriously suggesting we fire a coach who has the team in first place in their division with a solid chance to make the championship game?
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Such talk belongs on BBBBuzzoff.
 
In response to your earlier post beej:

I think you've hit the nail right on the head about Tenuta. I wouldn't trade him for anyone, and we'd be completely screwed without him. But, he really doesn't make adjustments in games like Saturday's.

Another great example would be last year's Utah game. Utah killed us with three step drops and quick slant routes, effectively taking our blitz out of the game. But, we didn't adjust the D at all, and we kept getting beat.

However, I really think the O was the bigger problem against CU. By the end, the D was so worn out, it was hard to expect too much of them. I think the story would have been a lot different had the offense been able to prolong their own presence out there.

For those reasons, I don't think this was quite in the same category as VT and Utah.

It's extremely important that we bounce back in a big way. Let's pack Bobby Dodd on Saturday and show those Hurricanes what smash-mouth Yellow Jacket football can be like.

GO JACKETS!
 
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