Wrinkles or No Wrinkles?

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In his weekly media conference on Tuesday, CPJ said that the team did not run sweeps and did not use any new blocking schemes and did not employ any wrinkles in the victory over VT. We just ran something we've run before more frequently than we've run it before. (See video above.)

Yet during and after the game he was kind of proud of the wrinkles. And several VT personnel (Fuente, Foster, Walker) said they noticed the changes, too.

It's kind of weird that CPJ would be brushing off something he was pretty happy about before. I can't figure out why he would do that.

PS. Iron or non-iron? Linen is cool in the summer vs. year-round wool always looks fresh?
 
Looked similar to the qb follows we ran against usf. But I wouldn’t know if they changed up the blocking.
 
I would have to look back, but wasn’t that a shit ton of load option?

B back is a lead blocker and it’s a double option with QB and A back.

It was devastating because VT is so used to firing into the gaps to muck up things inside. We just had superior numbers outside and everyone was knocking some skulls play after play.
 
It has already been established by none other than Bill Belichick that the 30, if properly executed, is unstoppable.

In cases where CPJ knows the QB can't conduct the reads fast/accurately enough to run the pure triple-option (e.g., when Oliver is starting), he just calls plays in that capitalize on what he thinks the other DC is expecting.

Seems the only time it doesn't work is when we can't/don't block or complete the required pass.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
I would have to look back, but wasn’t that a öööö ton of load option?

B back is a lead blocker and it’s a double option with QB and A back.

It was devastating because VT is so used to firing into the gaps to muck up things inside. We just had superior numbers outside and everyone was knocking some skulls play after play.
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Exactly!

Except, I think it was actually a Zone Option and that this is the first year we've run it, though Navy and Army have.

We occassionally ran a CPJ special Lead Power variant that, iiuc, removes the option.

The point is that we did run it against USF (they must not have watched the tape), but it's a major bird flip to a D that focussed on stopping the triple.

It looks a lot like the triple, but against assignment D, iiuc, the Bback is blocking the QB guy.

Vpi did well to slow us down.
 
I think very little was actually called option. We ran qb sweeps a bit with Marshall last year and I think some with JeT in 15.

With how disciplined vt was about trying to cover the pitch (from practicing without a football), its a free block. Watch the sweeps and you'll see the edge guy covering the pitch even while TO ignores it.
 
QuadF said:
I think very little was actually called option. We ran qb sweeps a bit with Marshall last year and I think some with JeT in 15.

With how disciplined vt was about trying to cover the pitch (from practicing without a football), its a free block. Watch the sweeps and you'll see the edge guy covering the pitch even while TO ignores it.
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That's the point of option football though. Everyone hits their blocks the play naturally resolves itself to 2 on 1 or 1 on 1. The more I re-watch highlights the more I'm convinced those weren't called runs or QB sweeps. It was load option after load option. The Bbacks were heat seeking missiles on their backers and the Abacks were thumbing people whoever dared enter their zipcode. We asked the OL to mainly deal with stuff inside. They weren't pouring out in space like in the 3O.

I think those plays have the appearance of sweeps or calls because of how TO runs it. The dude is shot out of a cannon at the snap. He makes a quick decision on his read key and bulldozes forward. There's almost no hesitation, dissecting, or navigating blocks. See hole. Run through hole.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
That's the point of option football though. Everyone hits their blocks the play naturally resolves itself to 2 on 1 or 1 on 1. The more I re-watch highlights the more I'm convinced those weren't called runs or QB sweeps. It was load option after load option. The Bbacks were heat seeking missiles on their backers and the Abacks were thumbing people whoever dared enter their zipcode. We asked the OL to mainly deal with stuff inside. They weren't pouring out in space like in the 3O.

I think those plays have the appearance of sweeps or calls because of how TO runs it. The dude is shot out of a cannon at the snap. He makes a quick decision on his read key and bulldozes forward. There's almost no hesitation, dissecting, or navigating blocks. See hole. Run through hole.
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Yeah, this is what I'm starting to think as well. VT was just flying hard to the outside so it made it easier for TO to decide quickly to cut upfield. my biggest concern going forward is how he will handle it if the defense forces him to pitch the ball. That's what I would do if I was UNC.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
That's the point of option football though. Everyone hits their blocks the play naturally resolves itself to 2 on 1 or 1 on 1. The more I re-watch highlights the more I'm convinced those weren't called runs or QB sweeps. It was load option after load option. The Bbacks were heat seeking missiles on their backers and the Abacks were thumbing people whoever dared enter their zipcode. We asked the OL to mainly deal with stuff inside. They weren't pouring out in space like in the 3O.

I think those plays have the appearance of sweeps or calls because of how TO runs it. The dude is shot out of a cannon at the snap. He makes a quick decision on his read key and bulldozes forward. There's almost no hesitation, dissecting, or navigating blocks. See hole. Run through hole.
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They were zone option, which is different from the load option we've run in previous years, iiuc.

I think it was a keep read because vpi had a cb taking the trail aback usually. Iiuc, the bback was going after the lb assigned to take qb. There was at least one late pitch to an ABack iirc.
 
AE 87 said:
They were zone option, which is different from the load option we've run in previous years, iiuc.

I think it was a keep read because vpi had a cb taking the trail aback usually. Iiuc, the bback was going after the lb assigned to take qb. There was at least one late pitch to an ABack iirc.
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Interesting. I got some studying to do cause I'm not familiar with a zone option.
 
johncu said:
Yeah, this is what I'm starting to think as well. VT was just flying hard to the outside so it made it easier for TO to decide quickly to cut upfield. my biggest concern going forward is how he will handle it if the defense forces him to pitch the ball. That's what I would do if I was UNC.
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That's what I'm interested in, too. It seems the pitch relationship could easily get out of whack cause TQM and TO seem to play so differently in that QB keep phase. TQM routinely slow plays it, imo. On the other hand, TO snaps like a rubber band.
 
Somebody define differences between zone option, load option and midline. It just looked like the same thing that we did to them 2 years ago up there with the Matthew Jordan(?).
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
That's what I'm interested in, too. It seems the pitch relationship could easily get out of whack cause TQM and TO seem to play so differently in that QB keep phase. TQM routinely slow plays it, imo. On the other hand, TO snaps like a rubber band.
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Yep thats the noticeable difference. TQM runs in an arch and is trying to make a pitch read. TO runs in a straight line and gets upfield quick and with attitude.
 
ramblinwise1 said:
Somebody define differences between zone option, load option and midline. It just looked like the same thing that we did to them 2 years ago up there with the Matthew Jordan(?).
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3/o: reads key (usually playside DE, iirc typically a 4/5 tech read)
Then runs outside and will read the next key (typically play side olb) for the pitch

Zone read option: the first read of the 3/o by itself

Midline: similar to zone read, but the read key is the guy lined up across from the guard (2 tech). Iirc, the b back takes the a gap and the qb takes the bgap.

Load option: a double option, but the bback doesn't go forward, he runs outside as a lead blocker ( or the aback blocks and the bback is your option)

The sweep we run is like the load option, but both the motioning aback and bback will be ahead of the qb as blockers. At times, it looked like we were running this with the qb outrunning his blockers.

(Might've mixed some terminology in there, and I'm not a player, so take it with a grain of salt)
 
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