Yesterday's loss.... I blame beej67

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Still want to storm the field beej? Your stupid post looking ahead to next week cursed us. You just assumed that we'd win this week. You never mess with the football gods. Thanks for jinxing us. Its all your fault.

Anyway, onto my analysis.



Sometimes a team is just better than you are. Yesterday you saw that. UVA's first drive reminded me why I was so nervous going into this game. They are a very good team with a very good RB, an excellent big mobile OLine and a serviceable QB who limited his mistakes.

We're not going to win the ACC this year people. We have more than likely 2 more losses in our future and we'll finish the year 8-4 which was my first prediction anyway. I think PJ is a damn good coach and I expected him to do much better than most expected, but we do not have the players yet to execute his offense. Some of them need more time to develop, others I don't think will ever be good in this offense.

First let me dispell one of the dumber things I've read on this board. "Our DLine is only good but not great". They are great but they got zero help from our linebackers. UVA exposed our most glaring weakness on Defense... our linebackers. They would throw quick pass routes, and screens and limited pressure. When they threw the ball on mid to deep routes it was alwalys against our weakest link in the secondary. They would roll out the QB to avoid the pressure. Sure their oline held the crap out of us. But you have to expect that and overcome it. I thought MJ played alright. Walker was held most of the day. The bottom line is these guys did enough but got no help behind them. When your top 5 tacklers are guys in your secondary, it says that your linebackers stunk it up awful.

On offense. Had a lot of people in my section blaming Nesbitt. One called him a "stupid" QB and didn't know why Jaybo wasn't in there. I finally turned around and said, "If your lineman can't block, its easy to look bad". Nesbitt made three very bad reads in my opinion and the INT was one of them.

For Nesbitt, the bottom line is the first read is just not natural for him yet and he gives it to Dwyer when he should keep it, and vice versa. This comes with experience. Eventually the first read will be as natural as blinking. Those games where he sat out really hurt his progression. Its obvious we should have played him against GW just to give him some comfortability.

That said Jaybo doesn't scramble for a 1st down like Nesbitt did on two ocassions and Jaybo doesn't make the throw to Thomas in stride to set up the 2nd TD. Nesbitt will be deadly in this offense, he just needs time. This is why PJ is playing him relentlessly. He's young, kind of like the rest of our team.

The other thing that is having people hate on Josh is that he needs to stop fumbling the damn ball. The center snap I can understand. The 5 yard line fumble was absolutely atrocious. He just goofed it. It is painfully obvious to me that he is just not comfortable running this offense yet. Its understandable. In the long run I think he's our guy. If Jaybo ran the offense yesterday he would have been sacked 18 times as our interior olineman again sucked it up. Hell all the lineman sucked it up including Gardner who had a stupid penalty. For the most part, these kids lacked focus. Excitement yes. Prepared yes. Focused... no.

From my seats I saw the worst blocking from the left guard and right guard positions, and right tackle. Voss looked a little better actually but still not by much. Gilbert and Brown looked awful. I can't tell you how many times I saw one of them facing our own endzone right after the snap. This is the weakest link for us. Its killing us. Expect more of the same the rest of the season. These guys are just not gettng it done. I would love to hear from Demjackets how the true freshman (Uzzi, Smith, and McCrae) are looking because if we have to rely on Gilbert, Voss and Howard next year, we're in deep doo doo.

I think these guys could be capable, but PJ is going to have to make some adjustments. Maybe its best if our splits are not so wide because clearly our oline is just not capable of executing their blocks, split as wide as they are.

I was disappointed we didn't win yesterday, but its like I said to the guy who sits next to me. We're 6-2 with the youngest team in the ACC (one of the youngest teams in the country) with a new coach, and a new offense and we STILL had a chance to win the game and very well should have.

The future is bright, its just not going to be right this minute.
 
Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I'm glad to find someone on this board who is actually taking into account the play from both sides of the ball, and making a rational assessment of the game.
 
but, but, Nesbitt is teh Reggie!!1!!11!!1!11!!!!
 
Still want to storm the field beej? Your stupid post looking ahead to next week cursed us. You just assumed that we'd win this week. You never mess with the football gods. Thanks for jinxing us. Its all your fault.
I said "IF."

:P

I agree 1000% that our biggest problem on offense is Nesbitt not making the mesh read properly. You've watched more tape than I have, BOR .. has he gotten any better at it yet? Seemed to me like he was making the read better vs VT than anybody since.

We're not going to win the ACC this year people. We have more than likely 2 more losses in our future and we'll finish the year 8-4 which was my first prediction anyway.

2 losses means 2 wins. Who do you think we can beat? I think we'll take Miami, but the other 3 don't look too hot to me.
 
I said "IF."

:P

I agree 1000% that our biggest problem on offense is Nesbitt not making the mesh read properly. You've watched more tape than I have, BOR .. has he gotten any better at it yet? Seemed to me like he was making the read better vs VT than anybody since.

You aren't listening. Our biggest problem on offense is our oline. It isn't Nesbitt
 
I'll conceed that the interior line is worse than Nesbitt's read making. I also think that's why Jaybo really isn't an option, and that we don't have a choice but to use Nesbitt this year.
 
Still want to storm the field beej? Your stupid post looking ahead to next week cursed us. You just assumed that we'd win this week. You never mess with the football gods. Thanks for jinxing us. Its all your fault.

Anyway, onto my analysis.



Sometimes a team is just better than you are. Yesterday you saw that. UVA's first drive reminded me why I was so nervous going into this game. They are a very good team with a very good RB, an excellent big mobile OLine and a serviceable QB who limited his mistakes.

We're not going to win the ACC this year people. We have more than likely 2 more losses in our future and we'll finish the year 8-4 which was my first prediction anyway. I think PJ is a damn good coach and I expected him to do much better than most expected, but we do not have the players yet to execute his offense. Some of them need more time to develop, others I don't think will ever be good in this offense.

First let me dispell one of the dumber things I've read on this board. "Our DLine is only good but not great". They are great but they got zero help from our linebackers. UVA exposed our most glaring weakness on Defense... our linebackers. They would throw quick pass routes, and screens and limited pressure. When they threw the ball on mid to deep routes it was alwalys against our weakest link in the secondary. They would roll out the QB to avoid the pressure. Sure their oline held the crap out of us. But you have to expect that and overcome it. I thought MJ played alright. Walker was held most of the day. The bottom line is these guys did enough but got no help behind them. When your top 5 tacklers are guys in your secondary, it says that your linebackers stunk it up awful.

On offense. Had a lot of people in my section blaming Nesbitt. One called him a "stupid" QB and didn't know why Jaybo wasn't in there. I finally turned around and said, "If your lineman can't block, its easy to look bad". Nesbitt made three very bad reads in my opinion and the INT was one of them.

For Nesbitt, the bottom line is the first read is just not natural for him yet and he gives it to Dwyer when he should keep it, and vice versa. This comes with experience. Eventually the first read will be as natural as blinking. Those games where he sat out really hurt his progression. Its obvious we should have played him against GW just to give him some comfortability.

That said Jaybo doesn't scramble for a 1st down like Nesbitt did on two ocassions and Jaybo doesn't make the throw to Thomas in stride to set up the 2nd TD. Nesbitt will be deadly in this offense, he just needs time. This is why PJ is playing him relentlessly. He's young, kind of like the rest of our team.

The other thing that is having people hate on Josh is that he needs to stop fumbling the damn ball. The center snap I can understand. The 5 yard line fumble was absolutely atrocious. He just goofed it. It is painfully obvious to me that he is just not comfortable running this offense yet. Its understandable. In the long run I think he's our guy. If Jaybo ran the offense yesterday he would have been sacked 18 times as our interior olineman again sucked it up. Hell all the lineman sucked it up including Gardner who had a stupid penalty. For the most part, these kids lacked focus. Excitement yes. Prepared yes. Focused... no.

From my seats I saw the worst blocking from the left guard and right guard positions, and right tackle. Voss looked a little better actually but still not by much. Gilbert and Brown looked awful. I can't tell you how many times I saw one of them facing our own endzone right after the snap. This is the weakest link for us. Its killing us. Expect more of the same the rest of the season. These guys are just not gettng it done. I would love to hear from Demjackets how the true freshman (Uzzi, Smith, and McCrae) are looking because if we have to rely on Gilbert, Voss and Howard next year, we're in deep doo doo.

I think these guys could be capable, but PJ is going to have to make some adjustments. Maybe its best if our splits are not so wide because clearly our oline is just not capable of executing their blocks, split as wide as they are.

I was disappointed we didn't win yesterday, but its like I said to the guy who sits next to me. We're 6-2 with the youngest team in the ACC (one of the youngest teams in the country) with a new coach, and a new offense and we STILL had a chance to win the game and very well should have.

The future is bright, its just not going to be right this minute.

When BOR cuts anyone some slack, it is especially meaningful and I'm listening.

I'll also add that Gilbert is a freshman and Brown hasn't seen all that many snaps on offense either. I like Josh because he says it all with his game face. He doesn't like losing. Furthermore, this is essentially his first year since he was more or less a direct snap RB last year. We're not terribly experienced at Lb or in the secondary, especially with depth being impacted by injuries on a team that does not have a full complement of scholarship players.

So ye of little faith, you might try getting some. It can do wonders for your disposition and outlook on life. :)
 
I stand and applaud you, BOR. That was an outstanding analysis.

We all saw a 6-1 record and expected a MNC run when we should have all known we're a few years away (maybe less) from that. Those who questioned CPJ need only look at his credentials from previous years to see how great he will make us given time - and THAT is what we need to give him.

It's never fun to lose. In fact it sucks more than I can explain with words, but it was expected before the year started. We all forgot our expectations to begin the year and instead got caught up in the moment.
 
I'll conceed that the interior line is worse than Nesbitt's read making. I also think that's why Jaybo really isn't an option, and that we don't have a choice but to use Nesbitt this year.
Actually I'm not convinced Josh is that bad at the mesh read. Seemed to me that lots of time when he gives it to Jon, the play is stacked up by the interior line missing their blocks, not by the guy he's keying on for the read. Not saying he's great at it, but I think the OL problems are making everything look bad.
 
Good job,BOR. Saved me the trouble.

But please allow me to remind you (and everyone) we had TWO redzone fumbles. Yes, They were forced, but we were literally a bad bounce away...

We aren't there yet, but tell me that first drive was not only option perfection, but a harbinger of things to come?
 
...and expected a MNC run when we should have all known we're a few years away (maybe less) from that....

MNC with the TO? I believe in CPJ as a coach. He's been successful wherever he's been. But a MNC will not be with this version of PJ's offense. It will look alot different if we get that far.
 
MNC with the TO? I believe in CPJ as a coach. He's been successful wherever he's been. But a MNC will not be with this version of PJ's offense. It will look alot different if we get that far.

I agree, we are running about 20% of PJ's offense this year. And we are only running 20% of that successfully.
 
Actually I'm not convinced Josh is that bad at the mesh read. Seemed to me that lots of time when he gives it to Jon, the play is stacked up by the interior line missing their blocks, not by the guy he's keying on for the read. Not saying he's great at it, but I think the OL problems are making everything look bad.

Exactly. Actually, I think we could run this offense better from the shotgun with our line.
 
Still want to storm the field beej? Your stupid post looking ahead to next week cursed us. You just assumed that we'd win this week. You never mess with the football gods. Thanks for jinxing us. Its all your fault.

Right answer, wrong reason. Beej jinxed us by saying that we would lose all of our remaining games where we scored 17 or less. He is clearly the problem here.

Well, beej and that guy in our section who kept yelling to us to make more noise while OUR offense was on the field.
 
Right answer, wrong reason. Beej jinxed us by saying that we would lose all of our remaining games where we scored 17 or less. He is clearly the problem here.

Well, beej and that guy in our section who kept yelling to us to make more noise while OUR offense was on the field.

Who is beej's backup?
 
Right answer, wrong reason. Beej jinxed us by saying that we would lose all of our remaining games where we scored 17 or less. He is clearly the problem here.

Well, beej and that guy in our section who kept yelling to us to make more noise while OUR offense was on the field.

Bad vibes man, bad vibes. You're 20% right about Beej, that was classic bad juju; but really bad vibes came from that Bill Curry ticket, talk about ticket Juju :eek:. First Pepper Rodgers and then Curry, I'm telling you man somebody in the GTAA is a double agent. Then we get Stewart as honorary captain, hey could you creat more bad vibes for one game?:ugh:

Josh had a bad day. He even reminded me of a quarterback we had a couple of years ago when he dropped back and took that sack for 15 yards that nearly took us out of field goal range. You can't directly blame Josh though man, it was more that bad karma we were gathering in Grant Field.
 
Actually I'm not convinced Josh is that bad at the mesh read. Seemed to me that lots of time when he gives it to Jon, the play is stacked up by the interior line missing their blocks, not by the guy he's keying on for the read. Not saying he's great at it, but I think the OL problems are making everything look bad.

There's probably a lot of truth to that.

So, conceptually, with this offense, how do we game plan around our interior OL problems, seeing how shotgun isn't an option for PJ?

gtl said:
We aren't there yet, but tell me that first drive was not only option perfection, but a harbinger of things to come?
You're daft. We only ran option twice in the first drive, and those two plays combined only went for about 8 yards. We ran the sweep, the sweep, the sweep, the sweep, and the sweep, because their OLBs were aligned too towards the middle. They adjusted their alignment, and the sweep never worked again. That wasn't option, it was X-Box.

wracerx said:
Beej jinxed us by saying that we would lose all of our remaining games where we scored 17 or less.
Sorry, but I still say that stands. We have to score more than 17 to win vs any of our remaining opponents.
 
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