Yesterday's loss.... I blame beej67

beej67 said:
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Sorry, but I still say that stands. We have to score more than 17 to win vs any of our remaining opponents.
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Marion Campbell once said something to the effect of 'the job of the defense is to hold the offense to less than 21; the job of the offense is to score more than 24'. I've found that to be a pretty good yardstick through the years to measure teams by. [Note: Marion Campbell was a NFL DC/HC for you youngsters who have no idea who I'm talking about]
 
WracerX said:
Well, beej and that guy in our section who kept yelling to us to make more noise while OUR offense was on the field.
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Did someone punch him in the face? I was getting rather pissed at the East/West stands when they wouldn't shut the hell up during the huddle and even through the snap when we were on offense. Morons.
 
BarrelORum said:
Still want to storm the field beej? Your stupid post looking ahead to next week cursed us. You just assumed that we'd win this week. You never mess with the football gods. Thanks for jinxing us. Its all your fault.

Anyway, onto my analysis.



Sometimes a team is just better than you are. Yesterday you saw that. UVA's first drive reminded me why I was so nervous going into this game. They are a very good team with a very good RB, an excellent big mobile OLine and a serviceable QB who limited his mistakes.

We're not going to win the ACC this year people. We have more than likely 2 more losses in our future and we'll finish the year 8-4 which was my first prediction anyway. I think PJ is a damn good coach and I expected him to do much better than most expected, but we do not have the players yet to execute his offense. Some of them need more time to develop, others I don't think will ever be good in this offense.

First let me dispell one of the dumber things I've read on this board. "Our DLine is only good but not great". They are great but they got zero help from our linebackers. UVA exposed our most glaring weakness on Defense... our linebackers. They would throw quick pass routes, and screens and limited pressure. When they threw the ball on mid to deep routes it was alwalys against our weakest link in the secondary. They would roll out the QB to avoid the pressure. Sure their oline held the crap out of us. But you have to expect that and overcome it. I thought MJ played alright. Walker was held most of the day. The bottom line is these guys did enough but got no help behind them. When your top 5 tacklers are guys in your secondary, it says that your linebackers stunk it up awful.

On offense. Had a lot of people in my section blaming Nesbitt. One called him a "stupid" QB and didn't know why Jaybo wasn't in there. I finally turned around and said, "If your lineman can't block, its easy to look bad". Nesbitt made three very bad reads in my opinion and the INT was one of them.

For Nesbitt, the bottom line is the first read is just not natural for him yet and he gives it to Dwyer when he should keep it, and vice versa. This comes with experience. Eventually the first read will be as natural as blinking. Those games where he sat out really hurt his progression. Its obvious we should have played him against GW just to give him some comfortability.

That said Jaybo doesn't scramble for a 1st down like Nesbitt did on two ocassions and Jaybo doesn't make the throw to Thomas in stride to set up the 2nd TD. Nesbitt will be deadly in this offense, he just needs time. This is why PJ is playing him relentlessly. He's young, kind of like the rest of our team.

The other thing that is having people hate on Josh is that he needs to stop fumbling the damn ball. The center snap I can understand. The 5 yard line fumble was absolutely atrocious. He just goofed it. It is painfully obvious to me that he is just not comfortable running this offense yet. Its understandable. In the long run I think he's our guy. If Jaybo ran the offense yesterday he would have been sacked 18 times as our interior olineman again sucked it up. Hell all the lineman sucked it up including Gardner who had a stupid penalty. For the most part, these kids lacked focus. Excitement yes. Prepared yes. Focused... no.

From my seats I saw the worst blocking from the left guard and right guard positions, and right tackle. Voss looked a little better actually but still not by much. Gilbert and Brown looked awful. I can't tell you how many times I saw one of them facing our own endzone right after the snap. This is the weakest link for us. Its killing us. Expect more of the same the rest of the season. These guys are just not gettng it done. I would love to hear from Demjackets how the true freshman (Uzzi, Smith, and McCrae) are looking because if we have to rely on Gilbert, Voss and Howard next year, we're in deep doo doo.

I think these guys could be capable, but PJ is going to have to make some adjustments. Maybe its best if our splits are not so wide because clearly our oline is just not capable of executing their blocks, split as wide as they are.

I was disappointed we didn't win yesterday, but its like I said to the guy who sits next to me. We're 6-2 with the youngest team in the ACC (one of the youngest teams in the country) with a new coach, and a new offense and we STILL had a chance to win the game and very well should have.

The future is bright, its just not going to be right this minute.
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DAMN BOR! That was a shocking.. very good post.
 
Sorry, but I still say that stands. We have to score more than 17 to win vs any of our remaining opponents.
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How is this specific to Georgia Tech?
 
gsu_paintballer said:
It's clearly not. If we have to do it, so do they
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If it applies to everyone then what's the point in saying it? It doesn't take much insight to say something like "if our defense gives up more than 35 a game, we'll lose".
 
Ish said:
How is this specific to Georgia Tech?
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It's specific to our team this year because this year our D can't keep a good team under 17 points.

For Georgia Tech 1999, I'd have said we'll lose any game where our D gives up 24 points.
 
aeromech said:
Marion Campbell once said something to the effect of 'the job of the defense is to hold the offense to less than 21; the job of the offense is to score more than 24'. I've found that to be a pretty good yardstick through the years to measure teams by. [Note: Marion Campbell was a NFL DC/HC for you youngsters who have no idea who I'm talking about]
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Marion Campbell sucked! :mad:
 
gt7282c@prism said:
Marion Campbell sucked! :mad:
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I just busted out laughing when I saw Marion Campbell quoted here. :laugher:

Geez what a gawd-awful head football coach. Not bad as a D coordinator, but the man was lost when he was at the healm --and the Smith's actually brought him back for a second round of misery.
 
Ish said:
If it applies to everyone then what's the point in saying it? It doesn't take much insight to say something like "if our defense gives up more than 35 a game, we'll lose".
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If you score 100 points, you might win.

If they don't score any, you'll win every time.
 
WracerX said:
You could have your band play the other team's song.
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The BC band actually did this before our game. I'm not sure if it's some ACC-wide sportsmanship thing or not.

But if our band plays the Battle Hymn of the Republic before the Georgia game, I think I might kill someone.
 
floridajacket said:
The BC band actually did this before our game. I'm not sure if it's some ACC-wide sportsmanship thing or not.

But if our band plays the Battle Hymn of the Republic before the Georgia game, I think I might kill someone.
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The GT band did it before the Duke game and the announcer said it WAS in fact an ACC thing
 
I recall FSU playing our fight song before games in the 90s to show sportsmanship, right before promptly beating us by scores such as 81-3. Nothing like sportsmanship.

Anyone remember the year in Athens when our band covered the UGA midfield logo with a gigantic Tech logo? I have still never heard a louder, longer, steadier booooooo. I am guessing this was in '96, maybe '94.
 
GiveEmHellJackets said:
Anyone remember the year in Athens when our band covered the UGA midfield logo with a gigantic Tech logo? I have still never heard a louder, longer, steadier booooooo. I am guessing this was in '96, maybe '94.
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I was at that game. Was the time I very nearly got thrown out of club level by security when a stereotypical drunk dawg fan started barking in my face when GT fumbled on UGA's 1 yard line.

I may have said some things that need not be said in club level --or any level-- at any stadium :rolleyes:. I also may have been a little inebriated.
 
beej67 said:
There's probably a lot of truth to that.

So, conceptually, with this offense, how do we game plan around our interior OL problems, seeing how shotgun isn't an option for PJ?

You're daft. We only ran option twice in the first drive, and those two plays combined only went for about 8 yards. We ran the sweep, the sweep, the sweep, the sweep, and the sweep, because their OLBs were aligned too towards the middle. They adjusted their alignment, and the sweep never worked again. That wasn't option, it was X-Box.

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We could try the QB sneak a few times to slow them down as CPJ did vs. Clemson. It didn't matter as much that the DL was in our backfield when Josh was already past the line. When they are cheating the LB and DBs wide to stop the option the middle is often open. (I remember Fridge doing the same sort of thing with Hamilton against some opponent who was cheating wide. Hamilton had the geen light to run it anytime he saw the middle open.)

Those plays weren't TO plays but they were an essential part of the TO offense. And they were successful because the D was overcompensating to stop the TO.
 
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