The Paul Johnson Era

Glad people have passion, but really shocked by the lack of clear logic being displayed on this board today.

Saw a stat in the paper that Johnson in year 6 has almost doubled the years of a positive conference record over Gailey and matched O'Leary's record (accomplished in 7 years). Despite that, it's doom and gloom everywhere. Doesn't make sense, but I suppose people have to piss and moan about something.

I'm firmly in the camp of keeping Johnson as long as the guy will stay. Give him time and he'll be successful.
 
GTLaw02 said:
Glad people have passion, but really shocked by the lack of clear logic being displayed on this board today.

Saw a stat in the paper that Johnson in year 6 has almost doubled the years of a positive conference record over Gailey and matched O'Leary's record (accomplished in 7 years). Despite that, it's doom and gloom everywhere. Doesn't make sense, but I suppose people have to piss and moan about something.

I'm firmly in the camp of keeping Johnson as long as the guy will stay. Give him time and he'll be successful.
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How I think.
 
FWIW

GT Coaches by Win % (min. 2 games)

1. John Heisman - 76.4%
2. Bobby Dodd - 71.3%
3. Paul Johnson - 61.8%
4. George O'Leary 61.2%
5. Bill Alexander 58.0%
6. Chan Gailey - 57.9%
7. Bobby Ross - 54.3%
8. Bill Fulcher - 54.3%
9. Pepper Rodgers - 52.2%
10. Bud Carson - 50.0%
11. Bill Curry - 42.3%
12. Bill Lewis - 36.7%
 
CPJ has the ninth-highest winning percentage in conference games in ACC history, according to gtrower's thread.
 
Lol Gailey would have been in top 5 if he played a(nother?) FCS team in the 11-game year(s?).
 
I admit to my bias because I've known PJ for about 17 years. I like him and I think he's a good coach and I think he likes being at Tech - good area, good school, close to his western North Carolina home, a chance to win and win big and by nature of Tech's academic rigors you cut down on the turd quotient in recruiting.
 
swampsting said:
I admit to my bias because I've known PJ for about 17 years. I like him and I think he's a good coach and I think he likes being at Tech - good area, good school, close to his western North Carolina home, a chance to win and win big and by nature of Tech's academic rigors you cut down on the turd quotient in recruiting.
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I don't know the man and still am a fan.

Players are not being stupid, and we are on the up swing with CTR and D and ST has some swagger
 
slugboy said:
And, in 1988-1989, a lot of fans wanted Bobby Ross gone, and the "football program was going nowhere". It's rare when people remember what really happened and how it happened.
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And in year 4?

To other posters, whether you like it or not, leaving the SEC just about totaly killed GT athletics.
Dodd was not smart enough to forsee all the ship limits, having to actually play real home & home series vs our opponents, the impact of pro sports, etc.
If Dodd was right about getting out of the SEC, then why did he try to get us back in?
I hope CPJ can get it done and I am believing we finish 9 - 3, but if he can not get it done it is not because he did not get enough time
 
GT90 said:
Ok, I can pick a couple of three year periods where Dodd's record was mediocre, and he made a mistake taking us out of the SEC which is a big part of why we are who we are today. Heisman was consistently pretty good, but he coached 100 years ago.
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I would be curious to see the percentages of all in the list without the FCS wins. And pick the worst three years of any coach but you can't pick the first three of anyone.

FWIW, we played as close to an SEC schedule as you can come without actually being in the SEC for a long time. I am not sold on the idea staying in the SEC would have kept us relevant.

Leaving the SEC was not a mistake. Trying to be Notre Dame and stay independent for so long was the mistake.
 
FatJacket said:
Don't fire Pawl. Instead, give him a mediocre contract with big incentives for 8+ wins. Say $750k base + $100 k for win #8, $200k for #9, $400k for #10, $800k for #11, $1.6MM for #12 + $2MM for #14.

Fire Mike Sewak if that doesn't work.
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Lol, so were going to pay a coach one of the worst salaries in the ACC for winning ten games. Like the concept, but you aren't even being close to relevant with these numbers. For those numbers we'd be hiring Mike Sewak as head coach.
 
texstinger said:
And in year 4?
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Even through year 4, most people didn't really believe it until we were halfway into the season. I was a grad student during that year, and for the first half of the season you could still get same-day tickets from the booth.

And the points are
  1. The fans are really bad judges of coaching talent, even when they think they are
  2. We remember being right about things, even when we weren't
  3. If history is any guide, we as fans don't recognize how close or far a team is from being really successful, until after the fact. Even then, we probably identify the wrong causes.

It took VT a lot of time to develop into a good program, and they still haven't won a national championship. For a lot of teams, 6 years isn't enough.
 
BarrelORum said:
Lol, so were going to pay a coach one of the worst salaries in the ACC for winning ten games. Like the concept, but you aren't even being close to relevant with these numbers. For those numbers we'd be hiring Mike Sewak as head coach.
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So fix the numbers James.
 
Yeah, that 6-3 win over VaTech in the fog just when we had moved into the top 10 was tough

I would also like to remind everyone how many players from that team were drafted: 2
Calvin Tiggle in the 7th and Jim Lavin in the 10th
That was the epitome of "team" rather than great talent

I also think the excitement factor worked in our favor when we beat #1 UVa away and just wouldn't quit. That propelled us from #16 to #7. Then that tie threatened to set us back, but after crushing Wake and Georgie we were back up at #2
 
GTLaw02 said:
Glad people have passion, but really shocked by the lack of clear logic being displayed on this board today.

Saw a stat in the paper that Johnson in year 6 has almost doubled the years of a positive conference record over Gailey and matched O'Leary's record (accomplished in 7 years). Despite that, it's doom and gloom everywhere. Doesn't make sense, but I suppose people have to piss and moan about something.

I'm firmly in the camp of keeping Johnson as long as the guy will stay. Give him time and he'll be successful.
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I think the rub is that things were very good his first two years and haven't been as good since. I believe he can get us back to that point with Roof controlling the defense and improvements in recruiting.
 
BuzzCzar said:
Yeah, that 6-3 win over VaTech in the fog just when we had moved into the top 10 was tough

I would also like to remind everyone how many players from that team were drafted: 2
Calvin Tiggle in the 7th and Jim Lavin in the 10th
That was the epitome of "team" rather than great talent

I also think the excitement factor worked in our favor when we beat #1 UVa away and just wouldn't quit. That propelled us from #16 to #7. Then that tie threatened to set us back, but after crushing Wake and Georgie we were back up at #2
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Lavin ... thought cotton came from sheep. So I've been told.
 
GTLaw02 said:
Glad people have passion, but really shocked by the lack of clear logic being displayed on this board today.

Saw a stat in the paper that Johnson in year 6 has almost doubled the years of a positive conference record over Gailey and matched O'Leary's record (accomplished in 7 years). Despite that, it's doom and gloom everywhere. Doesn't make sense, but I suppose people have to piss and moan about something.

I'm firmly in the camp of keeping Johnson as long as the guy will stay. Give him time and he'll be successful.
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I think a lot of fans confuse spouting off on message boards with "passion". We do have some very passionate fans, but people who sit at home on game day and spew hate aren't them. Don't be shocked by their lack of clear logic LOL :lol:

I hope GT will be patient and let CPJ build a program here. The year before Beamer took over VT they were 9-2-1. In his first six years his overall record was 23-40-2 with no bowl appearances. His best year was 6-5. His record in his sixth year was 2-8-1.
 
I think, now that we have a good D, we can get back to a 9-3 or 10-2 team that can beat Georgia once every 2-3 years.
God, how much did we lose keeping Groh for 2 1/2 seasons?
 
BuzzCzar said:
Yeah, that 6-3 win over VaTech in the fog just when we had moved into the top 10 was tough

I would also like to remind everyone how many players from that team were drafted: 2
Calvin Tiggle in the 7th and Jim Lavin in the 10th
That was the epitome of "team" rather than great talent

I also think the excitement factor worked in our favor when we beat #1 UVa away and just wouldn't quit. That propelled us from #16 to #7. Then that tie threatened to set us back, but after crushing Wake and Georgie we were back up at #2
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It was clear and windy against VPI in 1990. Marco Coleman, Willie Clay, Coleman Rudolf, Ken Swilling, and Mike Mooney were also drafted from that team. Also, the tie vs UNC was before we played UVa and the reason we had dropped to #16.
 
augustabuzz said:
It was clear and windy against VPI in 1990. Marco Coleman, Willie Clay, Coleman Rudolf, Ken Swilling, and Mike Mooney were also drafted from that team. Also, the tie vs UNC was before we played UVa and the reason we had dropped to #16.
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But other than that everything else was accurate, right?
 
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