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They tell the defense if someone who is usually ineligible becomes eligible.
The Patriots: A deflating story
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They tell the defense if someone who is usually ineligible becomes eligible.
DerekMGT04
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In every NFL game I've ever been to the refs have announced when someone reports as eligible over the PA system. It's just rarely heard on TV broadcasts.
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Harbaugh's complaint with it was not that it occured but that the method's used to announce to the defense were unfair and not within the spirit of the rule. The rule is intended for defenses to be given a chance to recognize and set up their defense appropriately. Belichik probably used the announcement to his advantage because he likely knew that set of refs wouldn't really get it right. For that I give him credit. Otherwise, he is just a cheat trying to work the system not unlike Rick Neuhisal.
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Hey Sparky, he did coach elsewhere before ending up in NE with the greatest QB of all time.
Tell me how good he was in Cleveland.
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Really good by Cleveland Browns standards. No Cleveland coach who came after him has had a higher winning percentage than he did, and he's the last Cleveland coach to win a playoff game.
Not going to say he was a fantastic coach in Cleveland or anything, but using his first four years as a head coach when he went 36-44 and did better than anyone who came after him as an indication of him being "awful" is pretty rough.
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That Cleveland franchise became the Baltimore Ravens. Two coaches after him did pretty well with that franchise and won Super Bowls. You aren't comparing apples to apples.
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And you're looking at two apples and calling one of them an orange.
Your justification for Belichick not being great is that he did poorly in his four years in Cleveland, and that the 11-5 record without Brady in New England doesn't really matter because the the AFC East has been dog öööö for the past 15 years.
However, you also call Brady the best QB ever, presumably because of all the games and titles he's won...in the dog öööö AFC East.
Brady is definitely one of the best QBs to ever play the game. However, Belichick is also one of the best coaches to ever coach the game. They wouldn't have had such a ridiculous run if either one of them wasn't fantastic at his job.
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Cassel has not been that good except with the Pats. Brady is a product of the system. A great QB, yes, but not the best ever by any means. He doesn't even win his first couple Super Bowls without a superb defense, a terrible call against the Raiders, and Bledsoe coming in and leading them back in the AFC Championship. I can probably name 10 QBs I would rank ahead of Brady all-time....Manning, Montana, Young, Marino, Favre, Unitas, Starr, Brees, Elway, and Staubach...that's 10 off the top of my head I would consider better and did more for their teams.
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Brady has a 20-8 Playoff record. He has led his team to 6 Super Bowl appearances. The guy is the definition of clutch. He has done this all (for the most part) without other elite offensive pieces.
I don't think anyone has done more for their team other than Brady.
I could see the argument of him being somewhere in the top 5 (but not #1), but to suggest 10 other QBs are better/have done more is full retard. Brady is the greatest QB of his generation. To even include Manning in the discussion is dumb at this point.
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Belichick is a genius. And if you don't believe it, wait until he Jedi mind tricks you into your head exploding like the dude from Scanners.
Brady is great. But Belichick comes up with a different offensive game plan every week. A completely different plan, using completely different personnel groups and formations. And defensively, he throws all kinds of wrinkles at a quarterback. Most coaches concern themselves mostly with one side of the ball. Belichick has his hands in every single phase.
Just wait till TB12 retires. And BB drafts JT5 to run the triple. Just wait.
Brady is great. But Belichick comes up with a different offensive game plan every week. A completely different plan, using completely different personnel groups and formations. And defensively, he throws all kinds of wrinkles at a quarterback. Most coaches concern themselves mostly with one side of the ball. Belichick has his hands in every single phase.
Just wait till TB12 retires. And BB drafts JT5 to run the triple. Just wait.
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I'm waiting for Brady to retire and see how genius the hoodie really is.
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You saw it the year Brady was hurt the whole season!!! I don't care how many Super Bowls he has been to btw. That has always been the most retarded way to judge a QB. Am I supposed to think Trent Dilfer is better than Marino because he won a Super Bowl??? Come on, Brady is great but no where near the best ever or even our generation. I can bring up Manning because he never had a defense or really a whole lot around him in Indy and the year he doesn't play, they were one of the worst teams I've ever seen.
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To your point, I agree that one SB appearance doesn't mean much... but once you get to multiple (6 in this case) it means something.
Who is better than Brady in this generation? Manning? The guy who has always played with elite 1st round skill position players and still couldn't win big? Manning is a playoff choker. Brady steps up big when it counts... and their stats are pretty dang close otherwise. One has the hardware and big wins. The other has Papa Johns commercials.
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None of his receivers could start for the Falcons!
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Brady didn't really become a great QB until after winning a few super bowls. His TD/INT ratio was always worse than 2:1 during that run, and he never passed for more than 235 ypg. He was basically a pretty good QB backed by a solid ground game and an excellent defense - much like Russell Wilson, who also gets the 'great' label from some, even though anyone actually watching the games can tell that the Seahawks wouldn't be a playoff team without their defense.
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Back then QBs weren't putting up the video game like numbers they put up today. Not many QBs put up 2-1 TD in INT numbers. In 2001, just 4 did. In 2002, only 5 did (and Brady was one of them). In 2003, just 4 did (and Brady was at 1.95 to 1).
In 2002, Brady was 6th in the league in passing yards with the most TDs of anyone in the league (28).
In 2003, Brady was 6th in the league in passing yards and 10th in the league with 23 TDs.
In 2004, Brady was 10th in the league in passing yards and 6th in the league with 28 TDs
In 2005, Brady was 1st in the league in passing yards and 3rd in TDs.
In 2006, Brady was 7th in the league in passing yards and 4th in TDs.
In 2007, Brady was 1st in the league in passing yards and 1st in TDs (NFL record)
The defense was good, but not always great. The Russell Wilson comparison isn't close to valid IMO.
NE Defensive ranks
2001: 24th in Yards against, 6th in points allowed
2002: 23rd in Yards against, 17th in points allowed
2003: 7th in Yards against, 1st in points allowed
2004: 9th in Yards against, 4th in points allowed
2005: 26th in Yards against, 17th in points allowed
2006: 6th in Yards against, 2nd in points allowed
Also, lets look at the Patriots' leading receiver these early years. None were very good. Brady wasn't working with a great WR corp and hasn't with the exception of the Moss years.
2001: Troy Brown
2002: Troy Brown
2003: Deion Branch
2004: David Givens
2005: Deion Branch
2006: Reche Caldwell
How many pro-bowl WRs did he work with for those 6 years? 1 (Troy Brown in 2001).
Lots of numbers... but I'm bored.. and I'm right.
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And none of that changes that Brady was only good, not great, during those early years. The numbers you give actually back up my point.
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