Not really running the Triple Option

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coit

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I haven’t seen it discussed much, but it is pretty obvious that CPJ is not able to run his offense with TM under center. As we’ve seen, he doesn’t make the reads correctly enough of the times to make it work.

A friend told me that Bedford said in the post-game that he thought that we ran the actual TO maybe 2 times all day. CPJ is simplifying the offense to fit TM’s abilities.

And as others have pointed out, the passing game was executed well by everyone but the QB it seems. Pass blocking was solid, TM had time to see the field, set his feet and throw. However, he doesn’t seem to be able to throw to a spot and let the WRs go get it. On the interception in the end zone, Stewart had beaten his man to the inside on a post, and if the ball is thrown early out ahead of him, it is a TD.
 
coit said:
I haven’t seen it discussed much, but it is pretty obvious that CPJ is not able to run his offense with TM under center. As we’ve seen, he doesn’t make the reads correctly enough of the times to make it work.

A friend told me that Bedford said in the post-game that he thought that we ran the actual TO maybe 2 times all day. CPJ is simplifying the offense to fit TM’s abilities.

And as others have pointed out, the passing game was executed well by everyone but the QB it seems. Pass blocking was solid, TM had time to see the field, set his feet and throw. However, he doesn’t seem to be able to throw to a spot and let the WRs go get it. On the interception in the end zone, Stewart had beaten his man to the inside on a post, and if the ball is thrown early out ahead of him, it is a TD.
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The natural question is, ‘just how bad are the other QBs on the roster that can’t beat TM out?’
 
QB development left with Cook. Maybe we will get him back.
 
coit said:
I haven’t seen it discussed much, but it is pretty obvious that CPJ is not able to run his offense with TM under center. As we’ve seen, he doesn’t make the reads correctly enough of the times to make it work.

A friend told me that Bedford said in the post-game that he thought that we ran the actual TO maybe 2 times all day. CPJ is simplifying the offense to fit TM’s abilities.

And as others have pointed out, the passing game was executed well by everyone but the QB it seems. Pass blocking was solid, TM had time to see the field, set his feet and throw. However, he doesn’t seem to be able to throw to a spot and let the WRs go get it. On the interception in the end zone, Stewart had beaten his man to the inside on a post, and if the ball is thrown early out ahead of him, it is a TD.
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Yes, Bedford referenced the “double option” throughout the broadcast. He was frustrated watching it.
 
coit said:
I haven’t seen it discussed much, but it is pretty obvious that CPJ is not able to run his offense with TM under center. As we’ve seen, he doesn’t make the reads correctly enough of the times to make it work.

A friend told me that Bedford said in the post-game that he thought that we ran the actual TO maybe 2 times all day. CPJ is simplifying the offense to fit TM’s abilities.

And as others have pointed out, the passing game was executed well by everyone but the QB it seems. Pass blocking was solid, TM had time to see the field, set his feet and throw. However, he doesn’t seem to be able to throw to a spot and let the WRs go get it. On the interception in the end zone, Stewart had beaten his man to the inside on a post, and if the ball is thrown early out ahead of him, it is a TD.
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There was another pass during the game, heading south, where we threw the ball incomplete to the south east (sorry, best description I have of the play). Ricky Jeune was wide open across the middle. TaQuan looked like he made up his mind from the snap where he was going with the ball, rolled that way, and stared down a receiver that was well covered. It was a horrible play. We may have had a TD if he looks off his original receiver and sees Jeune wide open.

I don't dislike Marshall, but he is a runner. A runner needs to be at running back, not at QB. His passing is just horrible. The second half of the season is the worst passing performance I have ever seen out of a QB at GT and yet somehow our coach kept trying to jam the square peg in the round hole (mom joke setup, I know)

I will be one pissed off dude if Lucas Johnson transfers in the offseason because he NEEDS to be our QB next season. The Marshall Plan is a failed experiment. Yea, sure, he can break a big play every once in a while, but those are too far and in between for us to win games. I don't attend to see us score one spectacular TD and still lose by 2-3 TD's because the offense is going 3 and out over and over and putting the defense back on the field. We need a bigger QB with a bigger arm.
 
Out of all the games I watched this year, I saw less than 10 times we actually ran a triple option play. Maybe we tried to run it more but it sure as hell never looked it. It is sad when you can't even run your bread and butter plays.
 
Can somebody help explain how we are not running the TO when it looks like TM most of the time is running the standard TO to my untrained eye? Some of the BB gives look like designed handoffs rather than meshes so maybe that is what he is referring to?
 
I thought, especially early, that Marshall's pitches looked forced, almost as if he has heard the criticism that he isn't pitching enough and was compensating for that by pitching when it wasn't there. I really don't think he can read the defense well or fast enough. He needs to be at A-back taking pitches from a good option QB on the edge and using his speed to get downfield
 
and he had another one or two of his "hover" pitches where the ball seemed to defy gravity and physics and hover in mid air. It is a pretty cool parlor trick, but is pretty frightening and allows the defense to pursue the back
 
Wasn't the story when CPJ arrived that finding a QB for the offense would be easy since so many GA HS programs ran it? Was that true then and, if so, is is still true? I would think most HS programs have moved to the zone read spread.

Seems like CPJ is having to train QBs from scratch to start under center, manage the mesh, handle the pitch read, etc. Maybe no time left for coaching how to pass.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
Can somebody help explain how we are not running the TO when it looks like TM most of the time is running the standard TO to my untrained eye? Some of the BB gives look like designed handoffs rather than meshes so maybe that is what he is referring to?
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Our pitch plays this year seem to be regular speed or load option, meaning there is no option for a dive handoff. We also run a lot of designed keepers, dives, and trap plays where there is no option at all. TM really is a very good runner, IMO, but he's a mediocre option QB and was an absolutely terrible passer this year. Unless he gets replaced or dramatically improves as a passer, we aren't getting better next year.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
Can somebody help explain how we are not running the TO when it looks like TM most of the time is running the standard TO to my untrained eye? Some of the BB gives look like designed handoffs rather than meshes so maybe that is what he is referring to?
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The TO starts with the QB/BB mesh. At this point, the QB reads the DE, and decides to allow the BB to keep, or pulls the ball out and looks to keep or pitch to the outside. If the DE is crashing down on the BB, QB is supposed to keep, if DE is looking to contain the QB on the outside, he should let the BB keep, as the blocking and numbers should indicate that there's 3-4 yards minimum to be gained on the dive.

That's an over simplification of it. The fact is that defenses are making it more difficult to read by shifting at the line prior to the snap, and putting the OLBs wider to help contain.
 
coit said:
The TO starts with the QB/BB mesh. At this point, the QB reads the DE, and decides to allow the BB to keep, or pulls the ball out and looks to keep or pitch to the outside. If the DE is crashing down on the BB, QB is supposed to keep, if DE is looking to contain the QB on the outside, he should let the BB keep, as the blocking and numbers should indicate that there's 3-4 yards minimum to be gained on the dive.

That's an over simplification of it. The fact is that defenses are making it more difficult to read by shifting at the line prior to the snap, and putting the OLBs wider to help contain.
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UGAg wasn't shifting. They were just daring a QB who completes less than 30% of his passes (second half of season) to try to throw the ball - basically taking the VT approach of defending the option knowing the QB can't complete passes. We managed two long pass TD's against VT, which was the risk they took. UGAg was bringing everyone hard to the corners and we couldn't account for the numbers. Add in we have no perimeter blocking whatsoever and it was just a confused mess out there. VT knew we can't throw, Duke knew it, UGAg knew it. Play the QB to keep the ball. Play single coverage except for the super obvious pass plays (3rds and 14 stuff) and you beat GT everytime - unless we happen to get lucky on a couple of long bombs.

I am absolutely pissed at coach for not having Lucas Johnson properly prepared this season to play competitive football. He should have gotten some PT. The game was lost. We have had piss poor coaching the entire season in every facet of the game. Every single part of the team needs fixed. We had a secondary with one junior and the rest seniors that looked like they hardly knew how to football the last two games.
We had an offense that looked like a Chinese fire drill. It is so disorganized it is laughable.
We have a kickoff receiving game that was ööööed up from the opening kickoff at UGAg - and every other game. Hell, we receive kickoffs and are lucky to run it out to the 20 every single time. Receive kick. Run to nearest defender. Go down.
We have a kickoff defense team where every single kickoff is returned for big yards. Same for our punt defense, although we have a big time punter he can out kick our cover guys who are really, really slow getting downfield - we have no gunner type player.

There is so much more. We are a very poorly coached team
 
JJacket said:
UGAg wasn't shifting. They were just daring a QB who completes less than 30% of his passes (second half of season) to try to throw the ball - basically taking the VT approach of defending the option knowing the QB can't complete passes. We managed two long pass TD's against VT, which was the risk they took. UGAg was bringing everyone hard to the corners and we couldn't account for the numbers. Add in we have no perimeter blocking whatsoever and it was just a confused mess out there. VT knew we can't throw, Duke knew it, UGAg knew it. Play the QB to keep the ball. Play single coverage except for the super obvious pass plays (3rds and 14 stuff) and you beat GT everytime - unless we happen to get lucky on a couple of long bombs.

I am absolutely pissed at coach for not having Lucas Johnson properly prepared this season to play competitive football. He should have gotten some PT. The game was lost. We have had piss poor coaching the entire season in every facet of the game. Every single part of the team needs fixed. We had a secondary with one junior and the rest seniors that looked like they hardly knew how to football the last two games.
We had an offense that looked like a Chinese fire drill. It is so disorganized it is laughable.
We have a kickoff receiving game that was ööööed up from the opening kickoff at UGAg - and every other game. Hell, we receive kickoffs and are lucky to run it out to the 20 every single time. Receive kick. Run to nearest defender. Go down.
We have a kickoff defense team where every single kickoff is returned for big yards. Same for our punt defense, although we have a big time punter he can out kick our cover guys who are really, really slow getting downfield - we have no gunner type player.

There is so much more. We are a very poorly coached team
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Yeah good comparison to the VT game. In that game, he hit Stewart across the middle. Against UGa, he had the same opportunity, and didn't even try to hit him. Strange.
 
If you want to understand the offense better you can see all the offensive plays labeled with the formation on youtube from several of the past games. Google tech every offensive play.
 
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