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The next three plays are the two plays before the first field goal and then the very next series GT gets the ball. This is the same play. The first is a blocking issue. The second is a pitching issue. The third they get the play right.



 
Still trying to get the basic plays down huh?
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
first 2 plays looked like ööööty blocking.
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The left tackle missed his assignment badly both times. The third play it looked like we switched up the blocking assignments and it worked.

BTW, go watch Parker Braun in all 3 plays.
 
Yukonwreck said:
plus four defenders against one blocker on the edge. USF had seen the film.
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yeah I just don't see how this *play* is 'offensive genius'. No wonder the talented schools on our schedule generally shut this type of play down. If a single guy misses an assignment or is beat, the play is almost certainly a big loss or possibly a turnover. And given that VPI, Clemson, Miami, mutts are generally more talented on the DL than we are upfront, 1+1 = loss of 6, 2nd and long.

Perhaps he should throw in a hard-fake-toss left by TQ and then spin and run right, though that wouldn't have worked on the 1st play either. I don't know - looks like a high-risk / low-reward play unless we're playing a cupcake.
 
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RamblinWreck92 said:
yeah I just don't see how this is 'offensive genius'. No wonder the talented schools on our schedule generally shut this type of play down. If a single guy misses an assignment or is beat, the play is almost certainly a big loss or possibly a turnover. And given that VPI, Clemson, Miami, mutts are generally more talented on the DL than we are upfront, 1+1 = loss of 6, 2nd and long.

Perhaps he should throw in a hard-fake-toss left by TQ and then spin and run right, though that wouldn't have worked on the 1st play either. I don't know - looks like a high-risk / low-reward play unless we're playing a cupcake.
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You realize we did this more than once vs USF, right?
 
18in32 said:
I think the "genius" lies in the total overall offensive production, not in the success or failure of a specific play found on the internet.
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you're right - I should've written "this play", not just "this". I just edited it - thank you.

We've never had problems generating yards against teams like USF. Unfortuntely, we've got at least 4 more games against teams with far greater D talent than USF on our schedule.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
yeah I just don't see how this is 'offensive genius'. No wonder the talented schools on our schedule generally shut this type of play down. If a single guy misses an assignment or is beat, the play is almost certainly a big loss or possibly a turnover. And given that VPI, Clemson, Miami, mutts are generally more talented on the DL than we are upfront, 1+1 = loss of 6, 2nd and long.

Perhaps he should throw in a hard-fake-toss left by TQ and then spin and run right, though that wouldn't have worked on the 1st play either. I don't know - looks like a high-risk / low-reward play unless we're playing a cupcake.
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Clemson is the only one of those teams you listed that we don't routinely run all over. They're just too damn good.

Here are our rushing totals vs. Miami the past 5 years:

2017 - 226 yds (dropped tremendously after Benson went out)
2016 - 267 yds
2015 - 314 yds (with Matthew Jordan at QB, Patrick Skov at BB, and freshman Clinton Lynch and defensive back Lynn Griffin at A-back)
2014 - 318 yds
2013 - 335 yds

I don't have time to do it, but if you look at UGA, FSU, or VPI games you'll see more of the same, including some 400+ yard games. I know specifically that we rushed for 400 yards three times against UGA. That is absurd. How the öööö is that possible if they are so much more talented than us (which I agree that they are)? It's because we routinely outscheme their defense with our offense. We still lose the game because we manage to öööö it up elsewhere, but that's another story altogether.

Basically we've got 99 problems, but using the option to create favorable blocking matchups ain't one.
 
It looks like the wrong playcall, or that usf had the right defensive call. You usually counter when the D is crashing hard on the motion. In none of those clips did the D move on the presnap motion.
 
johncu said:
Clemson is the only one of those teams you listed that we don't routinely run all over. They're just too damn good.

Here are our rushing totals vs. Miami the past 5 years:

2017 - 226 yds (dropped tremendously after Benson went out)
2016 - 267 yds
2015 - 314 yds (with Matthew Jordan at QB, Patrick Skov at BB, and freshman Clinton Lynch and defensive back Lynn Griffin at A-back)
2014 - 318 yds
2013 - 335 yds

I don't have time to do it, but if you look at UGA, FSU, or VPI games you'll see more of the same, including some 400+ yard games. I know specifically that we rushed for 400 yards three times against UGA. That is absurd. How the öööö is that possible if they are so much more talented than us (which I agree that they are)? It's because we routinely outscheme their defense with our offense. We still lose the game because we manage to öööö it up elsewhere, but that's another story altogether.

Basically we've got 99 problems, but using the option to create favorable blocking matchups ain't one.
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While you and I appear to be in the same 'don't throw the baby out with the bathwater' camp about CPJ at the moment, I will offer a frustration with your comments...

Of course we have ridiculously high rushing numbers.... that's all we do. If we want to measure the quality of CPJ's offense, its gotta be on a yards/play basis, or a points/possession basis, or at least total offensive production, combining rushing and passing.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
looks like it failed more often than it worked. And USF <> Miami, VPI, Clemson, mutts. And they still shut it down a few times.
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The counter off that motion worked and was responsible for a number of big plays. We even play actioned off it for the long TD pass, iirc. I literally have no clue how you get the takeaway that it didn't work and why you would say that after you yourself suggested doing it.
 
johncu said:
Clemson is the only one of those teams you listed that we don't routinely run all over. They're just too damn good.

Here are our rushing totals vs. Miami the past 5 years:

2017 - 226 yds (dropped tremendously after Benson went out)
2016 - 267 yds
2015 - 314 yds (with Matthew Jordan at QB, Patrick Skov at BB, and freshman Clinton Lynch and defensive back Lynn Griffin at A-back)
2014 - 318 yds
2013 - 335 yds

I don't have time to do it, but if you look at UGA, FSU, or VPI games you'll see more of the same, including some 400+ yard games. I know specifically that we rushed for 400 yards three times against UGA. That is absurd. How the öööö is that possible if they are so much more talented than us (which I agree that they are)? It's because we routinely outscheme their defense with our offense. We still lose the game because we manage to öööö it up elsewhere, but that's another story altogether.

Basically we've got 99 problems, but using the option to create favorable blocking matchups ain't one.
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Following up on my previous post, here are the S&P+ rankings for Tech during CPJ's tenure...

2008: 41
2009: 21
2010: 61
2011: 15
2012: 13
2013: 21
2014: 4
2015: 56
2016: 44
2017: 61

What they demonstrate is... (1) Al Groh! Arrgh! We really wasted a lot of good offense during those years. (2) We had a real drop off on offense the past three years. Offensive genius status in trouble...
 
It really, really does help in football to not slip or fall down when trying to block.
 
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