A Few Rambling About Our Team And Recruiting....

BainbridgeJacket said:
Because they're not predictive measures...they don't take into account anything that would be necessary to be predictive of future success such as matchups, the way in which the yards were gained, the relative tendencies of the teams on which the yards were gained, the correlation between yards/first downs/points, propensity to sustain drives, the list goes on. I'll repeat, it's an asinine measure that has a tendency of over predicting our success against teams with good athletes.

Literally no one is arguing that we should move the ball at will against UGA like we do against BGSU, but the football outsider measures don't explain why we didn't move the ball against UGA this year, but did in previous seasons with comparable rankings for our offense and their defense. In order to explain that, it requires understanding schemes, being able to look at tape, and ultimately being able to do more than look at a statistic and draw broad conclusions. OFEI doesn't win games.
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You started out saying confidently that "haha, you nerds said we had a top 25 offense," and now it's "you have to be a college football coach in order to say anything about offensive or defensive performance."

I guess what rubs me the wrong way is you started out with an extremely simple, narrow statistic (number of offensive touchdowns versus some teams but not others). Then you shoot down any advanced stats.

FEI looks at drives, while S&P+ looks play-by-play at both whether a play was success (such as gaining five yards on 1st down or 1 yard on 3rd and 1) and also on explosiveness. It may not "do more than look at a statistic," but öööö a team always has to gain yards and score points in order to beat another team.

Regardless, the #100 defense seems accurate if nothing else. We gave up five TDs in five possessions against UGA. Alabama or Oklahoma couldn't keep up with that.
 
GoldenIsle said:
I can't remember in my 61 years seeing a D-1 program totally inept at the forward pass. There is no excuse for that with a P-5 program. Heck, what kind of records would the 2014 & 2016 have had with zero passing threat. Hopefully James Graham will be the answer but he's got to have some WR's.
Also, if you don't see that our offensive system is a hindrance to recruiting defensive players then you are blind. It is not the Institute. Heck...Tenuta's "D" held UGA to under 20 points three years in a row. It is not the Institute's fault. A good coach with a good system can recruit at GT......PERIOD!
Finally, I don't know a thing about GT's President but I would be embarrassed to have any program from the Institute perform like GT did today. I would do whatever it took to remedy the problem. I'd have a little more pride than that.
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I agree if we can’t find someone who can throw the ball better than we have we’re not going to do very well Game in, game out. Marshall is a great kid and I do appreciate his effort. He is doing the best he can but he is not capable of throwing very well at all and if we don’t find someone who can, then we won’t get any better. We have to have a QB who can throw He doesn’t have to be a jake Fromm but has to be at least as good as Justin Thomas. We also need offensive linemen who can do a tittle pass blocking. That skill can be taught so that’s 100 percent coaching.
 
floridajacket said:
You started out saying confidently that "haha, you nerds said we had a top 25 offense," and now it's "you have to be a college football coach in order to say anything about offensive or defensive performance."

I guess what rubs me the wrong way is you started out with an extremely simple, narrow statistic (number of offensive touchdowns versus some teams but not others). Then you shoot down any advanced stats.

FEI looks at drives, while S&P+ looks play-by-play at both whether a play was success (such as gaining five yards on 1st down or 1 yard on 3rd and 1) and also on explosiveness. It may not "do more than look at a statistic," but öööö a team always has to gain yards and score points in order to beat another team.

Regardless, the #100 defense seems accurate if nothing else. We gave up five TDs in five possessions against UGA. Alabama or Oklahoma couldn't keep up with that.
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Lol, ok clearly you still think we're a good offense. Misquote me, still don't get the point... Whatever you say, buddy... Lolol.
 
BainbridgeJacket said:
Lol, ok clearly you still think we're a good offense. Misquote me, still don't get the point... Whatever you say, buddy... Lolol.
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I don't know how "good" #28 offense is, at least by criteria of moving the ball on UGA. Most teams have had big issues doing that.
 
Our offense stunk it up yesterday, our defense stunk it yesterday. The offense though over the total season was better than our defense, and by a pretty significant margin. I thought when Ted left Woody would bring some aggressiveness that we haven't had since Tenuta left, but regrettably we didn't have good blitz designs, we played soft coverage even while rushing 3. And finally the most unforgiveable is how pathetic we tackled. We can blame TM for his passing but PJ does not do a good job of scripting plays that he can make. Didn't everyone like the screen pass to Howard? When you are down 31 points at the half knowing full well it will require something imaginative we go on a long clock grinding drive on UGA's back ups. Whooptie do! Put the QB in the gun and start slinging. PJ has to incorporate some kind of hurry up offense, but he is so damn stubborn about his offense. THWG IWII!
 
I have no idea what OFEI is, but I do know UMASS had about 400 yards of total offense against UGA and we had about 200.
 
How do you put the QB in the gun and sling it when the QB can't sling it? if Tech did that then the score probably would have been 100-7.
 
savbandjacket said:
If I weren’t so depressed over it, I would.

Every gap in play was met with uga heroes being introduced and the band would on cue play the fight song after the intro. The music was used to disrupt the game and charge the crowd, but not played over the uga band or fan cheers that were already going.

We have more tradition and things to brag about than that pos cow college. Every break in play needs to be about that stuff rather than free shirts thrown out, dance cams, find the French fry, or whatever other stupid öööö we do to squeeze a dime out of some sponsor.
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I went to the Carolina Panthers game on Sunday, and that's what they do - every play on defense has one of their players on the big screen telling the stadium they own 3rd down, and they need the fans's help. Mixed in with legends videos and some dancers.
 
savbandjacket said:
Every gap in play was met with uga heroes being introduced and the band would on cue play the fight song after the intro. The music was used to disrupt the game and charge the crowd, but not played over the uga band or fan cheers that were already going.

We have more tradition and things to brag about than that pos cow college. Every break in play needs to be about that stuff rather than free shirts thrown out, dance cams, find the French fry, or whatever other stupid öööö we do to squeeze a dime out of some sponsor.
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All fair points, but let me rail on them for a minute anyway.

The U[sic]GA stuff isn't really even among the best in-game production I saw in our road games this year. It's trite, it's played-out (Munson's rambling speech that ends with "Go Dwags," like that's some kind of impressive battle cry), it's banal (way too many close-ups of that stupid dog's face). Their whole production is set up to try to lend weight and importance to a program that's mostly devoid of meaningful history or tradition (borrowed logo, fight song stolen from the Union army of all things, bushes beside the field like half of the SEC). It works because their inbred, idiot fans have never been to a game outside of Athens, so they really think that all that crap they do is special and unique. (Last year when they played in Atlanta, I was in the concession line before the game. Some slack-jawed yokel kid comes running up to his mom in the line in front of me - "hurry up, maw, they's about to play 'Glory, Glory'!" He came back and showed her a cell phone recording of it, as if that was the most magnificent sight he'd ever beheld.)

It was impressive how well they've conditioned their fans to make noise on demand, though. Several times on Saturday, the stadium was quiet when we were on offense, and then one of the defenders flapped his arms and IMMEDIATELY they all started yelling. God only knows how many food pellets they had to distribute before everybody was sufficiently trained.

Credit where it's due, though - having the TV timeout guy holding a sign with a timer counting down how much time is left in the break is a clever idea that I haven't seen anywhere else. Wish we'd do something like that. (Not really sure why you couldn't just put that in an overlay box on the jumbotron, now that I think about it: "Media timeout: 2:18 remaining" or something like that.)

JRjr
 
vapspwi said:
All fair points, but let me rail on them for a minute anyway.

The U[sic]GA stuff isn't really even among the best in-game production I saw in our road games this year. It's trite, it's played-out (Munson's rambling speech that ends with "Go Dwags," like that's some kind of impressive battle cry), it's banal (way too many close-ups of that stupid dog's face). Their whole production is set up to try to lend weight and importance to a program that's mostly devoid of meaningful history or tradition (borrowed logo, fight song stolen from the Union army of all things, bushes beside the field like half of the SEC). It works because their inbred, idiot fans have never been to a game outside of Athens, so they really think that all that crap they do is special and unique. (Last year when they played in Atlanta, I was in the concession line before the game. Some slack-jawed yokel kid comes running up to his mom in the line in front of me - "hurry up, maw, they's about to play 'Glory, Glory'!" He came back and showed her a cell phone recording of it, as if that was the most magnificent sight he'd ever beheld.)

It was impressive how well they've conditioned their fans to make noise on demand, though. Several times on Saturday, the stadium was quiet when we were on offense, and then one of the defenders flapped his arms and IMMEDIATELY they all started yelling. God only knows how many food pellets they had to distribute before everybody was sufficiently trained.

Credit where it's due, though - having the TV timeout guy holding a sign with a timer counting down how much time is left in the break is a clever idea that I haven't seen anywhere else. Wish we'd do something like that. (Not really sure why you couldn't just put that in an overlay box on the jumbotron, now that I think about it: "Media timeout: 2:18 remaining" or something like that.)

JRjr
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I wasn’t so much talking about the tradition stuff as I am production quality. They had it down in terms of timing - there was no 5 minute gap of silence while the band stands and waits for the team to come out. That was all filled by loud as hell content that got people worked up.

Tv timeouts were blah blah blah about someone at uga followed by loud as öööö music to play over our huddle coming out of the timeout.

Third downs were ear splitting and I don’t mean the fans.
 
BackstreetBuzz said:
I have no idea what OFEI is, but I do know UMASS had about 400 yards of total offense against UGA and we had about 200.
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A bored "looking ahead" team in a lackluster stadium with a crowd who's barely paying attention in a game against an opponent no one even cares about vs your in-state rival in a hyped stadium you love to annihilate whenever possible - yeah this comparison tells us nothing useful...
 
vapspwi said:
All fair points, but let me rail on them for a minute anyway.

Credit where it's due, though - having the TV timeout guy holding a sign with a timer counting down how much time is left in the break is a clever idea that I haven't seen anywhere else. Wish we'd do something like that. (Not really sure why you couldn't just put that in an overlay box on the jumbotron, now that I think about it: "Media timeout: 2:18 remaining" or something like that.)

JRjr
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I went to a game in Tuscaloosa earlier this year and they do the same thing there. Makes the TV timeouts a little more bearable.
 
Would it be correct to say that the 3O is a solid/consistent offense but has a low potential to overcome the best defenses? In other words, we might be able to roll over "average" defenses more times than not but when we face a really good/dominant/talented defense we don't have a chance and look frankly impotent. Without a solid passing option we are actually extremely limited and one dimensional. We are never going to beat a team with a top 10 defense unless they make tons of mistakes or they don't even practice against the option. (There's that mythical Miss State win again.)
 
ramblinwise1 said:
...the 3O is a solid/consistent offense but has a low potential to overcome the best defenses? ....when we face a really good/dominant/talented defense we don't have a chance and look frankly impotent. We are never going to beat a team with a top 10 defense unless they make tons of mistakes....)
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Most offenses have low potential to overcome the best defenses.
Most offenses look impotent when facing a dominant defense.
Most offenses won't beat a top 10 defense unless that defense makes a ton of mistakes.

Point being....It's not just GT. In other words...uG & Clemson aren't the barometer to measure us by.
 
vapspwi said:
All fair points, but let me rail on them for a minute anyway.

The U[sic]GA stuff isn't really even among the best in-game production I saw in our road games this year. It's trite, it's played-out (Munson's rambling speech that ends with "Go Dwags," like that's some kind of impressive battle cry), it's banal (way too many close-ups of that stupid dog's face). Their whole production is set up to try to lend weight and importance to a program that's mostly devoid of meaningful history or tradition (borrowed logo, fight song stolen from the Union army of all things, bushes beside the field like half of the SEC). It works because their inbred, idiot fans have never been to a game outside of Athens, so they really think that all that crap they do is special and unique. (Last year when they played in Atlanta, I was in the concession line before the game. Some slack-jawed yokel kid comes running up to his mom in the line in front of me - "hurry up, maw, they's about to play 'Glory, Glory'!" He came back and showed her a cell phone recording of it, as if that was the most magnificent sight he'd ever beheld.)

It was impressive how well they've conditioned their fans to make noise on demand, though. Several times on Saturday, the stadium was quiet when we were on offense, and then one of the defenders flapped his arms and IMMEDIATELY they all started yelling. God only knows how many food pellets they had to distribute before everybody was sufficiently trained.

Credit where it's due, though - having the TV timeout guy holding a sign with a timer counting down how much time is left in the break is a clever idea that I haven't seen anywhere else. Wish we'd do something like that. (Not really sure why you couldn't just put that in an overlay box on the jumbotron, now that I think about it: "Media timeout: 2:18 remaining" or something like that.)

JRjr
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Considering UGA filled up half of South Bend and Pasadena and Baton Rouge and Jacksonville I don’t think I’d say they’ve never been outside Athens. I’d worry about filling up Bobby Dodd before I disparage UGA fans but hey, that’s what we do. Condescending attitudes towards everyone, including Maw.
 
joeye said:
Most offenses have low potential to overcome the best defenses.
Most offenses look impotent when facing a dominant defense.
Most offenses won't beat a top 10 defense unless that defense makes a ton of mistakes.

Point being....It's not just GT. In other words...uG & Clemson aren't the barometer to measure us by.
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You're missing my point I think. Chan pulled off more upsets in 7 years than Pawl has in 11...
 
hvacENGR said:
Considering UGA filled up half of South Bend and Pasadena and Baton Rouge and Jacksonville I don’t think I’d say they’ve never been outside Athens. I’d worry about filling up Bobby Dodd before I disparage UGA fans but hey, that’s what we do. Condescending attitudes towards everyone, including Maw.
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Oh, we needed more U[sic]GA apologists. Glad you decided to start posting this week.

JRjr
 
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