To be fair

I don't accept your acceptance of guaranteed mediocrity. We have a losing record in-conference the last 4 years. That may count as winning football to you, but I want more.

Offensive stats are more important to some than others, esp. if there are a few Loserville blowouts tossed in. The same ones bemoaning CPJ's quitting on us are the ones who have completely given up ever having a chance against Clemson or the mutts again. I blame CPJ - it's what happens after a decade of IIWII football. I knew that getting rid of the stench of mediocrity will be as hard as recruiting for the next HC.
 
The state of Georgia has approximately 40 blue-chip recruits—an 11% national share—in a given year. Florida has a staggering 65, or a 17.8% share. Three of the four playoff teams last year had the desired "blue chip ratio," defined as half a roster bearing four- or five-star ratings. (This is based on an article from February, and I'm assuming it's accurate.)

Tech would love to climb into that top bracket, like everybody else. But a more immediate goal would be to climb into the Top 25 bracket, which gets them into position for more. That step wouldn't require any miracle, but it would make a huge difference in perception. Tech has been getting very occasional blue-chips. Currently, according to Rivals, 15 of 17 commitments are three-star; the other two are two-star. And three-stars are bread and butter for a top 25 team. But you need a few difference makers to be in position to win the biggest games.

I know the hype-driven "star" fixation is tedious for many, obsessed over by others. Let's just say Collins needs to at least slightly raise the production level in getting that game-changing talent. Even five four-stars would make a difference, and you build from there. After three years, you have fifteen elite contributors on your roster. Almost thirty friggin' percent of the nation's blue chip talent is in geographical reach. Sure, it's highly competitive; you run into three or four distant assistant coaches at the grocery store. But it's criminal negligence to bat .000 or thereabouts. I figure Collins targets the sub-group out of the top layer, those who would show interest in a Tech education and playing in Atlanta. I've read people explain away Chan's 2007 class here; I don't know whether it was a fluke or not, but it's fairly recent history and if it could be annually duplicated, with outstanding effort by Collins and his assistants, 2009 is the indicator of what can happen (I know that was a triple option team, but it was a highly athletic one).
Hate to say it, but the mutt is spot on. There's no sense in conceding local talent to SEC programs like Ole Miss, Tennessee and South Carolina who couldn't stick a finger up their butt with both hands, and be content to pilfer AAC teams' recruits a week before signing day, and pretend it's all because of 'academics'. Especially when we can get a lot more for our efforts in the ACC Coastal.
 
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But we're in Ga and in Atlanta to boot, that alone says we should be in the Top20 every yr in Recruiting

My theory is that there are more academic qualifiers out there than the pro-CPJ crowd is willing to admit to and now that we got Coach G on the job, he's gonna start bringing them in

Maybe I'm overly optimistic

maybe not top-20 but surely we should be in the top 40 more often than we were, or ever were going to be, under CPJ.
 
Geoff Collins' recruiting classes at Temple were ranked worse than Matt Rhule's classes at Temple. Why?
 
Geoff Collins' recruiting classes at Temple were ranked worse than Matt Rhule's classes at Temple. Why?
No they weren't. The 2017 class was in the middle of a coaching transition. You can't count that against either coach. Collins first class was ranked about like Rhules, and the class he had so far would've ranked about like Rhules 2nd full year. . . Per Rivals .
 
Geoff Collins' recruiting classes at Temple were ranked worse than Matt Rhule's classes at Temple. Why?

Not sure. Why are Matt Rhule's classes at a rebuilding Baylor program better than Paul Johnson's classes at Tech?

Hell, some of Rhule's classes at Temple were better than PJ's at Tech.
 
No they weren't. The 2017 class was in the middle of a coaching transition. You can't count that against either coach. Collins first class was ranked about like Rhules, and the class he had so far would've ranked about like Rhules 2nd full year. . . Per Rivals .

Also, Rhule had been at Temple for years and had contacts. Collins had worked in the South his whole career.
 
So Geoff Collins isn't far and away a better recruiter than Matt Rhule. I'm glad we've got that established.
 
Geoff Collins' recruiting classes at Temple were ranked worse than Matt Rhule's classes at Temple. Why?

So I went back and looked at Rivals recruiting class rankings and their rankings don't support your assertion. I looked at Matt Rhule's recruiting classes (class of 2014 59th, 2015 72nd, 2016 59th, 2017 somewhere worse than 99th) and Collins's two classes (2018 76th and 2019 56th). Collins first class was poor but better by far than Rhule's last. But this class he had been working on was ranked higher than any of the ones Rhule had.

Rivals right now has our class rated pretty well. I think with the kind of support CPJ has finally gotten (and I wish he had gotten it much sooner as I love a good spread option running offense and I have tremendous respect for CPJ) and indications are that will only increase, Geoff Collins should be a very solid recruiter here. Of course that's just my opinion and we'll have to see if that turns into reality.
 
So Geoff Collins isn't far and away a better recruiter than Matt Rhule. I'm glad we've got that established.


We'll see. Baylor, within the last few years anyway, is around that 40 to 25 ranking. It'll be interesting to check back in a few years to see their respective +/- at their new stops.
 
So I went back and looked at Rivals recruiting class rankings and their rankings don't support your assertion. I looked at Matt Rhule's recruiting classes (class of 2014 59th, 2015 72nd, 2016 59th, 2017 somewhere worse than 99th) and Collins's two classes (2018 76th and 2019 56th). Collins first class was poor but better by far than Rhule's last. But this class he had been working on was ranked higher than any of the ones Rhule had.
I used the 247 rankings, which showed Rhule had slightly better classes. The 2017 class was technically Collins' first class, but since it's in the transition I wouldn't hold it against either coach.
 
Per 247sports, University of Minnesota's recent recruiting rankings are:

National
2017: 59
2018: 38
Projected 2019: 35

Big 10
2017: 12
2018: 7
Projected 2019: 8

I wonder if their ardent fans feel this is respectable?
 
You don't have to drink any koolaid, but no need to be critical of the new coach without even a single game. Give him a few seasons.

Do you even Stingtalk? He gets one game.

"Few seasons," lol.
 
That’s new data for me. I did not see 2019 ranking for Temple and 59th is not bad... but the data above does not show a recruiting genius. Breaking into the 40s or 30s would have been amazing recruiting. I am not saying he is a bad recruiter and I think he may improve recruiting a little. Matching uga or even consistent top 25 is one hell of a tall order and outside many years of history at GT. I think the whole reason we went to the option was to give GT an edge given recruiting difficulty.... I know, so many 4 and 5 star players wanted to come to GT so bad, but the option turned them off.
 
Temple is not hamstrung at its level. I would expect it to recruit right where is has been.
 
I used the 247 rankings, which showed Rhule had slightly better classes. The 2017 class was technically Collins' first class, but since it's in the transition I wouldn't hold it against either coach.

I don't assign the incoming coach credit or responsibility for the class that was in play. So that's why I didn't include 2017 for him or 2013 to Matt Rhule (which Rivals had rated 84th). It seems clear from the similarity of ranking that they both did a pretty decent job at Temple which is not known for its football program and doesn't even have a stadium of their own.

What has me excited about Geoff, and this is not meant as a comparison to CPJ, is that I feel like he gets the uniqueness of GT as an advantage and not a disadvantage (as I think so many of our fans seem to think). I also feel like he is going to benefit from the increased resources that our AD is working on and that CPJ was starting to benefit from slowly. So Geoff will benefit from a lot of the hard work that CPJ has put in over the years to get our ADs to pony up more resources.
 
Recruiting has been about the same for quite a while... maybe CGC can change it...


It will be a miracle if CGC averages better than 35, but for me that would be the goal. I won't even dare to dream about top 25, except for a rare class, balanced out by some classes in the 40's.
 
My hope, as the mutt stated, is we get 4 to 5 4 stars or more per class. We should get get a couple just buy leaving the option. Then if we see results on the field add a few per class. Success breeds success and kids these days are all in contact via social media. My hope for Collins is he can get the high school players excited to want to come to GT and over the course of the next 4 years we become a viable alternative for Georgia players rather than watching them leave the state to schools that haven’t done anything in 50 years (looking at Miss St., Ole Miss, South Carolina, UNC, NC State, etc). With FSU and Auburn trending down this could be our chance to turn the perception. UGA and Bama can’t take them all.
 
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