James Graham in the portal

[CarsonNewmanJacket]

To me he's been able to make the short/intermediate throws much better and been able to find 2nd, 3rd option receivers. James never could make the touch passes, only throw the deep ball, and seemed to only look for one target. And nobody here is hating on James from what I've seen. I appreciate everything he's given the program and wish we could find a place to use him but it seems he has his mind made up to play QB and that's what he wants to pursue, so I wish him luck.

And here is this from earlier in the year comparing Graham to Ham

 

[GoGATech]

I would rather go with QB B. As you can see, while he has a lower completion percentage, he has thrown the least amount of INTs. Turnovers are momentum killers, especially from the QB position.

LOL. That's all I need to know then. Do you realize about half of Sims interceptions were on tipped passes or because he was hit as he threw? You apparently have some sort of love-fest going for JG. I think everybody here likes the guy plenty and is appreciative of what he did here, but he is not the right QB for this style of offense. Why don't you look up how many successful QBs there are out there with less than 50% completion rate.

 

[CarsonNewmanJacket]

LOL. That's all I need to know then. Do you realize about half of Sims interceptions were on tipped passes or because he was hit as he threw? You apparently have some sort of love-fest going for JG. I think everybody here likes the guy plenty and is appreciative of what he did here, but he is not the right QB for this style of offense. Why don't you look up how many successful QBs there are out there with less than 50% completion rate.

And look up how many successful QBs there are that throw more picks than TDs. Tipped or not. Most of those tips are from poor pocket awareness and sitting back there for 10 seconds

 

[GoGATech]

And here is this from earlier in the year comparing Graham to Ham

That is leaving out key stats, once again. You can't just cherry pick stats dumbass. For that matter, we should let Ahmarean Brown be the QB because he has 100% completion rate with 100% of his passes being for TD's and zero interceptions.

 

[CarsonNewmanJacket]

LOL. That's all I need to know then. Do you realize about half of Sims interceptions were on tipped passes or because he was hit as he threw? You apparently have some sort of love-fest going for JG. I think everybody here likes the guy plenty and is appreciative of what he did here, but he is not the right QB for this style of offense. Why don't you look up how many successful QBs there are out there with less than 50% completion rate.

Plus keep in mind how graham didn’t even get to start until halfway into the season. Last year. There was that whole carousel of Oliver and Johnson.

 

[GoGATech]

And look up how many successful QBs there are that throw more picks than TDs. Tipped or not. Most of those tips are from poor pocket awareness and sitting back there for 10 seconds

I suggest you re-watch then. Sorry dude but you are completely wrong on this one.

 

[CarsonNewmanJacket]

That is leaving out key stats, once again. You can't just cherry pick stats dumbass. For that matter, we should let Ahmarean Brown be the QB because he has 100% completion rate with 100% of his passes being for TD's and zero interceptions.

Ok, let’s see then. 12 TDS and 7 INTs through the same amount of games that Sims did. A worse receiving core, a not as electric running back that the defense has to watch for, etc. we are much better at the skill positions rn, which should in turn lead to greater QB success would it not?

 

[GoGATech]

No. We have spent the last 2+ years with people talking about how bad Johnson's recruits are and how bad the current roster is because of Johnson's recruits.

Across the board yes the roster was bad. And not necessarily bad players but a bad fit. We had zero TE's, zero true QB's, WR's weren't developing like they would in a normal offense, OL wasn't developing like they would in a normal offense. Nobody ever said "every one of CGC's recruits is better than every one of CPJ's."

 

[knoxjacket]

Much like 99% of the guys that transfer out from Tech he will end up doing nothing.

 

[GoGATech]

Ok, let’s see then. 12 TDS and 7 INTs through the same amount of games that Sims did. A worse receiving core, a not as electric running back that the defense has to watch for, etc. we are much better at the skill positions rn, which should in turn lead to greater QB success would it not?

Nice try but those stats came in 11 games. Only one of those games did he not throw a TD or INT. ND was the only game so far that Jeff hasn't thrown a TD pass and he didn't throw an INT that game either. JG had 3 games without a TD pass in 2019, 2 were starts and threw interceptions in those games. One of his TDs was the trash time TD against Clemson

 

[CarsonNewmanJacket]

Nice try but those stats came in 11 games. Only one of those games did he not throw a TD or INT. ND was the only game so far that Jeff hasn't thrown a TD pass and he didn't throw an INT that game either. JG had 3 games without a TD pass in 2019, 2 were starts and threw interceptions in those games. One of his TDs was the trash time TD against Clemson

Right, and last year graham only played 11 games... and he only started in 8.... he put up more TDs in 8 starts compared to Sims starting in all 11
Edit: sims and Graham have comparable amounts of starts. Graham had 8 and sims has 7 as of right now.

 

[Yukonwreck]

And look up how many successful QBs there are that throw more picks than TDs. Tipped or not. Most of those tips are from poor pocket awareness and sitting back there for 10 seconds

The coaches put Sims in the line up knowing he was very green and would throw many picks from the start. True freshman, no OL, etc. It was a sign that Yates, Gleason, and Graham were not ready either. The hype in the offseason and into the fall was that we had four capable qb's and it would be difficult to pick a starter. That was obviously caca de toro. The coaches get less impressive every single day.

 

[GoGATech]

Right, and last year graham only played 11 games... and he only started in 8.... he put up more TDs in 8 starts compared to Sims starting in all 11
Edit: sims and Graham have comparable amounts of starts. Graham had 8 and sims has 7 as of right now.

That's what im saying. Graham's numbers came in 11 games. You cant take any of them away except maybe one because USF game was the only game he didnt have a TD or INT. Joe Hams stats were in 11 games. And Jeffs stats are only thru 7.

 

[CarsonNewmanJacket]

The coaches put Sims in the line up knowing he was very green and would throw many picks from the start. True freshman, no OL, etc. It was a sign that Yates, Gleason, and Graham were not ready either. The hype in the offseason and into the fall was that we had four capable qb's and it would be difficult to pick a starter. That was obviously caca de toro. The coaches get less impressive every single day.

wait, so graham with an arguably worse offense last year wasn’t green? He had a worse receiving core and a worse running back to take the load off his shoulders.

 

[CarsonNewmanJacket]

That's what im saying. Graham's numbers came in 11 games. You cant take any of them away except maybe one because USF game was the only game he didnt have a TD or INT. Joe Hams stats were in 11 games. And Jeffs stats are only thru 7.

Again... 8 starts... compared to 7 starts... go ahead and take 1 TD off for graham. He still threw more TDs and less picks...

 

[GTLiebs]

The coaches put Sims in the line up knowing he was very green and would throw many picks from the start. True freshman, no OL, etc. It was a sign that Yates, Gleason, and Graham were not ready either. The hype in the offseason and into the fall was that we had four capable qb's and it would be difficult to pick a starter. That was obviously caca de toro. The coaches get less impressive every single day.

This is one the most Georgia Tech comments I have read. "Sims wasn't picked because he looked a lot better, its cause he was bad but everyone else had to of been even worse!"

 

[GTROY]

James Graham is a classy kid, and I really hope he goes to a good program, develops his game, graduates, and is successful in whatever he does. He has a lot of arm strength, and the deep ball really helped us at times last year. We wouldn't have beaten Miami without it.

That being said - It is obvious both from a statistical point of view and the eyeball test that Sims is a superior QB today and likely has a higher long-term upside. Anything else is picking specific stats that back up a preconceived point of view. The overall rating is intended to cut through those biases.

You might say that Graham wasn't given enough chances this year (possibly fair), or that he was misused (also possibly fair), but we as fans have too many blind spots to really prove out any of those hypotheses.

 

[GoGATech]

Again... 8 starts... compared to 7 starts... go ahead and take 1 TD off for graham. He still threw more TDs and less picks...

Dude you are being dense. That's cherry picking stats. If you're gonna say "but he only started 8 games" then take away ALL of his stats those other 3 games. Thats 15 completions and 200 passing yards. You can't judge a QB on TD/INT rate alone. It also doesn't matter that his TD rate is higher than INTs if he's only throwing 12 TDs in 11 games. So yeah Jeff needs to improve there 100% agree but he's better than JG and even Joe Ham as a freshman everywhere else across the board.

 

[smokey_wasp]

Dude you are being dense. That's cherry picking stats. If you're gonna say "but he only started 8 games" then take away ALL of his stats those other 3 games. Thats 15 completions and 200 passing yards. You can't judge a QB on TD/INT rate alone. It also doesn't matter that his TD rate is higher than INTs if he's only throwing 12 TDs in 11 games. So yeah Jeff needs to improve there 100% agree but he's better than JG and even Joe Ham as a freshman everywhere else across the board.

Yeah, thanks for bringing the stats. Anyone who was impressed with JG as a redshirt freshman has got to be over the moon excited about Sims as a true freshman. If not, I smell an agenda.

 

[Tampa Jacket]

Mistake. He needs to stay at GT and get his degree and collect 6 figures in 5-6 years as a professional. If he can’t make a first string position on our roster this year I’d say the chances he’s able to make another P5 first string are 50/50 at best. And the chances he’s able to make an NFL roster in 2-3 years is 1/100. But I hope he proves me wrong!