Saban v. Jimbo

18in32 said:
I wonder if the posters on this board think there are any successful football teams that don't cheat? And if they'd think that GT cheats if we were successful?
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There are no successful football teams that don’t cheat.

The problem is the NCAA has a double standard. It’s OK for Georgia, Bama, and Ohio State to cheat. But if you’re Ole Miss, Georgia Tech, or even Notre Dame, you better stay in your lane, dot your i’s and cross your t’s or they will slap you upside the head and make you take down championship banner over a silly T-shirt.

Georgia Tech couldn’t cheat if we even wanted to.
 
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The NCAA had ample time and opportunity to share some wealth with players in such a way that would have appeased players and kicked the can down the road regarding compensation. They should have settled the O’Bannon case by giving a significant amount of E-game revenue to the athletes. They should have eased rules to allow compensation for travel home and given opportunity for work. Instead they lawyered up and played hardball to keep the real money for themselves, coaches, and athletic departments. Now, judicial and legislative decisions have blown everything up.

Now, the NCAA wants to pretend they can still enforce rules in the new world, maintaining you still cannot be paid for play. That’s absurd. No one can draw a reasonable line of distinction between NIL income going to a player primarily because the player plays for a certain school. Saban wants all the NIL money pooled and evenly distributed for locker room harmony. That is not how he divides up coaching salaries. He resents Texas A$M being able to overcome Alabama’s recruiting advantage with cash. He is really frightened that Deion Sanders has shown a top recruit can make money at an HBCU. If black athletes wanted to work together with these schools, the very best college football and basketball players could end up at these schools, the next TV deals might send the biggest cash to Jackson State- Grambling. It could happen.

What to do? Admit the genie is out of the bottle and declare NCAA control over college football and basketball over. Now, players are independent workers who make money beyond their scholarships through their NIL. There is no need to cap this, apportion this, or over regulate this. Let them sign with agents, use help from schools, and make all the money they can.

Look to professional leagues for guidance. No more signing LOIs, sign contracts. They do not have to be guaranteed for more than a year. Keep everything above board. Regulate the portal just as the pros regulate the start and close of free agency. Allow schools to replenish depleted rosters to an agreed upon number, somewhere between 65-85 for football and 12-15 for basketball.

Leagues may re-form based on the magnitude of their overall level of compensation to athletes. But, you are never again going to be able to legally prevent an athlete from having financial control over their own name, image and likeness. That day is over, from Notre Dame to Slippery Rock. Use the pros to show you how you can use legal contracts to help protect the health and integrity of your sport in a world where athletes can be entrepreneurs and enjoy regulated free agency.
 
77GTFan said:
The NCAA had ample time and opportunity to share some wealth with players in such a way that would have appeased players and kicked the can down the road regarding compensation. They should have settled the O’Bannon case by giving a significant amount of E-game revenue to the athletes. They should have eased rules to allow compensation for travel home and given opportunity for work. Instead they lawyered up and played hardball to keep the real money for themselves, coaches, and athletic departments. Now, judicial and legislative decisions have blown everything up.

Now, the NCAA wants to pretend they can still enforce rules in the new world, maintaining you still cannot be paid for play. That’s absurd. No one can draw a reasonable line of distinction between NIL income going to a player primarily because the player plays for a certain school. Saban wants all the NIL money pooled and evenly distributed for locker room harmony. That is not how he divides up coaching salaries. He resents Texas A$M being able to overcome Alabama’s recruiting advantage with cash. He is really frightened that Deion Sanders has shown a top recruit can make money at an HBCU. If black athletes wanted to work together with these schools, the very best college football and basketball players could end up at these schools, the next TV deals might send the biggest cash to Jackson State- Grambling. It could happen.

What to do? Admit the genie is out of the bottle and declare NCAA control over college football and basketball over. Now, players are independent workers who make money beyond their scholarships through their NIL. There is no need to cap this, apportion this, or over regulate this. Let them sign with agents, use help from schools, and make all the money they can.

Look to professional leagues for guidance. No more signing LOIs, sign contracts. They do not have to be guaranteed for more than a year. Keep everything above board. Regulate the portal just as the pros regulate the start and close of free agency. Allow schools to replenish depleted rosters to an agreed upon number, somewhere between 65-85 for football and 12-15 for basketball.

Leagues may re-form based on the magnitude of their overall level of compensation to athletes. But, you are never again going to be able to legally prevent an athlete from having financial control over their own name, image and likeness. That day is over, from Notre Dame to Slippery Rock. Use the pros to show you how you can use legal contracts to help protect the health and integrity of your sport in a world where athletes can be entrepreneurs and enjoy regulated free agency.
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Imagine professional sports without drafts or salary caps. Where the big money teams would win championships just about every year and small market teams wouldn’t stand a chance.

That’s where we are now.
 
77GTFan said:
The NCAA had ample time and opportunity to share some wealth with players in such a way that would have appeased players and kicked the can down the road regarding compensation. They should have settled the O’Bannon case by giving a significant amount of E-game revenue to the athletes. They should have eased rules to allow compensation for travel home and given opportunity for work. Instead they lawyered up and played hardball to keep the real money for themselves, coaches, and athletic departments. Now, judicial and legislative decisions have blown everything up.

Now, the NCAA wants to pretend they can still enforce rules in the new world, maintaining you still cannot be paid for play. That’s absurd. No one can draw a reasonable line of distinction between NIL income going to a player primarily because the player plays for a certain school. Saban wants all the NIL money pooled and evenly distributed for locker room harmony. That is not how he divides up coaching salaries. He resents Texas A$M being able to overcome Alabama’s recruiting advantage with cash. He is really frightened that Deion Sanders has shown a top recruit can make money at an HBCU. If black athletes wanted to work together with these schools, the very best college football and basketball players could end up at these schools, the next TV deals might send the biggest cash to Jackson State- Grambling. It could happen.

What to do? Admit the genie is out of the bottle and declare NCAA control over college football and basketball over. Now, players are independent workers who make money beyond their scholarships through their NIL. There is no need to cap this, apportion this, or over regulate this. Let them sign with agents, use help from schools, and make all the money they can.

Look to professional leagues for guidance. No more signing LOIs, sign contracts. They do not have to be guaranteed for more than a year. Keep everything above board. Regulate the portal just as the pros regulate the start and close of free agency. Allow schools to replenish depleted rosters to an agreed upon number, somewhere between 65-85 for football and 12-15 for basketball.

Leagues may re-form based on the magnitude of their overall level of compensation to athletes. But, you are never again going to be able to legally prevent an athlete from having financial control over their own name, image and likeness. That day is over, from Notre Dame to Slippery Rock. Use the pros to show you how you can use legal contracts to help protect the health and integrity of your sport in a world where athletes can be entrepreneurs and enjoy regulated free agency.
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What does college football have to do with college in your scenario?
 
1982Jacket said:
What does college football have to do with college in your scenario?
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Not much. But, that has been in question for some time. I would imagine full time enrollment would still be required for athletes in order to compete. If they choose to use the opportunity provided to benefit from their education, good for them.
 
77GTFan said:
Not much. But, that has been in question for some time. I would imagine full time enrollment would still be required for athletes in order to compete. If they choose to use the opportunity provided to benefit from their education, good for them.
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I do not believe that enrollment in college should be required for professional athletes. College courses have zero connection with one's ability to ball. And it is discriminatory.
 
When things could be done "under the table" more, UA, over the years, had perfected their methods. Also, honestly, sa(t)an had an extreme advantage due to his NFL contacts giving him letters to show his recruits about how players would be evaluated if they played in Nick's program, especially on the D side of the ball. So, in many cases, a lot of "greasing" the palms was not as necessary at Bammer since Nick's proven draft success rates.

Now, with NIL, the best players see a way of setting themselves up for life, whether they ever get to play an NFL game, so that has become more of their focus vs. just the NFL draft success. This brings other teams into an advantage, depending on their alumni and $$. This makes sa(t)an mad because he cannot control the talking points anymore.

In regards to what Jimbo said about Nick and other former assistants' opinion of him, I can verify that I have met personally 1 former assistant's wife, and she stated that although they appreciated working for Nick because of the opportunities it had provided them for her husband's careers, they would NEVER work for him again, as he is a mercenary who cares very little about them or their families. She described a time when Nick did not understand her husband having to attend a family funeral during the season. It kind of goes along with the story about an injured player in the locker room at Miami that was on the floor riving in pain, and Nick supposedly walked right past him (the story said "over him") without even acknowledging his need for assistance, and he just continued to his office, ignoring the player. My belief has always been that NS is a micro-managing mercenary who cares about NS - he is a great at what he has done, which is basically recruiting and administration, but his actual game coaching ability when he faces teams with close to equal talent or more talent is not really that superior.

Jimbo knows that sa(t)an as always had a superior talent advantage, and he is calling out the hypocritical nature of NS now that maybe he won't have it to the same level anymore. FYI - I don't like JF either, but I do understand his frustration at NS.
 
1982Jacket said:
I do not believe that enrollment in college should be required for professional athletes. College courses have zero connection with one's ability to ball. And it is discriminatory.
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If they don’t have to enroll in classes then why should they be allowed to wear a uniform that represents the college? What is the connection with the college?

I hear what you’re saying. And I agree with you. In an ideal world there would be minor league NFL professional football that would be completely unaffiliated with the college game. NIL has done nothing but ruin college football.
 
coit said:
Imagine professional sports without drafts or salary caps. Where the big money teams would win championships just about every year and small market teams wouldn’t stand a chance.

That’s where we are now.
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You don't need to imagine, most international sports are like this, right? Certainly soccer is.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
If they don’t have to enroll in classes then why should they be allowed to wear a uniform that represents the college? What is the connection with the college?

I hear what you’re saying. And I agree with you. In an ideal world there would be minor league NFL professional football that would be completely unaffiliated with the college game. NIL has done nothing but ruin college football.
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Same connection as between Manchester City and Etihad Airlines. Or M&Ms and Kyle Busch.
 
1982Jacket said:
Same connection as between Manchester City and Etihad Airlines. Or M&Ms and Kyle Busch.
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Ehh, if the only purpose is marketing I'm not sure that's a good strategy. Most of the kids interested and coming to Tech these days are coming because of the academic reputation, a lot do not care about football even a little.
 
OmnipoTech said:
Ehh, if the only purpose is marketing I'm not sure that's a good strategy. Most of the kids interested and coming to Tech these days are coming because of the academic reputation, a lot do not care about football even a little.
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Agree 100 percent that it is not a good marketing strategy for Tech to recruit students. Tech doesn't even need to recruit students. To quote a line from the great movie "Heat," that kind of öööö sells itself.

But Tech isn't even a pimple on the ass of college football or basketball. It has proven to be a GREAT strategy for other, less technologically-focused, schools. Many reports of college applications increasing at schools which make it to the Final Four, for example. And you surely know that a lot of dumbass high school seniors decide where to spend Daddy's hard-earned money to get that valuable BA degree in Sociology based at least in part on the football team , , , go you hairy dwags!

And then there are donations. From time immemorial, college sports success has always been a great tool for prying open the wallets of proud alumni and hangers-on.

Anyway, it doesn't have to make sense. I don't think a single damn thing about NCAA FBS College Football makes a lick of sense. But it is what it is.
 
All of this started with O'Bannon who ended up at UCLA.

Remember what school was his 2nd choice??

Not really relevant, but an interesting piece of trivia, at least to me.
 
AlabamaBuzz said:
It kind of goes along with the story about an injured player in the locker room at Miami that was on the floor riving in pain, and Nick supposedly walked right past him (the story said "over him") without even acknowledging his need for assistance, and he just continued to his office, ignoring the player.
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I had heard this story, but it was on the practice field. And didn't sit well w/the other NFL players. His bullsh*t wouldn't fly in the NFL.
 
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