If Rich Rodriguez gets fired this season

Rodriguez is a complete asshat. Never should have ABANDONED West Virginia, which is what he did.
 
gnats67 said:
Rodriguez is a complete asshat. Never should have ABANDONED West Virginia, which is what he did.
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That is the single most damning fact about him. Are there any Big 10 - Big East bowl games? Cause I'd love to actually see a game where tailgating involved burning someone in effigy.
 
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BarrelORum said:
Christ, I hate stupid ass threads like these. Stupid question.
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Exactly how is this somehow a stupid question? It's no fun to think about CPJ going somewhere else and it makes me want to throw up - but please do explain to me how wondering if a potential high-profile vacancy should be a cause for concern is stupid?
 
Its a stupid question. I swear our fan base is so ****ing fickle it sometimes makes me sick. as soon as we have some success we have a bunch of people worried about sustaining it. We are GT. We have just as much tradition at a school such as Michigan. No ****, look it up. They have a bigger fanbase, I'll give you that. But GT is a great job. We have an extremely loyal fanbase, we're in the southeast, play in a major BCS conference, have as much tradition as any school except maybe Notre Dumb and we are in Atlanta. Read that last point again, because Atlanta is a HUGE selling point for a coach.

So outside of the simple fact that we don't need to worry about other college programs because we have a great program and we have the ability to pay a coach top dollar like Paul Johnson, not to mention that in PJ's case, we don't need to worry about the Pros calling either, and if he is leaving eventually there's no sense worrying about it now, Why is your question stupid?


If Michigan got rid of their old coach who ran a pro style offense for a guy who had massive Success with a Spread Option Offense, and they fired him because the spread offense didn't work and they didn't like the coach, Why in God's name would Michigan then go and hire a spread triple option coach? That makes absolutely no ****ing sense whatsoever.

I hate stupid ass bumps like this. Stupid bump
 
BarrelORum said:
Its a stupid question. I swear our fan base is so ****ing fickle it sometimes makes me sick. as soon as we have some success we have a bunch of people worried about sustaining it. We are GT. We have just as much tradition at our school as Michigan. No ****, look it up. They have a bigger fanbase, I'll give you that. But GT is a great job. We have an extremely loyal fanbase, we're in the southeast, play in a major BCS conference, have as much tradition as any school except maybe Notre Dumb and we are in Atlanta. Read that last point again, because Atlanta is a HUGE selling point for a coach.

So outside of the simple fact that we don't need to worry about other college programs because we have a great program and we have the ability to pay a coach top dollar like Paul Johnson, not to mention that in PJ's case, we don't need to worry about the Pros calling either, and if he is leaving eventually there's no sense worrying about it now, Why is your question stupid?
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Are you denying that Bill Curry left Tech? Are you denying that Bobby Ross left Tech? Are you denying that O'Leary left Tech? Gailey was doing his damnedest to leave Tech for the NFL before we ran him off. How can it be unreasonable for a Tech fan to worry about a successful head football coach leaving?

On the other hand, I agree that there are certain things, some of which you mentioned, about Coach Johnson that perhaps make it less likely that he would leave anytime soon.
 
The Jacket said:
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Exactly how is this somehow a stupid question? It's no fun to think about CPJ going somewhere else and it makes me want to throw up - but please do explain to me how wondering if a potential high-profile vacancy should be a cause for concern is stupid?
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Seriously? You resurrected a dead thread for this? I just wasted five minutes running through the first page of posts wondering why this was posted AFTER they beat Notre Dame. On the positive side, I'm not five minutes closer to the game tonight. Maybe I should be thanking you? NO, screw you dangit! Ok, I'm heading back to my padded cell until 7:00PM.
 
GiveEmHellJackets said:
Are you denying that Bill Curry left Tech? Are you denying that Bobby Ross left Tech? Are you denying that O'Leary left Tech? Gailey was doing his damnedest to leave Tech for the NFL before we ran him off. How can it be unreasonable for a Tech fan to worry about a successful head football coach leaving?

On the other hand, I agree that there are certain things, some of which you mentioned, about Coach Johnson that perhaps make it less likely that he would leave anytime soon.
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Good question and good points. Let me respond with Three points.

1.) Its stupid to worry because you can't control a damn thing anyway, so at least have confidence in things you can't control and that confidence will spread. Support the program and don't let anyone tell you that we're second tier, because those days are over. That's how you change the identity of program is for fans to harbor the same confidence int he program as the leaders who are there.

2.) In the original posters question its absolutely stupid to worry about Michigan specifically. Why? Because Rich Rod isn't leaving UM, and if he's fired, then why would they replace him with another spread option coach? If they fire him they conceded that the Spread Option doesn't work here and we need to go back to Pro Style. So its absolutely silly to worry about Michigan

Name the programs we should worry about? Chan wanted back in the NFL, so did Ross. Not worried about Pro teams because PJ's game doesn't translate to pros, there's not an NFL owner in his right mind who would hire Paul Johnson. So if we are down to colleges... Bama, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC, maybe Texas, maybe Florida but I don't see Urban Meyer going pro or leaving UF. There's maybe 5 programs that could lure PJ away. People who worry about teams like Auburn and Tennessee, make me laugh out loud. Those aren't improvements, and we have proven time and again that if he's deserving we will step up and pay as high of a salary as other perceived "bigger donor teams".

3.) and most importantly is this. So much of our fanbase who worries is typically in the age bracket that remembers the 70's and early 80's when Dodd conceded that GT was never going to be a powerhouse again. As great of a Coach as Dodd was and a symbol of GT, as AD he wrongly assumed that GT could not compete with the big boys and that attitude showed in our facilities, our fans, our teams. It was a plague that hurt us far more than anything Bill LEwis or Chan Gailey ever did. This is not a popular view point, but everything Dodd built upon over his tenure as coach, he crushed as an AD of GT. People don't want to say that, but its the damn truth. It took us years to recover from that mentality, and I am so thankful for Bobby Ross because without that NC in 1990, we may still be fighting that uphill battle. He brought the notion back that we can compete head to head with the big boys and that we are Georgia Tech.

However, too many people attribute our years from 1970 to 1986 in which we almost gave up football altogether as what we could end up being again. Well that's a bunch of horse ****. We proved that when we fired Bill Lewis halfway through the season. We won't tolerate that ever again. Not to mention that for the last 12 years we've never had a losing record... and guess what? Our fan base wasn't satisfied with that! We weathered what many people believed to be down years with Gailley and still managed to win more than we lost. Part of the reason Gailey was here for as long as he was is directly due to the fans and alumni who were TOO ****ING SCARED to make a change because they remembered the bad years of the 70's and 80's and they were scared to make a change for fear of going in reverse. That's just plain awful. Great programs cannot have that attitude. You have to want top success. Pulling from the bag of old quotes. "You cannot settle for mediocrity. "

We lost our identity in those years. We lost who we are. People forgot that we are a power to be reckoned with . We have tradition that not only predates 1970 for 80 years before that, but also expands into the 90's and today as we are one of the few teams with over ten consecutive bowls. We have more National Championships than 98% of the teams playing ball today. The trophy for the greatest football player is named after a GT coach. The trophy for the greatest college coach is named after OUR COACH.

Our fans lose sense of the word pride when they equate our losing years as somehow part of who we are right now. Our bad years when we almost dropped football are long gone. We have smart people who support the program who demand top management. We have that. Our top management has the sense to demand top coaches. We have one. As a fanbase, we need to support that attitude. We aren't anyone's second fiddle and as long as you worry about it, you project that mentality in others around you, and ultimately you carry on a negativity that only goes to hurt the program you support.

So again, why the **** worry about it? Its pointless, and you shouldn't for the exact reasons I just laid out. We're never going to have years of terrible success as long as you the fan demand the best.
 
BarrelORum said:
Its a stupid question. I swear our fan base is so ****ing fickle it sometimes makes me sick. as soon as we have some success we have a bunch of people worried about sustaining it. We are GT. We have just as much tradition at a school such as Michigan. No ****, look it up. They have a bigger fanbase, I'll give you that. But GT is a great job. We have an extremely loyal fanbase, we're in the southeast, play in a major BCS conference, have as much tradition as any school except maybe Notre Dumb and we are in Atlanta. Read that last point again, because Atlanta is a HUGE selling point for a coach.

So outside of the simple fact that we don't need to worry about other college programs because we have a great program and we have the ability to pay a coach top dollar like Paul Johnson, not to mention that in PJ's case, we don't need to worry about the Pros calling either, and if he is leaving eventually there's no sense worrying about it now, Why is your question stupid?


If Michigan got rid of their old coach who ran a pro style offense for a guy who had massive Success with a Spread Option Offense, and they fired him because the spread offense didn't work and they didn't like the coach, Why in God's name would Michigan then go and hire a spread triple option coach? That makes absolutely no ****ing sense whatsoever.

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Bill Curry comes in, has success - See ya!
Bobby Ross comes in, has success - Buh bye!
George O'Leary comes in, has success - So long!

Of course we're ****ing worried about maintaining our success - the last three coaches that came in and gave us some level of success have taken off. Maybe if it wasn't a goddamn trend, we wouldn't ****ing worry about it? Do you think?

And tradition isn't everything to every coach. Of course we're Georgia Tech and we're in a BCS conference, but in most everyone's eyes, when you compare us to Michigan, they are the more premiere, big-time program - period.

And the question assumed that if DickRod was fired, it would be because of his poor reception combined with his recent alleged transgressions against the NCAA's sacred rules.

It's not completely unreasonable that Michigan would be interested in hiring a coach whose reputation is infinitely better and who showed he can come in and have instant success with his system.

Get a ****ing grip, it's not a dumb question, you're just on the ****ing rag again. Have a fresca and chill the **** out.
 
BarrelORum said:
Good question and good points. Let me respond with Three points.

1.) Its stupid to worry because you can't control a damn thing anyway, so at least have confidence in things you can't control and that confidence will spread. Support the program and don't let anyone tell you that we're second tier, because those days are over. That's how you change the identity of program is for fans to harbor the same confidence int he program as the leaders who are there.

2.) In the original posters question its absolutely stupid to worry about Michigan specifically. Why? Because Rich Rod isn't leaving UM, and if he's fired, then why would they replace him with another spread option coach? If they fire him they conceded that the Spread Option doesn't work here and we need to go back to Pro Style. So its absolutely silly to worry about Michigan
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Jesus Christ. Pay attention:

1) This is what a ****ing message board is for. We worry about and analyze everything from the color of the jerseys to the abilities of our linemen to the effect of a partially dirt field on our offensive capabilities. NONE OF WHICH we have any control over. But we're ****ing fans and this is what we ****ing do.

And what we're hoping and praying for is that CPJ is about to take us from second tier to first tier. We're on that threshold but it's up to CPJ to put us over that line. What we're hoping is that CPJ is going to be our Frank Beamer and faced with the prospect of taking a job that would-be a higher-profile job, turn it down and stay here - solidifying us as a school to be reckoned with. We are not there yet and when you have high hopes for something, it's pretty reasonable to wonder about that which could prevent it from happening.

2) As I said in the other post, the reason assumed for his firing - would be for his violation of NCAA rules coupled with his personality not sitting well with Michigan fans.
 
The Jacket said:
Bill Curry comes in, has success - See ya!
Bobby Ross comes in, has success - Buh bye!
George O'Leary comes in, has success - So long!

Of course we're ****ing worried about maintaining our success - the last three coaches that came in and gave us some level of success have taken off. Maybe if it wasn't a goddamn trend, we wouldn't ****ing worry about it? Do you think?

And tradition isn't everything to every coach. Of course we're Georgia Tech and we're in a BCS conference, but in most everyone's eyes, when you compare us to Michigan, they are the more premiere, big-time program - period.

And the question assumed that if DickRod was fired, it would be because of his poor reception combined with his recent alleged transgressions against the NCAA's sacred rules.

It's not completely unreasonable that Michigan would be interested in hiring a coach whose reputation is infinitely better and who showed he can come in and have instant success with his system.

Get a ****ing grip, it's not a dumb question, you're just on the ****ing rag again. Have a fresca and chill the **** out.
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you should have read my follow up post before posting this garbage. I hate to tell you, but you're part of the problem. Its ok. Many of our fans have a hard time grasping what I laid out to GiveEmHellJackets. But its something every fan needs to grasp and you know what, we're better for it.

I'm sorry for coming over the top and sounding like an asshole, but I am very passionate about this topic and I've actually discussed this very topic with DRad, many of the Life Members of Gt donors, as well as other alumni and GTAA employees. Most everyone I talked to agreed. We are not that program. Time and success has healed those wounds and we need to think like we are a top team. So believe it!!

Because if you don't... who will?
 
BarrelORum said:
you should have read my follow up post before posting this garbage. I hate to tell you, but you're part of the problem. Its ok. Many of our fans have a hard time grasping what I laid out to GiveEmHellJackets. But its something every fan needs to grasp and you know what, we're better for it.

I'm sorry for coming over the top and sounding like an asshole, but I am very passionate about this topic and I've actually discussed this very topic with DRad, many of the Life Members of Gt donors, as well as other alumni and GTAA employees. Most everyone I talked to agreed. We are not that program. Time and success has healed those wounds and we need to think like we are a top team. So believe it!!

Because if you don't... who will?
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And you should have read my last post. I think we are very, very close to being that program. But the very prospect of it doesn't make it so. One year of success after nearly a decade of mediocre misery doesn't make us a destination school. It is up to CPJ to make us that school and it's perfectly reasonable to wonder whether that's what he wants to do or if it would be feasible for him to want to accept what's perceived as a higher profile job.

More than anything, a decade from now, I want us to look back on 2009 as the year that CPJ cemented that he was here to stay and that he was building something special. But we don't have a good recent history of coaches sticking with the foundation they build, so worrying about being left wanting more again makes perfect sense.
 
The Jacket said:
2) As I said in the other post, the reason assumed for his firing - would be for his violation of NCAA rules coupled with his personality not sitting well with Michigan fans.
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Ok fine. But to exclude the fact that you are replacing one spread option coach for another is just downright silly. I can see a guy building up Michigan with the Spread Option, going to the NFL, and then having PJ be sought out to replace them, but I can't see a team who fires their spread option coach and then hires another one.
 
The Jacket said:
And you should have read my last post. I think we are very, very close to being that program. But the very prospect of it doesn't make it so. One year of success after nearly a decade of mediocre misery doesn't make us a destination school. It is up to CPJ to make us that school and it's perfectly reasonable to wonder whether that's what he wants to do or if it would be feasible for him to want to accept what's perceived as a higher profile job.
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Dude, what makes you think we are not that school right now? One year of success? Try almost 120 years of success, with 12 years of recent success and we weren't satisfied with that. Now we have a coach who by all means wants more from our team everyday than our fanbase. We are that team. DRad let it be known when he made PJ the highest paid coach in the ACC.
 
BarrelORum said:
Its stupid to worry because you can't control a damn thing anyway
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Agree 100% but easier said than done.

BarrelORum said:
There's maybe 5 programs that could lure PJ away.
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I guess that's why people are worried. I believe we do have one of the top 5 coaches in college football, and the secret is starting to spread.

Thanks for the inspiring post though, and I mean that. I see your point about positivity being necessary and worrying being counterproductive. If any one guy can change the "battered fan syndrome" at Tech, I think it's Coach Johnson.:biggthumpup:
 
GiveEmHellJackets said:
Agree 100% but easier said than done.



I guess that's why people are worried. I believe we do have one of the top 5 coaches in college football, and the secret it starting to spread.

Thanks for the inspiring post though, and I mean that. I see your point about positivity being necessary and worrying being counterproductive. If any one guy can change the "battered fan syndrome" at Tech, I think it's Coach Johnson.:biggthumpup:
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Thank you for getting it. Now spread the good word and believe it, because its the truth. We are second fiddle to no one.

And another point I'd like to make is about how attractive Gt is for a student athlete than other schools. One we are in Atlanta which is a hot bed of culture and many talented players want to play in the ATL. Two, we have a rich tradition that competes with every school out there including Notre Dame. And three....

College football as we know it has changed drastically over the last 25 years. Student Athletes are much smarter as a whole than they used to be, and while before going to po dunk farm towns to play big time ball and get an easy degree sounded like fun, kids today are much more educated than they were 25 and even 15 years ago. They want a unique experience, they want to be educated, they want their college years to mean something more than what they left on the football field. And that's where GT is in a class above everyone in my opinion.

Our school offers so much to student athletes that others school can never come close to. And for that reason alone, we will always get our fair share of talent to play at GT. After that its a matter of decent coaching. This is why we've had success long past 1952.
 
And when I say there are maybe 5 programs that could lure PJ away, I'm being generous!!
 
BarrelORum said:
Dude, what makes you think we are not that school right now? One year of success? Try almost 120 years of success, with 12 years of recent success and we weren't satisfied with that. Now we have a coach who by all means wants more from our team everyday than our fanbase. We are that team. DRad let it be known when he made PJ the highest paid coach in the ACC.
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In my eyes, we are that school. I see everything about why someone should want to coach at Tech and be our next Dodd, become our Bobby Bowden or our Frank Beamer. I literally more than anything want Paul Johnson to be that guy and I hope that he sees what we see. But in regards to how we are percieved nationally, which is how your prestige is determined, I think we need to show that we weren't a one-year-wonder of sorts by stepping back up in what would otherwise be a sophomore slump and hit this conference and those ****tards in Athens in the mouth again.

It took Mark Richt two years to establish Georgia as a school that was going to compete at the highest level on a regular basis. I think we have to improve this year to show that we're on the same level.

If I'm wrong, and people already perceive us that way - then I'll eat my words gladly. But that's just not how I hear it from people.
 
And as far as me being "part of the problem" - it's not like I'm telling other fans this. Do you think I told UGA co-workers that tonight's game scares the living **** out of me? Do you think I tell them that I worry that we're not quite over the threshold yet?

This **** is family business and I keep it to being discussed with Tech fans.
 
The Jacket said:
But in regards to how we are percieved nationally, which is how your prestige is determined, I think we need to show that we weren't a one-year-wonder of sorts by stepping back up in what would otherwise be a sophomore slump and hit this conference and those ****tards in Athens in the mouth again.
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I'm singling out this part of your post for good reason. I agree with everything you said. But how we are perceived Nationally, is largely based on how we are perceived locally, and largely based on how we perceive our own program. So by believing (and I'm not talking blindly either, because we have a track record of success at the highest level) but truly believing we are a superior program, matters. It matters. And when you post things like worried about Michigan, well... you're worried we aren't a superior program and you might slump into settling for something less, and you know what... the perception of our program becomes exactly what you make of it.

So believe it, because how you perceive our program ultimately matters not only how we are perceived, but the future success you and I so dearly want to achieve.

That said, perception is absolutely nothing without support from its fans and I'm talking about both your physical and financial support.
 
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