ESPN's Way too early Preseason top 25

miles44 said:
Quit you're scawbling! Pre-season don't count ****! Tech wins, they'll move up.
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Yes it does. Higher rankings early in the season lead to more media coverage, televised games, bigger crowds, and more ammunition to feed to recruits. It's the difference between Tech/ND taking a backseat to SEC matchups or being THE game nationally in week 3. Then if we started in the Top 20 a win there might put us into the Top 10 instead of going from unranked to #18. That leads to more media coverage and more seconds of recruits reading about Tech on ESPN.

Preseason rankings mean a lot early in the season. It will sort itself out by November, but that doesn't change the three noon kickoffs on RAYCOM we suffered through that could've been 3:30 kickoffs on ABC with the preseason hype.
 
gtrower said:
Yes it does. Higher rankings early in the season lead to more media coverage, televised games, bigger crowds, and more ammunition to feed to recruits. It's the difference between Tech/ND taking a backseat to SEC matchups or being THE game nationally in week 3. Then if we started in the Top 20 a win there might put us into the Top 10 instead of going from unranked to #18. That leads to more media coverage and more seconds of recruits reading about Tech on ESPN.
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+1
 
gtrower said:
Yes it does. Higher rankings early in the season lead to more media coverage, televised games, bigger crowds, and more ammunition to feed to recruits. It's the difference between Tech/ND taking a backseat to SEC matchups or being THE game nationally in week 3. Then if we started in the Top 20 a win there might put us into the Top 10 instead of going from unranked to #18. That leads to more media coverage and more seconds of recruits reading about Tech on ESPN.

Preseason rankings mean a lot early in the season. It will sort itself out by November, but that doesn't change the three noon kickoffs on RAYCOM we suffered through that could've been 3:30 kickoffs on ABC with the preseason hype.
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You do realize Paul Johnson and Justin Thomas prefer and enjoy noon games right?
 
What we need to learn from this past year is that it's not high rankings of your team early that are necessarily important, it's your relative strength of schedule according to preseason rankings that's important. Ole Miss and Miss State weren't super highly ranked early, but they piggybacked their way to the top off of wins against high ranked teams.

The most important part of preseason ranking, it then stands to reason, is that you have games against a lot of high ranking teams, and have those games early while they're still ranked.
 
Allen Koholic said:
Nope. This is wrong. Hell, like half of the old BCS algorithms heavily weighted preseason into their rankings.
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Really? I didn't know that, do you have a source? What rankings were the algorithms using? I was under the impression that the algorithms were completely separate from any human rankings.
 
beej67 said:
What we need to learn from this past year is that it's not high rankings of your team early that are necessarily important, it's your relative strength of schedule according to preseason rankings that's important. Ole Miss and Miss State weren't super highly ranked early, but they piggybacked their way to the top off of wins against high ranked teams.

The most important part of preseason ranking, it then stands to reason, is that you have games against a lot of high ranking teams, and have those games early while they're still ranked.
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This is correct. A&M whipping a grossly overranked South Carolina was the first step to the overranking of the entire SEC West throughout the season, because Bama and the whole state of Mississippi beat A&M for 3 straight weeks before A&M's ranking took the pounding it deserved. 4 teams on our schedule are in the top 15. That's great for us.

I am considering testing a similar theory, that the average ranking of the SEC must always go up, since media can't drop one SEC team 5 spots without raising the team who beat them by 6 spots. It's like entropy. If the SEC West does a round robin and everyone goes 3-3, they get spots #1-7. Could also result in a team ranked zero, since dropping a one-loss Alabama from #1 creates a singularity at ESPN's HQ.
 
Allen Koholic said:
It's Schlabach. He can't give us anything but a backhanded compliment.

His article forgot to mention Hershel Walker 5.0 or whatever number he is as another player leaving that team. I know that the mutts have simply replaced Gurley with Chubb in their erotic fan fiction, but that is a definite downgrade.
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Gurley who? Thats a wierd first name.

I GOTTA CHUBBY ON THO
 
Allen Koholic said:
It's Schlabach. He can't give us anything but a backhanded compliment.

His article forgot to mention Hershel Walker 5.0 or whatever number he is as another player leaving that team. I know that the mutts have simply replaced Gurley with Chubb in their erotic fan fiction, but that is a definite downgrade.
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I'm also a little puzzled by this. The media and UGA fans have already dubbed Chubb the best back in the SEC and a Heisman contender for 2015. Maybe I'm biased from seeing our admittedly mediocre DL stuff him all day save one long 1st quarter run. But he does not strike the fear that Gurley did - at least not to me. Chubb is a quality TB with good strength and decent speed. Gurley was a MLB in the backfield with enough speed to take it the distance. Fournette from LSU is a lot closer to Gurley than Chubb is IMHO.

Running behind the OL UGA had this year helped Chubb a lot too.
 
Flywheel said:
This is correct. A&M whipping a grossly overranked South Carolina was the first step to the overranking of the entire SEC West throughout the season, because Bama and the whole state of Mississippi beat A&M for 3 straight weeks before A&M's ranking took the pounding it deserved. 4 teams on our schedule are in the top 15. That's great for us.

I am considering testing a similar theory, that the average ranking of the SEC must always go up, since media can't drop one SEC team 5 spots without raising the team who beat them by 6 spots. It's like entropy. If the SEC West does a round robin and everyone goes 3-3, they get spots #1-7. Could also result in a team ranked zero, since dropping a one-loss Alabama from #1 creates a singularity at ESPN's HQ.
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Sigged for truth.
 
gtrower said:
I'm also a little puzzled by this. The media and UGA fans have already dubbed Chubb the best back in the SEC and a Heisman contender for 2015. Maybe I'm biased from seeing our admittedly mediocre DL stuff him all day save one long 1st quarter run. But he does not strike the fear that Gurley did - at least not to me. Chubb is a quality TB with good strength and decent speed. Gurley was a MLB in the backfield with enough speed to take it the distance. Fournette from LSU is a lot closer to Gurley than Chubb is IMHO.

Running behind the OL UGA had this year helped Chubb a lot too.
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Regardless of whatever anyone thinks of Chubb, Fournette is definitely better. Chubb isn't anyones savior until he can keep from fumbling as often.
 
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gtrower said:
I'm also a little puzzled by this.
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Chubb had 200 yards and almost 7ypc against Arkansas last season. Arkansas beat LSU, so clearly they're a good team. And LSU beat Ole Miss, so clearly they're a good team. And Ole Miss beat Alabama, so obviously they're one of the best teams in the country because Alabama beat Arkansas.
 
I want to see UGA fans disappointed as much as the next guy, but didn't Chubb put up something like 1500 yards, while only starting for half the season? I'm not saying he's the next Zack Laskey or anything, but let's not downplay him too much. He's a hoss, and barring injury I see him as one of the top backs in the SEC next year.
 
beej67 said:
What we need to learn from this past year is that it's not high rankings of your team early that are necessarily important, it's your relative strength of schedule according to preseason rankings that's important. Ole Miss and Miss State weren't super highly ranked early, but they piggybacked their way to the top off of wins against high ranked teams.

The most important part of preseason ranking, it then stands to reason, is that you have games against a lot of high ranking teams, and have those games early while they're still ranked.
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I think I agree in general with your thesis.

And I'd like to agree with what you wrote above. I probably would if the SEC teams that were so highly ranked through last season had actually deserved their rankings.

Based on what actually happened in the rankings last season, though, I think we saw a lot of confirmation bias in action (or worse).

If anything, I think last season proved that rankings prior to week 6 or 7 are generally foolishness and rob the better teams from being properly ranked at the end of the season.

I'm waiting for the day when a school or conference takes this to court based on negative impacts on their potential bowl earnings in the post-season.
 
I would probably get 100 yards a game of I had an offensive line made up of 3 NFL draft picks and you gave me the ball 37 times a game. Chubb gets exposed next year as on "all right" back now that we gave the public the blueprint to stopping him (force him to run outside where power doesn't matter and he'll go down for 0 yards every time)
 
gtphd said:
How can anyone who knows anything follow the rankings?

2* guy -> uGA offer -> 3* guy within an hour. Did he suddenly get faster, stronger, taller, or all of the above?

Although I'm sure someone will say "they reviewed his tape again and realized he should have been a 3* from the beginning"
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He obtained esseesee speed in the process! :wink:
 
Deke said:
I want to see UGA fans disappointed as much as the next guy, but didn't Chubb put up something like 1500 yards, while only starting for half the season? I'm not saying he's the next Zack Laskey or anything, but let's not downplay him too much. He's a hoss, and barring injury I see him as one of the top backs in the SEC next year.
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1547 yards.... 7.0 ypc
Sony Michel.... 6.4 ypc
Todd Gurley.... 7.4 ypc

When you see those numbers, you have to think that it's the offensive line (of which 5/10 form the 2-deep are gone) or a lack of opposition talent.

When you consider that Chubb and Michel had almost 2 ypc less than their season average against the #58 defense in the country, you have to think that opposition played a major role.
 
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