1st or 2d for 7 of past 11 years... a good measure?

[LegendaryGT]

That's in the same vein as "You are what your record says you are." I definitely agree. But I also think there's more to the analysis, depending on the purpose of the analysis.

Yeah, I was going to bring up purpose earlier, but when I followed that line of thought to its ultimate conclusion, my dismal record predicting the college football future (and most other futures) obviates that there's no point in me debating in that arena.

 

[GTCrew4b]

How can you say "fairly mediocre SEC East" in the same breath as crowing about tying for second in the Coastal?

I think you are incorrectly thinking he is giving the Coastal credit while poo pooing on the SEC East. He is not. He is saying that UGA has had similar conferencical success with a similarly mediocre division.

 

[georgiatech22]

Here's an idea. The ACC should just automatically award Clemson the ACC Championship this year, save the sacrificial lamb that Pitt will be and reschedule the game to have Pitt vs. GT for the Coastal Trophy.
The game would be more interesting, TV ratings would be better and we'd get another shot from our early season whiff at Pitt ...
Given another chance, we would destroy Pitt.

 

[Yukonwreck]

I think you are incorrectly thinking he is giving the Coastal credit while poo pooing on the SEC East. He is not. He is saying that UGA has had similar conferencical success with a similarly mediocre division.

No, since the inception of the Coastal division it can not be defined as "similarly mediocre" when compared to the SEC East. Tech, VPI, Miami, Duke?, UNC?, Virginia with Mike London? Pittsburgh? Compared to Georgia, Florida, UT, South Carolina (with Spurrier), Kentucky, Vandy. Missouri.

 

[GTCrew4b]

No, since the inception of the Coastal division it can not be defined as "similarly mediocre" when compared to the SEC East. Tech, VPI, Miami, Duke?, UNC?, Virginia with Mike London? Pittsburgh? Compared to Georgia, Florida, UT, South Carolina (with Spurrier), Kentucky, Vandy. Missouri.

It would be an interesting comparison. I don’t think it’s as lobsided as you do.

No national titles between them. I don’t think anyone outside of UGA has been to a big bowl game from that crowd. The 90s are over dude.

Edit: I stand corrected Florida won it all in 2008. I forgot. It’s still pretty close I think I’m terms of overall competition level.

 

[Yukonwreck]

It would be an interesting comparison. I don’t think it’s as lobsided as you do.

No national titles between them. I don’t think anyone outside of UGA has been to a big bowl game from that crowd. The 90s are over dude.

Edit: I stand corrected Florida won it all in 2008. I forgot. It’s still pretty close I think I’m terms of overall competition level.

Any year of Richt's tenure, if Georgia was in the Coastal division, they would have probably run the table. Same for Urban Meyer at Florida, a few years at UT and South Carolina several years. Put Tech, or VPI or Miami in the SEC East most of the last ten years and it would be difficult for them. Yes we have three wins against Georgia, a couple against Vandy or Kentucky, lost to Tennessee (4-8).

 

[txsting]

CPJ has stated several times that he is proud that GT has finished 1st or 2d in the Coastal for 7 of his 11 seasons.

2008 – 1st (tied with VT)
2009 – 1st
2010 – 3d
2011 – 2d (tied with UVA)
2012 – 1st (tied with Miami & UNC)
2013 – 2d (tied with Miami & VT)
2014 – 1st
2015 – 7th
2016 – 5th
2017 – 3d
2018 – 2d (tied with UVA, if they beat VT)

So my question is... what do you make of this measure?

Let's try (*try*) to abstract this away from the triple option or CPJ or recruiting or his personality or any of the other things we tend to get fixated on.

For any coach at GT, would finishing 1st or 2d in the Coastal 64% of the time be good or not?

(By way of comparison, UGA has finished 1st or 2d for 9 of the past 11 years in a fairly mediocre SEC East. They finished 1st 4x, same as us.)

My first impression was that this stat sounds a little contrived and cherry picked. But let's compare the other Coastal teams by the same measure in the CPJ era:

GT: 7 times (1st or T-2 in Coastal)
VT: 7 times
Mia: 5 times
UNC: 3 times
Pitt: 3 times
Duke: 2 times
VA: 1 time

And by ACC wins in the same era:
VT: 56 wins
GT: 51
Mia: 50
NC: 43
the rest: who cares

GT and VT are tied with 4 seasons at the top or T-1.

By any measure we have been one of the top two teams in our division in the CPJ era. Now, is that success in your eyes? For me, I say yes.

 

[Yukonwreck]

My first impression was that this stat sounds a little contrived and cherry picked. But let's compare the other Coastal teams by the same measure in the CPJ era:

GT: 7 times (1st or T-2 in Coastal)
VT: 7 times
Mia: 5 times
UNC: 3 times
Pitt: 3 times
Duke: 2 times
VA: 1 time

And by ACC wins in the same era:
VT: 56 wins
GT: 51
Mia: 50
NC: 43
the rest: who cares

GT and VT are tied with 4 seasons at the top or T-1.

By any measure we have been one of the top two teams in our division in the CPJ era. Now, is that success in your eyes? For me, I say yes.

We have had success within the Coastal Division, but you might as well ring up the stats for "teams in the state of Georgia whose colors are white and gold". What about national success? Top Twenty-five finishes? Conference championships, playoff appearances, or bowl victories against P5 opponents?

 

[ElCidBUZZingFAN]

We have had success within the Coastal Division, but you might as well ring up the stats for "teams in the state of Georgia whose colors are white and gold". What about national success? Top Twenty-five finishes? Conference championships, playoff appearances, or bowl victories against P5 opponents?

???

Tech still rises towards the top of its conference mates with that criteria.

1a) FSU
1b) Clemson
3) VT
4) GT
...
...
...
Who cares because the gap is huge from here.

 

[Yukonwreck]

???

Tech still rises towards the top of its conference mates with that criteria.

1a) FSU
1b) Clemson
3) VT
4) GT
...
...
...
Who cares because the gap is huge from here.

Okay, even acknowledging that we have been "good" compared to our division and maybe our conference, the cliche' is you have to be willing to give up good to be great. To me, that's the issue. We'd rather accept being second in the Coastal Division of an overall mediocre conference, than to risk returning to the early 1980's. I understand. That was not pleasant.

 

[GTRules]

Why are so many of you such crybabies?