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juveduke said:
I don't expect to see these things year in and year out, nor do I really expect more than 2 of them to happen in a given year. It's just how I grade a season.
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I'm honestly sorry for misunderstanding your first post. I've encountered too many Tech fans that think we should beat UGA and win the ACC no matter what every year.

Still, it's silly to equate a 9 win season with a 3 win season. We lost to fairly mediocre NC State and Viriginia teams last year. We took care of business against the equivalent teams on our schedule this year, Miami and Maryland.

It was a down ACC and we nearly capitalized on it. We just needed one more win against a very good Wake team who played Clemson much better than we did, beat BC and Maryland and destroyed FSU in one of the most unexpected games in college football history.

I'm sick of people crapping on a nine win season when we had one of the toughest OOC schedules of any BCS team in the country (try and find me a tougher one). We had a very good team this year that just had a QB who became a nutcase in the last two games and I'm personally looking forward to one of the few New Year's Day bowls since Dodd.
 
Exactly. And the Georgia game. But since the Jugheads at the top wanted to continue to pass-if we had even a pulse we still should have won the game-both games. OR, the jugheads realize that we have no passing game, that Tashard isnt being stopped, and ran the ball 2x more than they did. Either way you have it-the Jugheads didnt get it done, again. More couldas and shoudas. Tired of it. We have seen this story every single year
 
floridajacket said:
I'm honestly sorry for misunderstanding your first post. I've encountered too many Tech fans that think we should beat UGA and win the ACC no matter what every year.

Still, it's silly to equate a 9 win season with a 3 win season. We lost to fairly mediocre NC State and Viriginia teams last year. We took care of business against the equivalent teams on our schedule this year, Miami and Maryland.

It was a down ACC and we nearly capitalized on it. We just needed one more win against a very good Wake team who played Clemson much better than we did, beat BC and Maryland and destroyed FSU in one of the most unexpected games in college football history.

I'm sick of people crapping on a nine win season when we had one of the toughest OOC schedules of any BCS team in the country (try and find me a tougher one). We had a very good team this year that just had a QB who became a nutcase in the last two games and I'm personally looking forward to one of the few New Year's Day bowls since Dodd.
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Well, I don't equate a 9 win season to a 3 win season because we wouldn't get into a bowl.

And, USC played Arkansas, Nebraska, and Notre Dame.
 
USC is playing a great OOC schedule because the PAC 10 schedule makes the Big East look like a powerhouse. The dropoff from a fine USC team to the rest of the league in raw athletic ability is staggering. The coaching job done by Pete this year was pitiful.
 
floridajacket said:
I'm sick of people crapping on a nine win season when we had one of the toughest OOC schedules of any BCS team in the country (try and find me a tougher one).
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Two of those 4 OOC games were Troy and Samford. The other two we lost. The wins against Troy and Samford would have been justified if we had won at georgia.
That obviously sounds silly and old timer mentality for many, but und is seen as the "most storied program" in cfb, and ga. is a very respected team from the toughest league in cfb. We had our chance to gain modern times program respect against both. Losing to ga. two weeks ago hurt us and the conference in a very big way.

I don't like it, but it's true nonetheless.
 
floridajacket said:
I've encountered too many Tech fans that think we should beat UGA and win the ACC no matter what every year.
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How 'bout beating UGA just ONCE with Gailey at the helm? Not to much ask for just one win in all his mediocre seasons, is it? As for winning the ACC, if we didn't do it this year with the best player we may have at GT in Calvin (maybe the best WR in the country), a senior QB, a very down league, and vs a Wake team that is the smallest Division I school in the country with a freshman QB whose team lost their first string QB and RB for the season, then I'm not so optimistic about the future.

So, when you encounter those tech fans that think we should beat UGA and win the ACC every year... just tell them that history says that'll never happen...at least with the current coaching staff.
 
Geetee said:
Ok, so how many years has Gailey been here? ..and what are his biggest accomplishments since arriving.. he can't even beat UGA in their down year. Tenure doesn't ensure success.
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Well said.
 
pocket_watch said:
Two of those 4 OOC games were Troy and Samford. The other two we lost. The wins against Troy and Samford would have been justified if we had won at georgia.
That obviously sounds silly and old timer mentality for many, but und is seen as the "most storied program" in cfb, and ga. is a very respected team from the toughest league in cfb. We had our chance to gain modern times program respect against both. Losing to ga. two weeks ago hurt us and the conference in a very big way.

I don't like it, but it's true nonetheless.
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My point was that, when you look at GT's schedule as a whole, nine wins for GT isn't the same as, say, nine wins for Virginia Tech.

GT didn't have four guaranteed wins like most of the ACC and SEC. Virginia Tech is now ranked in the top 15 because of a 10-2 regular season, but 4 of their wins were against Northeastern, Cincinnati, Southern Miss and Kent State. Cincy and Southern Miss are pretty decent for mid-majors, but nowhere close to UGA and ND.

Playing UGA and ND is just something to consider when one sets up some mythical 10 win mark as a good season. We could have been 11-1 going into the ACCCG if we played the OOC schedule Virginia Tech did.
 
Geetee,

I'm not going to argue that it doesn't suck to lose to UGA again.

But I'm not going to say all of this season sucked because of 2 games out of 13, or that we were still mediocre or whatever. We had 9 wins, even with an impressive OOC schedule, and I'm not going to say that was a bad year. It's not like we're Miami or Texas or USC and have the pleasure of complaining about 9 win seasons.
 
Well said florida. I hate the losses to UGA and Wake just as much as the next guy, but we still finished the season with nine wins. I'm not happy with the way we finished up - two losses at the end of the year leave a bad taste in my mouth. But the plain truth is that we got over the 7 win hump, and we appear to be moving in the right direction. We all know that there are things that need fixing on the offensive side of the ball, but I'm confident that DRad and CCG will help to address those issues. Hopefully we'll right the ship in the Gator Bowl, with or without a new starting QB.
 
geetee, this constant carping about Wake is stupid. It doesn't matter how big or small the school is, and it doesn't matter who their qb is. The FACT is they are 11-2 or whatever they are, they won their division in the league and are ranked something like 12-14 in the nation last I looked.

Besides, we return most of our starters next year, our recruiting is better than it's been in years, we'll have a new QB which I think will be an improvement and we have a stable program. If you don't think we can win going forward that sucks for you. I happen to think you don't know what you're talking about.
 
juveduke said:
That's not capitalizing on an opportunity. We're only better off than Duke because we're in a bowl game. Which is exactly what we accomplished last year.

Things that I'd like to see each season:
Bowl Game
Beat UGA
10 Regular season wins
Win ACC Championship

We didn't do anything we didn't do last year.
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sorry juve, didn't see your disclaimer. Tounge-in-cheek comments withdrawn.
 
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ncjacket said:
I happen to think you don't know what you're talking about.
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..and I happen to think you defend Gailey and the program at all cost despite Gailey proving he's just an average coach EVERY year and produces results that leave the fan base DIVIDED every year and talk of coaching CHANGES every year. Usually, the bowl talk is that we have to go out west to some nothing bowl game and the defenders of Gailey try to make that bowl out like its the Fiesta Bowl or something..even though the crowds were smaller than the ACC CG (if you can believe that). Now, this year, we get an Eastern Bowl and the talk is how they didn't want to choose us because once again the Bowl is concerned about attendance. (I've heard the excuses here.. it was Wake's fault, the weather's fault, the UGA loss' fault, etc..) That only happens with mediocre and average programs...something Gailey has perfected at GT.

He can't beat UGA. NEVER has...even in a down year for them..oh yea, they had a freshman qb..we had Senior with Calvin to throw to. Gailey didn't take advantage of the best player we'll EVER have (I know, I know..this one is BALL's fault..not Gailey's, right). GT can't win the conference in a year FSU struggles to even be bowl eligible, Miami's coach gets fired, NC State coach gets fired, we lose badly on national tv to UNRANKED Clemson, and lose to a Wake team with much less talent. I have to laugh at those now trying to defend that loss by propping up Wake as this powerhouse. Good? yes. Powerhouse? hardly. That's the ACC this year. Yes, we won the Coastal which is great. However, losing to UGA, Wake and knowing we were aided with that win due to the league being down limits the chest thumping somewhat. But hey, folks here LOVE mediocrity and want another year of it. Guess what? Its coming..again and again. History with Gailey is a fact at GT and nothing is there to state otherwise. Now, some are saying we will be awesome next year because..why? Is it bc we'll have an untested and young qb? Oh, then we'll be a powerhouse as that ALWAYS happens. Some say bc we'll be without CJ comparing that to when UT lost Peyton. JOKE. Is it because recruiting is going well this year? Oh, all those true frosh are going to have an immediate impact, huh? That ALWAYS happens.

We have things to be proud of like the Coastal Division and VT win...but all in all, its a mediocre season when looking at it objectively. Nothing will change with that (nothing HAS changed with that with Gailey)...so unless, some coaching changes are made...we'll be debating this again next year...and the next...

...maybe as soon as the Gator Bowl is over.
 
I can't even get through that drivel, and I read everything.

Take this schtick (sp) to buzzoff with the other loser mentalities.

Read the posts above yours over and over. Quit making excuses why 9-4 isn't better than 7-5. It just makes you look real, real stupid.

When we were 7-5 or 7-6 all of the harping on mediocrity had the tiniest leg to stand on. At 9-4, 7-1(2), 5-0 in the Coastal, you have to grasp at the nonexistant to make this excuse. It is embarrassing to me as a GT graduate that a person who may have graduated from my fine school uses logic that would embarrass a Bama HS dropout.
 
UGA in a down year beats the Coastal Division winner. What does that say?

Spin it how you choose...and expect the same (or worse) results for the season next year with the staus quo in place. Don't say you didn't hear it here first.

Support the program, but advocate change.

I will hate to say "I told you so" next year, but unfortunately, its coming.
 
So basically geetee, you're saying that you don't read my posts. I do criticize Gailey, and Reggie, and Nix and pretty much everyone I think deserves it. What I don't do is give anyone a blanket condemnation. Even Nix has done some things well in my opinion.

But the point of the post that you reacted to was that I happen to think our team will be better next year. We do need to make changes. I wouldn't be disappointed at all to find out Nix won't be the OC/QB coach. I'm thrilled that we will be seeing a new QB under center. I hope we have the ability to actually use the entire field on offense for a change and I hope we run the ball more than we have this year.

The other problem I have with you is you ignore any information that would suggest something isn't Gailey's fault. The Gator Bowl discussion has nothing to do with Tech. They aren't worried about attendance at the ACCCG per se, it's the combination of having a team play there twice in a month. They were burned by having Va Tech return last year...so does that mean VT has a mediocre fan base?

That's my real problem with you. Not what you may think about Chan, but your seeming need to use random pieces of info to try to build your case. Yes he hasn't beaten ugag and that will cost him his job at some point if it doesn't change. Yes, our offense is still not where we would like to see it and that will cost him as well. If DRad fires him tomorrow I won't really care, I just don't think it will happen and I think for good reasons.

But the criteria for retaining him now are different than they might be after next year or the next. DRad will review where the program is and where he thinks we're headed. Changes will likely be made in the program prior to spring practice.
 
Acutally, I agree with alot of what you just stated except that we'll be better next year and that Gailey doesn't deserve more of the blame.
 
I never said he doesn't deserve all the blame. He deserves all the credit when we do well and all the blame when we don't because he's the HC. And I still say we'll be better next year at every position except WR. And as a group that position may be stronger than this year's. But I have no doubt we'll be better at QB.
 
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