5 legit reasons Georgia Tech might disappoint in 2009

Paul Johnson is sold on Jaybo Shaw enough to make him #2 and to remark numerous times on how well he had been playing before the broken collar bone. But I'm sure this Nuff Said guy knows more than Paul Johnson.

Do you really think he's gonna dog him out to the media?

Of course he's number 2 right now. He's had playin time and 2 years.

He's also spoke highly about Washington

As for the other guy "saying the same for Nesbitt as to Shaw" that's completely nuts

What is it that you think is so special about Shaw? I'm curious Give'emHell.

Where did he just WOW you? Against Duke and MSU? Did you go to the games? Did you see UNC and FSU? Those were REAL competition and he quickly came down to reality.

I'm not doggin the kid, I'm just sayin that there are better QBs on that team.

Do I know more than CPJ? Hell No
But I'd bet my paycheck that I know a helluva lot more than you do on the game based on what I've read from you thus far
 
Do you really think he's gonna dog him out to the media?

Of course he's number 2 right now. He's had playin time and 2 years.

He's also spoke highly about Washington

As for the other guy "saying the same for Nesbitt as to Shaw" that's completely nuts

What is it that you think is so special about Shaw? I'm curious Give'emHell.

Where did he just WOW you? Against Duke and MSU? Did you go to the games? Did you see UNC and FSU? Those were REAL competition and he quickly came down to reality.

I'm not doggin the kid, I'm just sayin that there are better QBs on that team.

Do I know more than CPJ? Hell No
But I'd bet my paycheck that I know a helluva lot more than you do on the game based on what I've read from you thus far

Do you actually read posts? I thought you just logged in and started calling everyone an idiot and spouting off dogmatic bull****. That's just based on what I've read from you so far.
 
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Do you really think he's gonna dog him out to the media?
No, I agree

Of course he's number 2 right now. He's had playin time and 2 years.
Agree

He's also spoke highly about Washington
Agree

As for the other guy "saying the same for Nesbitt as to Shaw" that's completely nuts

Disagree. The original quote was:
Nesbitt is going to be a lot better at passing. Most of his throws were scrambling due to the inexperience of the O Line.

The reply was
Whatever excuses apply to Nesbitt also apply to Jaybo.

And there's no reason to believe that Jaybo won't be better as well.
This says if Nesbitt's throws were scrambling due to the inexperienced O line, so were Jaybo's, and both Jaybo and Nesbitt should be better after another year of experience. These are basically facts.

What is it that you think is so special about Shaw? I'm curious Give'emHell.

Where did he just WOW you? Against Duke and MSU? Did you go to the games? Did you see UNC and FSU? Those were REAL competition and he quickly came down to reality.
Actually yes, and I went to all home games. Both duke and msu stacked the box a ton, trying to force a true freshman to throw downfield. For MSU in particular, Jaybo playing was unexpected. He was fully prepared, and played well. MSU made a defensive adjustment to stack the line much harder than they had with Josh, and we made 2 key moves. #1 Our beloved coach recognized their adjustment mid series (some of our prior coaches required a full off season to make such an adjustment, or at the very least a halftime, I DO love CPJ) to play action pass it to the end zone. #2 Our true frosh made the throw WHILE BEING TACKLED.

On fsu, my memory is a bit more... let's say... blurry. But I do remember one sprint out where Jaybo turned to pitch to the sweeping A back, but found the A back wasn't where he should have been, so Jaybo kept the ball, and got drilled. IIRC, that happened after the first series Jaybo played in, where somebody on our OL gave an olay block to their nose, who smoked Jaybo from behind. I can promise you I'd have fumbled there just like Jaybo, and I'd bet MANY QBs at any level fumble if they get hit totally blind from behind by a guy twice their size before they take step #2 out from under center.

Jaybo didn't play particularly well against unc, but neither did anyone else, and we gave it away at the end.

I'm not doggin the kid, I'm just sayin that there are better QBs on that team.
Honest question - What makes you think Tevin or anyone else not named Nesbitt is better than Jaybo? I haven't had the opportunity to see more than the Spring Game, or even to read as much of our reports as I'd like, so I'll admit I'm somewhat in the dark here. That said, everything I have heard is that Tevin is crazy quick and therefore hard to bring down, but he still hasn't played 1 down of D1 ball yet either. So to say he or any other currently listed GT QB not named Nesbitt is better than Shaw is still speculation / opinion.

I hope you're right, bc it would be a great thing for the team to have more players with better skills. That said, I think people are blaming and doubting Jaybo more than he deserves. Particularly with the injury, it's gut check time for a 19 yr old kid, who played well as a freshman, but he's getting alot of tough reviews. I hope he comes back strong enough to impress us all even more than he has for some of us already.

Do I know more than CPJ? Hell No But I'd bet my paycheck that I know a helluva lot more than you do on the game based on what I've read from you thus far

Come on man. Can't we all just get along? Please try to share your informed opinion without slinging insults.

GO JACKETS!!!
 
Paul Johnson is sold on Jaybo Shaw enough to make him #2 and to remark numerous times on how well he had been playing before the broken collar bone. But I'm sure this Nuff Said guy knows more than Paul Johnson.

GTD, this is where my last comment came from.

I'm the first to admit, I'm opinionated as hell. BUT, the flipside is that atleast when I post an opinion that doesn't go with the flow, I'm blasted for this or that.

Pardon me for thinking that Jaybo isn't a stud. I haven't come out and said he sucked (I don't think he does), I just happen to think that there are others that are more talented and will soon show that they're the better choice for backing up Nesbitt.
My point about Shaw is that when he REALLY had to step up and play at a HIGHER level, his earlier performances against MSU and Duke didn't hold much as much water when compared.
Shaw is a good, hardworking kid without question. However, he's no where near the OVERALL talent level of the other QB's (Washington, Simms, Luallen).

I'll make it really simple. If for some strange reason, Nesbitt had been the one to get hurt preseason and we went into the season with Shaw as #1, the expectations and hoopla surrounding the potential of this season would come to a screaching halt.

and I think that if people don't see that for what it is then they are not too keen on what's going on down on the flats.
 
ding ding ding! A lot of the Tevin is better talk is based on the potential to be a badass option QB, which he obviously has. As far as understanding the offense, Shaw is clearly ahead. Because of this (and fumbles), he is the clear number 2 when healthy. Assuming Tevin's understanding and consistency catch up to Jaybo, the #2 job is his. Not there yet.

Pardon me for thinking that Jaybo isn't a stud. I haven't come out and said he sucked (I don't think he does), I just happen to think that there are others that are more talented and will soon show that they're the better choice for backing up Nesbitt.
 
General thought on Shaw... I hope there never comes a day when call him the best QB on the team. If we ever have to name him our #1 QB on a permanent basis, then I do not believe we will when football games against Goliath-type opponents. He's just not athletically gifted enough.

He does a solid job as a second stringer, and we are fortunate to have him as an above average backup.
 
General thought on Shaw... I hope there never comes a day when call him the best QB on the team. If we ever have to name him our #1 QB on a permanent basis, then I do not believe we will when football games against Goliath-type opponents. He's just not athletically gifted enough.

He does a solid job as a second stringer, and we are fortunate to have him as an above average backup.
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What is it that you think is so special about Shaw? I'm curious Give'emHell.

I don't recall saying he was "so special." I'm just saying that, all things considered, Shaw is the second best QB we have and that we would be better off if he was healthy and able to assume the QB2 role. I'm not a verified Football Genius like you are, so I am forced to depend upon the tenuous evidence that our head coach said so several times, as recently as yesterday. You seem to think that PJ is lying about this, and that he named Jaybo #2 because he didn't want to hurt his feelings. Doesn't seem like PJ's m.o. to me, but again, you have an advantage over me in that you are a football genius and I'm just a schmuck who believes what our coach says.

As for why I am impressed with Shaw,
he won two games against major-conference schools, and made major contributions to those games, (which were won handily) as a true freshman quarterback. He took pretty good beatings in these games at times but toughed it out. He completed one of the longest pass plays in Ga Tech history. He made good reads allowing the other backs to do well, especially in the Miss St. game.

Miss St: Completed 3 of 7 passes for 43 yards and a TD. Carried 9 times for 61 yards (6.8 ypc) and a td.

Duke: Completed 9 of 14 passes for 230 yards and an 88 yd TD. Not good rushing numbers, but did have a rushing TD.

True freshman. You’re damn right I was impressed. And if being as football-brilliant as you are will keep me from being impressed, I’m happy to stay dumb.
 
I don't recall saying he was "so special." I'm just saying that, all things considered, Shaw is the second best QB we have and that we would be better off if he was healthy and able to assume the QB2 role. I'm not a verified Football Genius like you are, so I am forced to depend upon the tenuous evidence that our head coach said so several times, as recently as yesterday. You seem to think that PJ is lying about this, and that he named Jaybo #2 because he didn't want to hurt his feelings. Doesn't seem like PJ's m.o. to me, but again, you have an advantage over me in that you are a football genius and I'm just a schmuck who believes what our coach says.

As for why I am impressed with Shaw,
he won two games against major-conference schools, and made major contributions to those games, (which were won handily) as a true freshman quarterback. He took pretty good beatings in these games at times but toughed it out. He completed one of the longest pass plays in Ga Tech history. He made good reads allowing the other backs to do well, especially in the Miss St. game.

Miss St: Completed 3 of 7 passes for 43 yards and a TD. Carried 9 times for 61 yards (6.8 ypc) and a td.

Duke: Completed 9 of 14 passes for 230 yards and an 88 yd TD. Not good rushing numbers, but did have a rushing TD.

True freshman. You’re damn right I was impressed. And if being as football-brilliant as you are will keep me from being impressed, I’m happy to stay dumb.

I never said CPJ was lying. Yes, Shaw is #2 without a doubt ... NOW. Anyone who has seen Washington or others knows that once there is a better knowledge of the offense grasped, then they'll move up. They're just better athletes.

As for the stats, and other blah blah blah's, well done on your research.

The longest pass play had a WR 10 yds in front of the defender. It also showed the armstrength of the Shaw which for a D1 QB isn't all that. He heaved it 40 yds and almost underthrew Thomas. He doesn't have but about 45 ... 50 if he juices up in that arm.

Yeah, they were MAJOR Conference Opponents. They were the bottom of the barrel and probably couldn't finish in the top5 in the WAC.

Thanks for twisting my words around though to make me look like I'm hating. I'm just saying that while Shaw did his job last year....he wasn't spectacular, He just wasn't. Had he been FSU would've been a Double Digit win and we would've had more of a fighting chance against UNC.

Should he be #2 going into the season, absolutely. Will he remain there or would he have, I just don't see it.

Ive never claimed to be a football genious, but on the flip I'm not scared to point out that several on here haven't the foggiest idea of what they are talking about and that I may know "just a little" more on the subject than they do.
 
All that stuff he said^

I will concede this: After I heard PJ's remarks about Tevin Washington yesterday, I feel a hell of a lot better. If I remember correctly, PJ said that Tevin was "more than capable of running the show" and that our backup situation is better this year than last year, even factoring in the Shaw injury. And, putting on his optimist hat, PJ said that if we can make it until Shaw comes back, we'll be better off because we'll have more guys with quality experience and reps and so forth than if Shaw hadn't been out.

Perhaps we can agree that Tevin is [hopefully] not that far behind Shaw and has the potential to pass him one day in the future. And at least our stupid argument got us a few hours closer to kickoff.:biggthumpup:
 
Jaybo's a good little baller. CPJ likes him. I say let him play. :biggthumpup:
 
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