6th stage of grief. Optimism.

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  1. GTCrew

    GTCrew Well, I'll be...

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    "Coaching the team" = "score an offensive TD vs Temple"?

    I dont think so. Coaching a college team is much much more than scoring an offensive TD vs Temple.

    Again, you dodge the question and double down on the asinine argumemt that he has unlimited time and resources.

    If he is not spending enough time on scoring an offensive TD vs Temple, then he is spending too much time somewhere else. Where is that? What is he spending too much time on in your opinion, that would be better spent on getting immediate results on the scoreboard?

    Unless you have a million $ or more to give him to get more resources, stop pretending that GT has unlimited resources. Answer the question.
     
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    JacketFan77 Bokonon High Priest

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    I don’t know that he’s spending too much time on one thing or another. You brought that variable into the convo. Whatever time he is spending on coaching, from my perspective, isn’t yielding results in either of the categories of “scoring points against a G5 opponent” or “developing strategy” or “developing players”. Now, as to whether or not that is a time issue or a competence issue, I can’t say.
     
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    Everything I am hearing is that kids are sold on what we are doing here and that on field results are not factoring in a major way at the moment.

    We did move the ball against temple. We had 3 bad turnovers while we were about to score. If the players executed at those moments, at the worst, we are talking about a decently close loss where we showed more on offense than the previous game, despite our issues on the OL. Some of the coaching has me concerned as well, but I think we will start to see something much better in the coming weeks.


    One positive about recruiting. I was just scrolling through our top 25 all time recruits. We got 3 in there with our current class. 2007 class had 4 (although the average is higher). We have a good chance to pick up some more big guys, so currently with recruiting, I'm fairly optimistic.
     
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    Hell, only 5 more posts about the same thing and we reach platinum level.
     
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    GTCrew Well, I'll be...

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    Nobody would disagree.
    What does that mean? You think we need to be developing a strategy for this team? Why, when it isnt relevant after this year? The strategy is to get the players that can actually perform the strategy they prefer, not make a new one year strategy for winning in transition with 3O players.
    Why do you say that? Other than Wells I dont see anyone regressing.
     
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    You don't criticize your kids by telling them they are huge mistake that it will take you years after they leave to recover from I hope.
     
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    That is true.
     
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    JacketFan77 Bokonon High Priest

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    Yeah, I think there needs to be a strategy for the future, otherwise, how do you create recruitment goals? Unless you’re saying our recruitment goal is “stars” and the strategy is “build around the stars”?

    I didn’t say there was regression. I’m just not seeing development/improvement. As it stands now, the kids who played competently/above average last year are doing so this year. No one is really rising to the top beyond those we already 1) knew were pretty good (TO, Mason, Thomas, Harvin) or 2) expected to be good based on recruitment (Swilling, Camp, Curry, Jordan-Swilling).
     
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    The kids are still playing hard which is a great sign. As much as people criticize our players I don't remember them quitting on the field except for some of CGO players in the early Gailey years. I hope these guys continue to play hard to the end of the season; just as I hope the offense will gel around a scheme that builds for the future.
     
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    I'll be there next Saturday, hoss. Good good post.
     
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    They have told you the strategy, and it is also obvious if you look at our lower ranked recruits in this class. The strategy is to get "prototypical" players and run a standard offense. We are using the recruit charts Alabama uses. A panicked approach would be to take a dozen offensive linemen and we are not doing that. We are not overreacting and reaching for serviceable linemen. We are following the strategy they told us they were gonna do.

    Good. What are your qualifications for knowing that? Are players not improving their footwork? Are they not getting the fundamentals down? Considering it is still year 1, i would think we would be working on basics.

    I would argue most everyone ATL is progressing, but we can agree to disagree.
     
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    We lost to an FCS team and couldn’t score any offensive points on Temple. That’s not a bunch of bullshit that’s a fact. Maybe I have more expectations from a team going under “such a monumental transition in college football.” Like not losing to Citadel and scoring at least a few points against another team with lesser talent.
     
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    It looks like we have 6 OL commits as of right now and I think we are the only P5 offer for about half of them. We have slots to fill so I am ok with it; but it isn't exactly like you are making it sound.
     
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    I believe 6 is where the chart would have us. All four of our OTs are on 247's top 100 list. That other schools didnt waste offers on guys we have locked down doesnt keep me up at night.

    The chart says they need to have long arms. For example, Cade is the shortest at 6'4" but he has a 6'7" wingspan. Our other not P5 offered OT is 6'7" tall. As I said, you can identify this pattern with all our "lowest ranked" recruits. We are clearly interested in measurables like height.

    And only like 11 of the top 100 OTs are unsigned. We did a bangup job and now we need to get them on campus. It would not suprise me much to see all this years linemen recruits ATL in 2020. They can save their redshirts for if they get injured.
     
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    Very misleading to keep pointing to TO's two fumbles because they don't explain the offensive woes by a long shot.

    There are eight teams averaging more fumbles than we are, and none of them is scoring less than we do. Some of them are scoring way way more than we do. Michigan, for example, averages more fumbles than we do so far, but they're scoring 32.5 ppg to our 10 ppg.
     
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    Ok I'm following you now. By chart I thought you meant they met some criteria a player has to meet to make the Alabama recruiting radar. We actually have a couple of guys under 6'4" as OG's. But recruiting 6-7 (maybe even 8) on OL makes sense after the low numbers the past 2 years.
     
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    7-8 would mean they are straying from the chart. It might make sense because we did not recruit OTs under PJ (247 says only OT signee in last 5 years was Harrison Jump). PJ played guards at tackle.
     
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    GTCrew Well, I'll be...

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    Resume your regularly scheduled temper tantrums?
     
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    My biggest grievance with the grievances is that they're misdirected beyond Patenaude showing highly questionable QB substitution preferences.

    College athletics is a top down success but the fans only focus on the last three rungs of that ladder: head coach, coordinators, assistants. Since Homer Rice departed the GTAA hasn't had an AD worth a flying fornication until Stansbury arrived. Think about all the successful hires of the last twenty years ... Heppler, Hall, O'Leary, Cremins ... ALL of them Homer Rice hires. Braine got us Hewitt's perpetual contract and infinite Gailey renewals. Radakovich brought us incompetence on NCAA investigations and spending on credit card like we were the United States Congress. Bobinski was a full on no talent *** clown that actively set back by at least 4 years the following programs by nickel and diming them and making terrible hires or contract moves: volleyball, baseball, men's basketball, football, softball.

    But AD isn't the top rung of the ladder. That brings us to Bud Peterson. By all accounts a fine human being and a helluva engineer. But he didn't give two ****s about the athletic programs. It's my understanding that he cared so little he more or less let Hank McCamish hire the new AD after he wrote the check for McCamish Pavilion. That's what got GT none other than Bobinsquatch. And just look at what a fine job Peterson did in making sure the academic side stayed above board and avoided fraud, what since he had all that free time from not caring about the GTAA that much.

    Peterson is now gone. Thank God. The person replacing him is an alumnus with a strong fundraising history. Now if he also simply cares about the GTAA enough to get The Hill out of the way and provide a nurturing environment instead of an actively hostile one for the GTAA ... that's the top rung solved.

    So far so good on Stansbury. I believe he's behind clearing house on the baseball assistants with immediate upgrades that show recruiting impact year one. He tried to give Pastner the cheap axe. He did give Joseph the cheap axe. So he's not above being a hatchet man if the job requires it. EXCELLENT. Especially given the history of contract extensions around here (we'll call it a wash for Stansbury here since he did extend Pastner... a wash is still an upgrade). So far so good on his hires (football, softball has been a slam dunk of a hire). That's the next rung sorted.

    For me Geoff Collins is O'Leary 3.0 (Ross-O'Leary-Collins). Everybody that Collins didn't bring from Temple is an immediate O'Leary connection other than Choice. Key, Coleman, Collins, and Glover all mentioned O'Leary in their introductory pressers. So far so good, even if the offense is flat out offensive.

    The stars do seem to be aligning. But there's still a mountain of Bobinski poo to be excavated and disposed off. The floor is probably going to be the end of November ... football get waxed by the inbreds at the same time Pastner fields a winless-in-conference team where all anybody wants to talk about is probation and Ron Bell. The next 12-18 months are gonna be abject misery to be a GT fan outside of baseball ... and that respite only lasts until regionals. Then it flares up.

    I know AI2020 is top priority for the GTAA and for good reason ... but I'd like to see the A-T Fund overhauled yesterday and have it baked into season tickets to replace the TECH Fund. The A-T Fund should be put on fields that matter to remind fans. And every time we choose to avoid going to games because things are so bad your cardiologist demands you stop going, we need to reflexively have a culture that reinforces sending that now unused money to the A-T Fund. With hold your butt from the seat to show you're not happy? Fine, no problem. Just keep sending the money. If you hate everybody working at the GTAA you can still mark it for permanent endowment ... a voice of permanent support to the GTAA mission even if you're skeptical of all those working there. Living in IPTAY land serves as a constant reminder of just how inadequate the A-T Fund is in its current form.

    Lastly, I'd love to see a facilities master plan. I don't mean the "here's the band aids we're putting on in the next five years" like we've had since Radakovich arrived. I mean a genuine 50 year plan, because with Atlanta real estate YOU BETTER look that far ahead to plan on facilities like BDS. I wish we had the balls to have a Capstone project where architecture students submit their designs for badass stadiums where the facade matches the Tech brickwork you see on campus but where the inside is acoustically designed to retain all noise and where the emphasis on seating volume is placed on the sidelines and box seats and everything is NFL style chairback. I'd love to know if closing Techwood or running it beneath the stadium is viable. That's your simplest long term fix. If not, you probably have to move BDS into what is now Home Park, but that has the bonus of uniting all the athletics facilities in one spot. Both options effectively mean redoing the just redone Edge Center. So accepting that this is off the table at least a decade or two ... but I'd still like to see a facilities plan that looked that far ahead and addressed all the facilities in a sensible manner. And if Coca Cola or BofA or Rocky Mountain Pizza for all I care is willing to cough up 8 figures a year for naming rights ... you do it. If it means BDS is no longer the oldest stadium ... you do it. It certainly isn't or won't be the winningest for long, and I'd rather embrace the innovation DNA than cling to Heisman lore from the 1910's. I can damn sure tell you a recruit looks at the current BDS way more than some Heisman nostalgia when deciding where to go....
     
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    You lost me at relocate BDS.
     
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