Academic Reform?

GTKyle said:
So are there any substance to these arguments or are you guys just going to keep repeating the same things?
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What arguments? You have made some statements that others have taken you to task over. You presented nothing to back up your statements which is exactly what you've been called on.
 
I think Kyle isn't being a total D-Bag here, he just tends to say some dumb things, occasionally. Most of us can agree, as much as we don't like it, that there's students-athletes who don't make the student part their main priority. It's not that bad, but I've been out for two years. I do remember though, a few athletes that weren't always the best students.

Either way, I don't think this will impact SAs, especially the ones that Kyle is referring to, all that much. Taking Physics 2 at Perimeter is fine. Taking intro to management studies(or whatever you take when you ride the M-Train) probably isn't. There's only so many perimeter courses you can hammer into credit at Tech.
 
ncjacket said:
What arguments? You have made some statements that others have taken you to task over. You presented nothing to back up your statements which is exactly what you've been called on.
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I am just saying there is a delicate balance between the Student and Athlete portions of Student-Athlete, and this has swung the balance a bit more toward athlete.


Athletes already get priority registration and free tutoring, now DRad has loosened more rules for athletes and he is saying that it's more even between athletes and regular students now? Please...
 
Well all I'll say is I've got a masters degree in environmental hydraulics and I'm awfully damn glad I took the bulk of my calculus at Southern Tech when I was in high school and transferred it in. The math profs at Tech SUCK DONKEY NADS. They're wretched, horrible teachers, and I'm surprised anyone at Tech survives with as little calculus as you actually learn in Tech classes.
 
GTKyle said:
Athletes already get priority registration and free tutoring
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There is plenty of free tutoring available, and plenty of ways to get priority registration as well without being an athlete. Try signing up to be a FASET leader...

Athletes basically work full time jobs so that you can have a life on gamedays, and you are going to complain that they get to register early so that they can try to arrange their classes so that they can "work" that job? Please...
 
GTKyle said:
I am just saying there is a delicate balance between the Student and Athlete portions of Student-Athlete, and this has swung the balance a bit more toward athlete.


Athletes already get priority registration and free tutoring, now DRad has loosened more rules for athletes and he is saying that it's more even between athletes and regular students now? Please...
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Stop whinning you putz.
 
Athletes give me all sorts of entertainment, enjoyment, and a vicarious life I would otherwise not receive. I'm all for getting them as much help as we can, particularly if we're going to make them take real majors instead of basketweaving. This whole thing seems like a good compromise to me.
 
GTKyle said:
I am just saying there is a delicate balance between the Student and Athlete portions of Student-Athlete, and this has swung the balance a bit more toward athlete.


Athletes already get priority registration and free tutoring, now DRad has loosened more rules for athletes and he is saying that it's more even between athletes and regular students now? Please...
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I am missing your point here. How has this 'swung the balance' when the regular students are able to do this? There not being given special consideration here, they are being treated the same as the regular students, before they were being PENALIZED for being an athlete.
 
GTKyle said:
I am just saying there is a delicate balance between the Student and Athlete portions of Student-Athlete, and this has swung the balance a bit more toward athlete.


Athletes already get priority registration and free tutoring, now DRad has loosened more rules for athletes and he is saying that it's more even between athletes and regular students now? Please...
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GTKYLE, when the athletic program is successful, applications to the school rise. It is the most visible marketing arm of a university. We have been at a disadvantage to the rest of the ACC for quite a while.

For example: You think the arrest of the football player is going to cheapen your degree, its not. Do you think the lack of arrests increase the worth of your degree, it doesn't. The world doens't give a hoot about these things when looking at job candidates. At the end of the day it is you and what you have to sell. Period! Get off of the freaking engineering high horse you are riding.
 
GTKyle said:
I am just saying there is a delicate balance between the Student and Athlete portions of Student-Athlete, and this has swung the balance a bit more toward athlete.


Athletes already get priority registration and free tutoring, now DRad has loosened more rules for athletes and he is saying that it's more even between athletes and regular students now? Please...
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Yes, because regular students aren't required to do the other things outside of class that athletes are. Like practice, training sessions, etc. On top of that regular students can drop to part-time, fall behind when they change majors, etc., none of which is allowable for SAs. Personally, I (and evidently the vast majority of Stingtalkers) don't have a problem with this.
 
SMoney said:
There is plenty of free tutoring available, and plenty of ways to get priority registration as well without being an athlete. Try signing up to be a FASET leader...

Athletes basically work full time jobs so that you can have a life on gamedays, and you are going to complain that they get to register early so that they can try to arrange their classes so that they can "work" that job? Please...
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Individual free tutors for all your classes? No, not really. Also, you don't get priority registration for being a FASET leader anymore.

I am not complaining that they get priority registration as they definitely need it to schedule their classes around practice. What I am saying is that when DRad says the academic playing field wasn't level at Tech for athletes is BS...

Furthermore, the changes Scott mentions on his blog don't really help them academically; they only help the perception that academics is improving.
 
ncjacket said:
Yes, because regular students aren't required to do the other things outside of class that athletes are. Like practice, training sessions, etc. On top of that regular students can drop to part-time, fall behind when they change majors, etc., none of which is allowable for SAs. Personally, I (and evidently the vast majority of Stingtalkers) don't have a problem with this.
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not to mention the fact that the people that get the best treatment are the smartest of all - The Presidents Scholars. they get first registration, private tutoring, study locations, access to other resources, and they are the smartest of all.. why should they get these perks? why, because they EARNED THEM, and that is what the ATHLETES are doing, you big dork Kyle!

i refuse to put "GT" in front of your name, and the "Dodd-like" on your sig is completely disrespectful to Dodd with the obvious levels of dumbass, stupid, and pussy!
 
GTKyle said:
What I am saying is that when DRad says the academic playing field wasn't level at Tech for athletes is BS...

Furthermore, the changes Scott mentions on his blog don't really help them academically; they only help the perception that academics is improving.
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So you're saying the changes suggested don't help, so why are you bitching about them? This is the ultimate in circular arguments...you started it, you claimed the changes were dangerous in that SAs would now "abuse" the system, and now you're saying they won't help anyway. Maybe a course in simple logic would help?
 
BuzzCzar said:
not to mention the fact that the people that get the best treatment are the smartest of all - The Presidents Scholars. they get first registration, private tutoring, study locations, access to other resources, and they are the smartest of all.. why should they get these perks? why, because they EARNED THEM, and that is what the ATHLETES are doing, you big dork Kyle!

i refuse to put "GT" in front of your name, and the "Dodd-like" on your sig is completely disrespectful to Dodd with the obvious levels of dumbass, stupid, and pussy!
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Do you even read my posts? Seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7p4mioawIA
 
ncjacket said:
So you're saying the changes suggested don't help, so why are you bitching about them? This is the ultimate in circular arguments...you started it, you claimed the changes were dangerous in that SAs would now "abuse" the system, and now you're saying they won't help anyway. Maybe a course in simple logic would help?
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It can't be both?
 
beej67 said:
The math profs at Tech SUCK DONKEY NADS. They're wretched, horrible teachers, and I'm surprised anyone at Tech survives with as little calculus as you actually learn in Tech classes.
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They ain't all bad. I took II & IV w/ Dr. Yang Wang (You can call me "Yang", you can call me "Dr. Wang" or "Mr. Wang", but please don't call me "Asshole".) He was really good. I tried to sign up for him for III as well, but due to staffing problems they rearranged the profs after I had signed up. I got stuck with a painfully introverted grad student who mumbled to the dry erase board. In a lecture hall, no less. You couldn't hear him unless you sat in the front row. But my TA was decent, and I learned more from him that quarter than from the prof.
 
I had Karlen for Calc 4, friends had Bellinfante, both should be fired. Had the dept head for DiffE, he should be fired too.
 
beej67 said:
I had Karlen for Calc 4, friends had Bellinfante, both should be fired. Had the dept head for DiffE, he should be fired too.
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I almost had Karlen, then they switched me out. His linear algebra book sucks. Calc 3 was the only class where I had a real prof teach the class. He was good too, much better than the grad students I had for the other ones.

I still need to take statistics. I'll be taking the ISYE one, of course.
 
I took the Civil statistics class and smoked it. We did have a good prof, though.

I also smoked linear algebra, even though my prof was completely unintelligible.
 
GTKyle said:
I almost had Karlen, then they switched me out. His linear algebra book sucks.
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Agreed, worst textbook I ever had. 35 pages of instruction, followed by half of an example and "the remainder is left as an exercise to the reader."

Not a bad guy one and one though, I was stuck with him for Calc 3 and was a regular during his tutoring time, if I hadn't had that I would have 3-peted it like calc 2.
 
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