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Reading the Wake v. UVA thread, it made me wonder how the ACC coaches rank. I think the top 2 are pretty clear but after that, it's a crap shoot. How would you you rank them in an honest assessment?
 
I can honestly only name five ACC coaches. Collins, Norvell, Cutcliffe, Brown, and Swinney.

Does Amato still coach NC State?
 
JJacket said:
I can honestly only name five ACC coaches. Collins, Norvell, Cutcliffe, Brown, and Swinney.

Does Amato still coach NC State?
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White Shoes Amato has been gone for what seems like 2 Decades, boy the ACC has really taken some reaches to fill HC vacancies

Manny Diaz is one you might know
 
PressManCoverage said:
White Shoes Amato has been gone for what seems like 2 Decades, boy the ACC has really taken some reaches to fill HC vacancies

Manny Diaz is one you might know
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Hell, I thought Diaz had been fired already. Soon, I suppose. Miami is becoming Vanderbilt
 
I don’t know if I could rank them, but they could be put into tiers:

Tier 1 (Dabo)
Dabo

Tier 2 (Good Coaches)
Mack Brown
David Cutcliffe
Dave Clawson

Tier 3 (Meh)
Dave Doeren
Dino Babers
Bronco Mendenhall
Scott Satterfield
Pat Narduzzi
Jeff Hafley
Justin Fuente

Tier 4 (It’s Been Ugly)
Mike Norvell
Manny Diaz
Geoff Collins


I actually struggled a little with where to put CGC, but I think this is fair, based on performance. If we can replicate last week’s performance going forward and pick up 5-7 wins this season, then he moves firmly into Tier 3.


(edit) bumped Clawson up to Tier 2
 
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johncu said:
I don’t know if I could rank them, but they could be put into tiers:

Tier 1 (Dabo)
Dabo

Tier 2 (Good Coaches)
Mack Brown
David Cutcliffe

Tier 3 (Meh)
Dave Doeren
Dave Clawson
Dino Babers
Bronco Mendenhall
Scott Satterfield
Pat Narduzzi
Jeff Hafley
Justin Fuente

Tier 4 (It’s Been Ugly)
Mike Norvell
Manny Diaz
Geoff Collins


I actually struggled a little with where to put CGC, but I think this is fair, based on performance. If we can replicate last week’s performance going forward and pick up 5-7 wins this season, then he moves firmly into Tier 3.
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So somehow the Syracuse coach isn't a 3?
 
johncu said:
I don’t know if I could rank them, but they could be put into tiers:

Tier 1 (Dabo)
Dabo

Tier 2 (Good Coaches)
Mack Brown
David Cutcliffe

Tier 3 (Meh)
Dave Doeren
Dave Clawson
Dino Babers
Bronco Mendenhall
Scott Satterfield
Pat Narduzzi
Jeff Hafley
Justin Fuente

Tier 4 (It’s Been Ugly)
Mike Norvell
Manny Diaz
Geoff Collins


I actually struggled a little with where to put CGC, but I think this is fair, based on performance. If we can replicate last week’s performance going forward and pick up 5-7 wins this season, then he moves firmly into Tier 3.
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This is a reasonable division. Just about everyone in that tier 3 has had games, stretches, or entire seasons where their teams perform well enough that they seem like they might be a really good coach, only for things to regress shortly thereafter.

In terms of body of work, Mack Brown and Cutcliffe should be above those guys. I think both are past their primes, though, although Mack obviously still has a boatload of talent to work with. I might put Clawson in that second tier, just because Grobe's tenure at Wake ended with five straight losing seasons and Clawson has them outperforming Duke most years now.
 
johncu said:
I don’t know if I could rank them, but they could be put into tiers:

Tier 1 (Dabo)
Dabo

Tier 2 (Good Coaches)
Mack Brown
David Cutcliffe

Tier 3 (Meh)
Dave Doeren
Dave Clawson
Dino Babers
Bronco Mendenhall
Scott Satterfield
Pat Narduzzi
Jeff Hafley
Justin Fuente

Tier 4 (It’s Been Ugly)
Mike Norvell
Manny Diaz
Geoff Collins


I actually struggled a little with where to put CGC, but I think this is fair, based on performance. If we can replicate last week’s performance going forward and pick up 5-7 wins this season, then he moves firmly into Tier 3.
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Highly unfair to put CGC in tier4 considering the greatest transformation that GT FB has had to overcome, not just the great transition after they get to GT, but he had to rebuild Contacts with in State HS FB Coaches that the previous Staff rubbed the wrong way for some unexplainable reason

Hard to make any quick Fixes when the local in-State HS Coaches have basically seen GT turn into a non option for their Players for 11 straight years , I imagine that when CGC took over there were HS Coaches not returning GT's calls

Given the stubbornness of the "GT way" CGC is deserving of being in Tier3

GT is a a hard place to Coach because of self inflicted crap from the School itself, that's one reason that Boss Ross left GT for what was one of the worst owners and Teams at that Time (San Diego)

Be fair to CGC Tier3
 
PressManCoverage said:
Highly unfair to put CGC in tier4 considering the greatest transformation that GT FB has had to overcome, not just the great transition after they get to GT, but he had to rebuild Contacts with in State HS FB Coaches that the previous Staff rubbed the wrong way for some unexplainable reason

Hard to make any quick Fixes when the local in-State HS Coaches have basically seen GT turn into a non option for their Players for 11 straight years , I imagine that when CGC took over there were HS Coaches not returning GT's calls

Given the stubbornness of the "GT way" CGC is deserving of being in Tier3

GT is a a hard place to Coach because of self inflicted crap from the School itself, that's one reason that Boss Ross left GT for what was one of the worst owners and Teams at that Time (San Diego)

Be fair to CGC Tier3
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Boss Ross took them to two Super Bowls tho
 
PressManCoverage said:
Highly unfair to put CGC in tier4 considering the greatest transformation that GT FB has had to overcome, not just the great transition after they get to GT, but he had to rebuild Contacts with in State HS FB Coaches that the previous Staff rubbed the wrong way for some unexplainable reason

Hard to make any quick Fixes when the local in-State HS Coaches have basically seen GT turn into a non option for their Players for 11 straight years , I imagine that when CGC took over there were HS Coaches not returning GT's calls

Given the stubbornness of the "GT way" CGC is deserving of being in Tier3

GT is a a hard place to Coach because of self inflicted crap from the School itself, that's one reason that Boss Ross left GT for what was one of the worst owners and Teams at that Time (San Diego)

Be fair to CGC Tier3
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So the 4 star recruits we get now that we weren't getting during CPJ come from where since HS coaches now see GT as a non option for their players?

Or am I misunderstanding something?
 
PressManCoverage said:
Highly unfair to put CGC in tier4 considering the greatest transformation that GT FB has had to overcome, not just the great transition after they get to GT, but he had to rebuild Contacts with in State HS FB Coaches that the previous Staff rubbed the wrong way for some unexplainable reason

Hard to make any quick Fixes when the local in-State HS Coaches have basically seen GT turn into a non option for their Players for 11 straight years , I imagine that when CGC took over there were HS Coaches not returning GT's calls

Given the stubbornness of the "GT way" CGC is deserving of being in Tier3

GT is a a hard place to Coach because of self inflicted crap from the School itself, that's one reason that Boss Ross left GT for what was one of the worst owners and Teams at that Time (San Diego)

Be fair to CGC Tier3
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Damn, I guess CGC does have enough time to troll the sports boards.

Welcome Geoff!
 
PressManCoverage said:
Highly unfair to put CGC in tier4 considering the greatest transformation that GT FB has had to overcome, not just the great transition after they get to GT, but he had to rebuild Contacts with in State HS FB Coaches that the previous Staff rubbed the wrong way for some unexplainable reason

Hard to make any quick Fixes when the local in-State HS Coaches have basically seen GT turn into a non option for their Players for 11 straight years , I imagine that when CGC took over there were HS Coaches not returning GT's calls

Given the stubbornness of the "GT way" CGC is deserving of being in Tier3

GT is a a hard place to Coach because of self inflicted crap from the School itself, that's one reason that Boss Ross left GT for what was one of the worst owners and Teams at that Time (San Diego)

Be fair to CGC Tier3
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I would put Norvell and Collins in their own category of too early to say.
 
cbee said:
Reading the Wake v. UVA thread, it made me wonder how the ACC coaches rank. I think the top 2 are pretty clear but after that, it's a crap shoot. How would you you rank them in an honest assessment?
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I don't know their names, so I will rank them by how well coached the teams look.

(1) WF - B - That guy must be a good coach. No. 1 right now.

(2) UNC - B - Brown's a good coach. But, losing to VT keeps me from thinking he's a great coach.

(3) NCS - B - Will know more later today. Maybe average.

(4) Clemson - B - He's a good recruiter and has a lot of advantages. Don't think he's a great coach, though.

(5) Pitt - B - Seems competent.

(6) VT - C - Maybe average.

(7) UVA - C - I thought he was a good coach, but it looks like he's in decline now.

(8) GT - C -Collins has ranged from F to B this year. I'll put him at C. But tonight can move him up or down in my book.

(9) Duke - C - He's done good at Duke, but seems in decline now.

(10) BC - C - Can't be worse than a lot of these guys.

(11) Louisville - C - Mediocre.

(12) Syracuse - D - Not looking too good.

(13) Miami - D - Hard to think he's very good.

(14) FSU - D - Not looking good. Doing much less with much more.

All these guys are hard to assess, because the ACC is such a weak FB league. I doubt any of them would survive in the SEC.
 
johncu said:
I don’t know if I could rank them, but they could be put into tiers:

Tier 1 (Dabo)
Dabo

Tier 2 (Good Coaches)
Mack Brown
David Cutcliffe
Dave Clawson

Tier 3 (Meh)
Dave Doeren
Dino Babers
Bronco Mendenhall
Scott Satterfield
Pat Narduzzi
Jeff Hafley
Justin Fuente

Tier 4 (It’s Been Ugly)
Mike Norvell
Manny Diaz
Geoff Collins


I actually struggled a little with where to put CGC, but I think this is fair, based on performance. If we can replicate last week’s performance going forward and pick up 5-7 wins this season, then he moves firmly into Tier 3.


(edit) bumped Clawson up to Tier 2
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Do you really think Cutcliffe is a good coach? He’s 35-71 in ACC play. Two seasons above .500 in conference play in 13 years. GTFO.
 
PressManCoverage said:
Highly unfair to put CGC in tier4 considering the greatest transformation that GT FB has had to overcome, not just the great transition after they get to GT, but he had to rebuild Contacts with in State HS FB Coaches that the previous Staff rubbed the wrong way for some unexplainable reason

Hard to make any quick Fixes when the local in-State HS Coaches have basically seen GT turn into a non option for their Players for 11 straight years , I imagine that when CGC took over there were HS Coaches not returning GT's calls

Given the stubbornness of the "GT way" CGC is deserving of being in Tier3

GT is a a hard place to Coach because of self inflicted crap from the School itself, that's one reason that Boss Ross left GT for what was one of the worst owners and Teams at that Time (San Diego)

Be fair to CGC Tier3
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Tier 3 represents relative mediocrity. 6 wins in 2 years is not mediocrity, and 1 “good loss” does not change that.

Like I said, he has plenty of time to turn things around. It’s way too early to form concrete conclusions. Make a bowl this year and he is on his way up. Bare minimum is that we should be competitive a weekly basis. No more losing to overmatched opponents, getting blown out by mediocre ACC teams, or absolutely humiliated by anybody. I’m not trying to be negative because last week was a great step forward - just telling it like it is.
 
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