ACC Commissioner faces questions of conference revenue gaps, realignment

FightOn!Jacket said:
If the level of competition in the ACC which is arguably 5th out of the P5 is appropriately matched to what you think is the ceiling for GT, then GT might as well join the Sun Belt. GT is barely above Dook from the bottom of the ACC as of today.

The program should have enough talent around the SE states to field a competitive product. But the school itself which invests nothing into sports continues to be the football and hoops worst enemy. The school has a real decision to make in the next few years. Are they ”all in” with supporting a competitive product, or are they satisfied with a G5 product? Looking at it today, it’s a pretty simple answer.
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It’s as silly to look at our current state and say “OMG, we’re gonna be Duke forever” as it is to believe that we’re going to somehow fundraise and recruit ourselves into the top tier of teams given the current state and trajectory of college football.

It wouldn’t be the end of the world to me to see us end up in a league of like-minded schools that we could realistically compete with (e.g., teams like the current ACC) rather than end up as a punching bag that desperately wants to believe we’re “playing with the big boys.”

JRjr
 
vapspwi said:
I’m a fan of GT. I think the the level of competition we face in the ACC is appropriately matched with our ceiling as a program in the modern era of college football.

I’m not at all interested in watching us play Big 10 teams because historically and geographically there’s no relationship there. I’m also not interested in watching us get our asses kicked in perpetuity because we think we can actually compete in the upper echelons of the semi-pro league that college football is becoming.
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vapspwi said:
It wouldn’t be the end of the world to me to see us end up in a league of like-minded schools that we could realistically compete with (e.g., teams like the current ACC) rather than end up as a punching bag that desperately wants to believe we’re “playing with the big boys.”
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Since the school in Athens falls under that semi-pro league category, does this mean you're in favor of dropping COFH then? Because we have been dragged for four years and that is likely to continue as the revenue gap increases.
 
gtchief said:
Since the school in Athens falls under that semi-pro league category, does this mean you're in favor of dropping COFH then? Because we have been dragged for four years and that is likely to continue as the revenue gap increases.
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Out of pride and stubbornness, I’d rather that Tech not be the one to drop it, but I wouldn’t shed any tears to not have to play them every year. I’ve been to every game against them the the last 20+ years, and it’s not fun. Even when we beat them, it’s more of a relief than a joy. Not having to deal with them in 2020 was surprisingly enjoyable.

JRjr
 
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vapspwi said:
It’s as silly to look at our current state and say “OMG, we’re gonna be Duke forever” as it is to believe that we’re going to somehow fundraise and recruit ourselves into the top tier of teams given the current state and trajectory of college football.

It wouldn’t be the end of the world to me to see us end up in a league of like-minded schools that we could realistically compete with (e.g., teams like the current ACC) rather than end up as a punching bag that desperately wants to believe we’re “playing with the big boys.”

JRjr
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Not a single person has said GT will be at the level of Duke forever. But if you think having a league with let’s just say Duke, UVA, BC, Stanford, Cal, etc is going to thrive, you’re kidding yourself. It would be a G5 level league that would have no impact on any Playoff, etc. if you’re fine with a league like that, theres nothing wrong with it. Just realize, a league like that is all but throwing in the towel.

Flip side, the B1G is a conference full of “like minded schools” with a focus on academics.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
Not a single person has said GT will be at the level of Duke forever. But if you think having a league with let’s just say Duke, UVA, BC, Stanford, Cal, etc is going to thrive, you’re kidding yourself. It would be a G5 level league that would have no impact on any Playoff, etc. if you’re fine with a league like that, theres nothing wrong with it. Just realize, a league like that is all but throwing in the towel.
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As opposed to the impact we’ve been having on the BCS/Playoff for the last 25 years, even when we were good?

I wonder if a “real college football” league could prosper if all the factories ascended to the semi-pro, NFL Lite level. Probably not, but it doesn’t seem any less likely than us prospering at that semi-pro tier, either.

JRjr
 
vapspwi said:
Out of pride and stubbornness, I’d rather that Tech not be the one to drop it, but I wouldn’t shed any tears to not have to play them every year. I’ve been to every game against them the the last 20+ years, and it’s not fun. Even when we beat them, it’s more of a relief than a joy. Not having to deal with them in 2020 was surprisingly enjoyable.

JRjr
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I am going to pretend I didn't read this.
 
vapspwi said:
As opposed to the impact we’ve been having on the BCS/Playoff for the last 25 years, even when we were good?

I wonder if a “real college football” league could prosper if all the factories ascended to the semi-pro, NFL Lite level. Probably not, but it doesn’t seem any less likely than us prospering at that semi-pro tier, either.

JRjr
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There already is a “real college football league” that is 100% run by the NCAA. It’s FCS, D2, D3, etc.

The monetary impact of GT not being in a relevant contract with guaranteed money pretty much eliminates GT football. The GTAA has generally been in the red annually for how long now? And that’s with ACC shared revenue. Take that a2ay or slice in half, and then what?

Again goes back to the walking contradiction that GT is. Claims all these 1/X millionaire grads who do not give 2 ishes about giving back to athletics.
 
vapspwi said:
It’s as silly to look at our current state and say “OMG, we’re gonna be Duke forever” as it is to believe that we’re going to somehow fundraise and recruit ourselves into the top tier of teams given the current state and trajectory of college football.

It wouldn’t be the end of the world to me to see us end up in a league of like-minded schools that we could realistically compete with (e.g., teams like the current ACC) rather than end up as a punching bag that desperately wants to believe we’re “playing with the big boys.”

JRjr
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We weren’t a punching bag at all under Ross, O’Leary, and most of Paul Johnson’s tenure. We held a winning record over Clemson until recently. And we wouldn’t be a punching bag now if we had hired a coach who had a clue. GT isn’t Bama. But we are absolutely capable of competing with every school in the B1G. I just want to get away from The Carolina boys.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
We weren’t a punching bag at all under Ross, O’Leary, and most of Paul Johnson’s tenure. We held a winning record over Clemson until recently. And we wouldn’t be a punching bag now if we had hired a coach who had a clue. GT isn’t Bama. But we are absolutely capable of competing with every school in the B1G. I just want to get away from The Carolina boys.
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That’s a stretch. tOSU is at another level. If GT can’t compete with Clemson, they would have a hard time with tOSU. The B1G is a much tougher conference top to bottom when comparing it to the ACC. But to pin all the problems of the last 3 years solely at the feet of Collins is simply wrong. Should GT have been better overall starting last year? Yes. But 2019, 2020 were a fact of lack of talent along the LOS and COVID. No excuses for the product on the field last year.

Year 4 should show marked improvement across the board, but I doubt it. This is where coaching at all levels on the staff need to show it. GT made some nice offensive hires in the off-season, so in theory it should translate into a better O. But again, it will all depend on the OL. The defense is what it is. GT has fielded 1 good D since Tenuta, and that was Johnson’s first year which had the most NFL talent on D GT has had in a long time.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
We weren’t a punching bag at all under Ross, O’Leary, and most of Paul Johnson’s tenure. We held a winning record over Clemson until recently. And we wouldn’t be a punching bag now if we had hired a coach who had a clue. GT isn’t Bama. But we are absolutely capable of competing with every school in the B1G. I just want to get away from The Carolina boys.
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If the ACC is a bunch of second rate weak sisters like many believe, and we’re maybe a 7-5 ACC team on average over the last ~30 years, then it stands to reason that the ACC is about the right level of competition for us. If the Big 10 or the SEC is the big, prestigious step up in level of competition over the ACC that many believe, then it stands to reason that we’d be worse than 7-5 (i.e., a punching bag) in those leagues.

Some believe that the extra cash would help us pull ourselves up to the higher level of competition, but I’m skeptical of that given the other factors in play for GT (limited majors and all that stuff).

JRjr
 
If I were Jim Phillips I would use this as an opportunity to dissolve The ACC and create a 20-25 team conference of colleges that do not participate in NIL or player portal.

This conference would have its own “national championship”.

The other college national championship is laughable. It has zero to do with college.



I think you try to keep most of the ACC including the Carolina teams, and possibly pull Purdue and PSU from the B1G. Notre Dame won’t bite. They are a special program and always have been.
 
vapspwi said:
If the ACC is a bunch of second rate weak sisters like many believe, and we’re maybe a 7-5 ACC team on average over the last ~30 years, then it stands to reason that the ACC is about the right level of competition for us. If the Big 10 or the SEC is the big, prestigious step up in level of competition over the ACC that many believe, then it stands to reason that we’d be worse than 7-5 (i.e., a punching bag) in those leagues.

Some believe that the extra cash would help us pull ourselves up to the higher level of competition, but I’m skeptical of that given the other factors in play for GT (limited majors and all that stuff).

JRjr
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I don’t agree with all your posts.

But your “We’re average 7-5 in The ACC 30 yrs” is a sobering reality that I have to agree with.

Maybe GT joins another league of non-NIL CFB for a separate and real “amateur championship”.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
If I were Jim Phillips I would use this as an opportunity to dissolve The ACC and create a 20-25 team conference of colleges that do not participate in NIL or player portal.

This conference would have its own “national championship”.

The other college national championship is laughable. It has zero to do with college.



I think you try to keep most of the ACC including the Carolina teams, and possibly pull Purdue and PSU from the B1G. Notre Dame won’t bite. They are a special program and always have been.
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Quite possibly the dumbest idea in history. The conference would be full of FCS talent with no TV contract. The idea of telling a kid he cannot cash in for his NIL is beyond ridiculous at this point. Any other 18-22 yo can make money marketing themselves, why can’t SA’s?

The simple fix is the players get paid via a percent of gate proceeds and any NIL deal, and the scholarships no longer cover tuition. They will still get room & board, food and travel expenses, but they pay their own tuition.
 
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