All Time Tech Starting Lineup

BarrelORum said:
So you give the run to Joe when he had more rushing yards in a season and a career than any Tech QB before him.
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Yeah Joe was not the runner Billy was on the option,yes he was faster but he was not 6-1 and two hundered pounds playing SEC football with hosses on the other side.I will give you the edge on the total amount of yards but different eras equal different modes of offense.Lothridge was the go to guy and when it was needed he could run it,throw it ..............and kick the hell out of it when we needed him to do so.Just my perception as a old guy watching both of them and in fact I would give Shawn Jones the edge over Joe in some cases such as running and throwing.Stats may lie but I am sure you are familiar with all time leaders at tech but Lothridge was all time winner in my book.Selah.
 
Let's see BOR makes the argument that players of Dodd's era lacked the size to play in today's game but as an example of current greats he uses a 5'7' 175 lb qb. Hilarious.
Offenses have an easier time racking up yardage in today's game because of rule changes over the years to emphasize offense, but I guarantee Lil Joe or just about anybody else from any era would have a difficult time scoring on the Alabama , GT, or Ole Miss teams of the early sixties playing under the rules of that era.
I have never seen a better receiver than Fred Bilentnikof? out of FSU, Jack Tatum would knock any current player on his butt I guarantee.
How was Lil Joe on field goals?
Could he punt?
Kick an extra point?
Lothridge could do it all!
Lil Joe as good as he was would ride the pines behind Lothridge.
 
atlanta jacket said:
I think it was that lard ass Woody Hayes
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Agree with you but have heard Ole Frank Howard,you know the old Clemins coach say the same thing.One thing was for sure there was no air show out there in many stadiums in the late fifties and sixties.Hell Namath didnt throw all that much and he was at the start of his career at Bama ........a wonderful option qb.
 
georgytech said:
Let's see BOR makes the argument that players of Dodd's era lacked the size to play in today's game but as an example of current greats he uses a 5'7' 175 lb qb. Hilarious.
Offenses have an easier time racking up yardage in today's game because of rule changes over the years to emphasize offense, but I guarantee Lil Joe or just about anybody else from any era would have a difficult time scoring on the Alabama , GT, or Ole Miss teams of the early sixties playing under the rules of that era.
I have never seen a better receiver than Fred Bilentnikof? out of FSU, Jack Tatum would knock any current player on his butt I guarantee.
How was Lil Joe on field goals?
Could he punt?
Kick an extra point?
Lothridge could do it all!
Lil Joe as good as he was would ride the pines behind Lothridge.
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I guess my point is the young guys have not seen the old guys such as a Lothridge or a Stabler or Namath of Griffin or Cannon or Tarkington play in their prime.Now if you took those guys and plugged them in to todays offense they could run it without a hitch.Yeah guys are bigger now and have speed but dont tell me a Maxie Baugh or a Larry Stalling couldnt play today.Dont tell me that a Auer,Brown,Teas,Ivory,Baynam,Lenny SNow,Bussell etc would be slow as concrete setting when all of them could break (and this is for Doc setting me stright)ten seconds for 100 yards.Point is they had the ability to change with the times in my opinion.Apples and Oranges maybe but Dodd didnt recruit SLOW footed backs.Hell the guys could play and play well with anybody.
 
mack said:
with hosses on the other side.
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Ummm, I'm willing to bet my house, home and every possession I own that the average size and speed of an SEC player in the early 60's on starting defense at every position was much smaller than the average size of their late 90's counterparts in ACC play. Do you really want to disagree with this too?:dunno:
 
georgytech said:
Let's see BOR makes the argument that players of Dodd's era lacked the size to play in today's game but as an example of current greats he uses a 5'7' 175 lb qb. Hilarious.
Offenses have an easier time racking up yardage in today's game because of rule changes over the years to emphasize offense, but I guarantee Lil Joe or just about anybody else from any era would have a difficult time scoring on the Alabama , GT, or Ole Miss teams of the early sixties playing under the rules of that era.
I have never seen a better receiver than Fred Bilentnikof? out of FSU, Jack Tatum would knock any current player on his butt I guarantee.
How was Lil Joe on field goals?
Could he punt?
Kick an extra point?
Lothridge could do it all!
Lil Joe as good as he was would ride the pines behind Lothridge.
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Another laughable post. My point (obviously it went way over your head) was that a 5-7" Hamilton was playing against Guys much bigger and much faster than Lothridge played against AND his stats blew away Lothridge.

And the question wasn't who was a better kicker it was who is a better QB dummy. Judging by statistics, AJ Suggs was better than
Lothridge, so your point fails. Joe Hamilton, all time leader in ACC yards from scrimmage, surely he is GT's all time best.
 
BarrelORum said:
Listen, nobody said it did start when we were born (1972 for me). Most of us are as students of the history and tradition at GT as some of you old timers. I've read a lot of books and stories on Heisman and Dodd and like you embrace that tradition and history. Guys like Injun Joe Guyon, Clint Castleberry, George Morris, Bill Curry, Randy Rhino, Jeff Ford, Billy Lothridge, etc. etc. on down the line were all part of that fabric we are so proud of.

But the bottom line is those players then would have a really hard time making a dent on the starting lineup today. Eric Wilcox has the record for most tackles in one game in 1967 with 38 and he was a 6-0" 225 lb DE. And listing him at 6-0" is generous as I've met the man and I'm 6-1".

If you honestly believe that by and large most of those players would have been able to do the same thing in this day and age, well, you're just not being honest about the improvements in athleticism in the players over the last 40 years. Very few if ANY would be able to break in the starting lineup.

The fact that Joe Hamilton all 5-7" 175 lbs could come in and do what he did because he was a special athlete both physically and mentally and NOT be considered your top QB, totally strips you of any credibility and displays a bias that is predicated on stubborness about "your era". You take a kid like Dwyer and place him on one of Dodd's squads in the 50's and he would be considered as legendary to the college game as Jim Brown.

That's not saying those guys were not good. Its all relative. They were greats during their time. However, their results were based on playing on average a lower quality of athlete. So when a guy like Hamilton has more than 5 TIMES the stats of a Lothridge AND played against a higher quality of athlete, well, Im sorry, but he's better.

The only argument I've heard is "Well, I saw both of them play and Lothridge was better". That's completely subjective because you were watching one guy go up against a lesser quality athletic opponent, and if you CANNOT admit that to be the absolute truth, you have no business rendering an opinion on this in the first place because you know nothing about the game of football.

The ONLY credit I will give the older football athletes is they were far more tougher than todays players as they had to endure injuries and a scrappier form of football. But that doesn't mean they were better athletically, they weren't.
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Dude I had finished my third year of coaching when you were born.I saw the guys with my own eyes when you were still a baby.If you still think that the teams today were better than the Bamas or Auburn etc of the sixties man for man then you need to start watching films.Of course if you think Billy was the lesser qb then fine since its clear with your age you never saw him live and thats fine with me but I am here to tell you the guys back then could play with the guys today.Dont think with proper wt training and more coaching that they could not.Now you take a JD and put him on a Dodd team and do you actually think he would carry the ball twenty times a game,the didnt do that back then,do you think he would be a better runner than Lenny Snow ? Come off it dude your age and my age are at a crossroads and I will simply say the guys that I mentioned could play at any level at any time.hell the all played Pro ball and thats better than what we have now.Of course we agree about toughness and it was differenet era but yes the present tech team would have trouble playing in the fifties after last years perfomance.
 
mack said:
Dude I had finished my third year of coaching when you were born.I saw the guys with my own eyes when you were still a baby.If you still think that the teams today were better than the Bamas or Auburn etc of the sixties man for man then you need to start watching films.Of course if you think Billy was the lesser qb then fine since its clear with your age you never saw him live and thats fine with me but I am here to tell you the guys back then could play with the guys today.Dont think with proper wt training and more coaching that they could not.Now you take a JD and put him on a Dodd team and do you actually think he would carry the ball twenty times a game,the didnt do that back then,do you think he would be a better runner than Lenny Snow ? Come off it dude your age and my age are at a crossroads and I will simply say the guys that I mentioned could play at any level at any time.hell the all played Pro ball and thats better than what we have now.Of course we agree about toughness and it was differenet era but yes the present tech team would have trouble playing in the fifties after last years perfomance.
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Seriously? Seriously? Stop it. You are embarrassing yourself. Even Bill Curry noted he would not have been as successful in today's modern football. The speed and size of the game has totally changed. Hell Sports Illustrated did several articles in the 90's discussing the growth of dlineman and olineman from 1950's to 1990's and it was not even CLOSE. You are being silly. Silly. The introduction of the african american athlete ALONE is testament to how ridiculous your opinion is.
 
BarrelORum said:
Ummm, I'm willing to bet my house, home and every possession I own that the average size and speed of an SEC player in the early 60's on starting defense at every position was much smaller than the average size of their late 90's counterparts in ACC play. Do you really want to disagree with this too?:dunno:
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I am willing to concede the point that size would be correct in todays football but not speed.Do you think a Leroy Jordan or Larry Morris or a Doug Atkins etc couldnt play today.My point has always been that the basic fundamental core of the guys we mentioned at tech in the fifties and sixties is strong enough to excell in any era if they had the wt training ant the coaching they have now.Now if you want a arm twisting match I would say you are correct todays players would win but give those old guys time and they could compete.It is funny that the guys you mentioned made All Pro and cant play in todays teams.Dont think you want to go there with Curry,Shaw,Baughn,Morris,Davis,Martin,Toner ,Bussell etc.since I am sure the modern teams today were not the equivalent of NFL in the sixties.If they could play then then they could play today.
 
Between 1970 and today the average size of NFL olineman has increased by 1" and over 60 lbs.

DT's 50 lbs more
DE's 35 lbs more


You think they got slower? Cause I can't find that info.
 
BarrelORum said:
Seriously? Seriously? Stop it. You are embarrassing yourself. Even Bill Curry noted he would not have been as successful in today's modern football. The speed and size of the game has totally changed. Hell Sports Illustrated did several articles in the 90's discussing the growth of dlineman and olineman from 1950's to 1990's and it was not even CLOSE. You are being silly. Silly. The introduction of the african american athlete ALONE is testament to how ridiculous your opinion is.
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Not only Bill Curry, Stan Flowers of the Dodd fame era told me they couldnt hold a candle to the speed of the game now. I did see Lothridge play and Stan Gann,Chick Graning and many more.
 
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BarrelORum said:
Between 1970 and today the average size of NFL olineman has increased by 1" and over 60 lbs.

DT's 50 lbs more
DE's 35 lbs more


You think they got slower? Cause I can't find that info.
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I sent you a PM,read and get back to me and we will continue the discussion.No doubt they are bigger but still the guys in the sixties can or could play today.Man would I love to see a Lothridge run the triple option and pitch to SNow,it would be a sight for sore eyes.
 
atlanta jacket said:
Not only Bill Curry, Stan Flowers of the Dodd fame era told me they couldnt hold a candle to the speed of the game now. I did see Lothridge play and Stan Gann,Chick Graning and many more.
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Good for you so you must know tht Gann and Chick and Billy were not speed deamons at all but they could play.Gann lost job to Lothridge and Graning never got over Holt.Did you see Snow,Auer,Bussell and Bayham run and you dont think they could not fly.How fast do you think guys are now at tech ? I think Flowers played some Pro ball but bet ole Billy could have bulked up to two ninety and played.
 
mack said:
If you still think that the teams today were better than the Bamas or Auburn etc of the sixties man for man then you need to start watching films.
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Yes, the teams today are much better than the teams then. Now if we were arguing basketball, I would agree with you because when the NBA started stripping the college ranks for talent, then the game digressed, but that hasn't happened in football.

Of course if you think Billy was the lesser qb then fine since its clear with your age you never saw him live and thats fine with me but I am here to tell you the guys back then could play with the guys today.
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Lets see. Lothridge was bigger and played against smaller and less athletic teams than Joe Hamilton, yet Hamilton outshines Lothridge's stats over 5-1 and the game hasn't changed THAT much to indicate that offenses have 5 times as much yardage than they did then. your entire opinion is flawed.

Dont think with proper wt training and more coaching that they could not.Now you take a JD and put him on a Dodd team and do you actually think he would carry the ball twenty times a game,the didnt do that back then,do you think he would be a better runner than Lenny Snow ?
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LOL See Jim Brown. Dodd would be stupid not to habd the ball off to Dwyer 20 + times.

Come off it dude your age and my age are at a crossroads and I will simply say the guys that I mentioned could play at any level at any time.hell the all played Pro ball and thats better than what we have now.Of course we agree about toughness and it was differenet era but yes the present tech team would have trouble playing in the fifties after last years perfomance.
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But that's not what you are saying. You are saying that those guys are better and that's just laughable. The guys you mentioned MAY hhave been able to play at today's level and they MAY have been able to contribute but overall, the average player then is not even close to the average player now. So while there may be special exceptions like George Morris, Curry, etc., by and large I am right.
 
mack said:
Good for you so you must know tht Gann and Chick and Billy were not speed deamons at all but they could play.Gann lost job to Lothridge and Graning never got over Holt.Did you see Snow,Auer,Bussell and Bayham run and you dont think they could not fly.How fast do you think guys are now at tech ? I think Flowers played some Pro ball but bet ole Billy could have bulked up to two ninety and played.
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I know they can all play, Lenny Snow, Joe Auer,Craig Baynham were good in that era, they could not RUN with todays athletes.
 
Another laughable post. My point (obviously it went way over your head) was that a 5-7" Hamilton was playing against Guys much bigger and much faster than Lothridge played against AND his stats blew away Lothridge.

And the question wasn't who was a better kicker it was who is a better QB dummy. Judging by statistics, AJ Suggs was better than
Lothridge, so your point fails. Joe Hamilton, all time leader in ACC yards from scrimmage, surely he is GT's all time best.
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Stats? Stats are crap! We are talking about who was the better football player, let's see the kicking game is an important aspect of football is it not? Lothridge played defensive back in the NFL too as well as punted there, could run & pass, a leader.
Personal confrontation seems to be your forte. Can you not discuss a topic without resorting to name calling or are you just a product of today's generation & their lack of civility?
Lothridge was better without a doubt. In his day they didn't throw the ball all over the place , they played defense & field position football. JH's numbers are directly due to rules making it easier for offenses to throw & score points to entertain today's attention deficit disordered fans.
 
georgytech said:
Another laughable post. My point (obviously it went way over your head) was that a 5-7" Hamilton was playing against Guys much bigger and much faster than Lothridge played against AND his stats blew away Lothridge.

And the question wasn't who was a better kicker it was who is a better QB dummy. Judging by statistics, AJ Suggs was better than
Lothridge, so your point fails. Joe Hamilton, all time leader in ACC yards from scrimmage, surely he is GT's all time best.
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Stats? Stats are crap! We are talking about who was the better football player, let's see the kicking game is an important aspect of football is it not? Lothridge played defensive back in the NFL too as well as punted there, could run & pass, a leader.
Personal confrontation seems to be your forte. Can you not discuss a topic without resorting to name calling or are you just a product of today's generation & their lack of civility?
Lothridge was better without a doubt. In his day they didn't throw the ball all over the place , they played defense & field position football. JH's numbers are directly due to rules making it easier for offenses to throw & score points to entertain today's attention deficit disordered fans.
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The question was NOT who was the best Mr. Gridiron, the argument was who is GT's all time best QB. Just QB. Take all the other crap away because it doesn't have any place in this argument. And there's such thing as a quote button. I suggest you learn to use it as its a lot less difficult to follow your post.

I'm sorry if I seem rude. But my civilty goes out the window when people not just argue, but continue to defend incorrect positions that have a mountain of evidence against them. It borders on stupidity.

Listen, I love the fact that some of you guys can come on here and educate the younger generation about some of the greatest players in GT's history, and no doubt they were indeed GREAT players in their time. But don't argue that they could have held a candle to todays players and in mack's position take the position that they would have done better, that's just silly. While some of them may have been able to hold their own, for the most part, on average, they couldn't hold today's players jock straps. Which firther proves my point that Hamilton was by far the best. Not only were his stats light years ahead of Lothridge, Lil Joe did it against far better competition. 1998 Boston College team which was average at best, would have been in the National Championship picture in any year in 1950.
 
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