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TO EACH HIS OWN i GUESS ,let see now you are sayig Lothridge is playing against lesser talent ?? Come on dude,Bama aint quality football team,dont think so.You think the teams in the SEC in the sixties are not as good as the teams now due to size and speed ? Will give you that but there is no maybe,get this right dude,no maybe that the folks I mentioned couldnt play in the ACC right now.Never have made a blanket statement that any team Dodd coached could have played one on one with todays athletes.What I have said and the proof is there with recent posts,is that the notion that Dodd and his team didnt have the (1)talent to compete today nor did they have (2) The speed to play in todays ACC is wrong.I would tend to agree on BB since ACC is a BB league but not football.Tell you what go back and see how many carries Jimmy Brown got at Syracuse and look up Cannons carries at LSU.Dont think JD is in those guys leagues but you think what you will.
Nothing flawed here my young friend,offensive football changed in the seventies with more wide open formations such as the Wishbone and spread but hey,Dont tell me the backs I mentioned nor the linebackers couldnt play today.No failed logic in that I promise you.Guess you had to be there to see both sides.I saw them and like you have formed a opinion that is based upon the size and speed of the guys I mentioned.Would the guys have to bulk up or get more coaching ? Sure they would but they have the foundation to do that.Now cant tell you about Clint or others but can tell you about Dodd football vs todays.
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Craig Baynham had some serious jets, but overall, I agree.
stinger78
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Lenny Snow in the open field could run with just about anyone today. He's no Chris Johnson-CJ Spiller type, but he was easily as fast as Franco Harris, Marion Barber or Michael Turner... or Tashard Choice.
The guys of that era were talented guys. Trying to compare guys across eras, with all the different equipment, training, nutrition and S&D is simplistic. You put George Morris on the training regimen the athletes go through today beginning in HS, and see what he would have become. Ditto Dick Butkus, Ray Nitschke, Alex Karras, Jethro Pugh, Jack Lambert or Bill Curry.
We're giving athletes today a HUGE advantage and not imputing backwards to those of yesterday.
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Notice I did put him as my other CB beside Willie Clay because quite honestly we just have lacked strong cornerbacks as GT.
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Just quoting this one because it's close by....
BOR: By your logic, today's scout team player would be an A-A in the era I played in under Carson (1969-1971), based purely on physical attributes alone.
Not so fast, my friend. Whatever makes someone a member of the Scout Team in this era would have them in the same place in my era.
As I heard a zillion times in the Navy, is "It's all about how you do in traffic," or as Coach Luck used to say about scouting kids who didn't play in the state's largest HS classification, "Does he dominate?" Jim's implication is the lower the class of ball, the more the kid needs to be obviously "head and shoulders" better than the players he is up against.
Herschel Walker at Sandersville, Brent Cunningham at Putnam County, Bobby Thigpen at Warrenton or Ray Guy at Thomson, all, repeat all dominated their opponents. And that's all we've been saying about BtK, Billy Martin/Shaw/Schroer, Perdoni, Ford,Ted Davis, et al, in their respective eras.
But since this is more about era v. era, the analogy must be made, as has been stated that the greats would be great in whatever era you put them in. What made them great in 1963, or would hold them in good stead in 2011.
FWIW, I no more believe today's scout team member would dominate in the 1960s than I can fly. What makes him a scrub today would make him a scrub then.
But that's just my opinion, I could bee wrong.
BOR: By your logic, today's scout team player would be an A-A in the era I played in under Carson (1969-1971), based purely on physical attributes alone.
Not so fast, my friend. Whatever makes someone a member of the Scout Team in this era would have them in the same place in my era.
As I heard a zillion times in the Navy, is "It's all about how you do in traffic," or as Coach Luck used to say about scouting kids who didn't play in the state's largest HS classification, "Does he dominate?" Jim's implication is the lower the class of ball, the more the kid needs to be obviously "head and shoulders" better than the players he is up against.
Herschel Walker at Sandersville, Brent Cunningham at Putnam County, Bobby Thigpen at Warrenton or Ray Guy at Thomson, all, repeat all dominated their opponents. And that's all we've been saying about BtK, Billy Martin/Shaw/Schroer, Perdoni, Ford,Ted Davis, et al, in their respective eras.
But since this is more about era v. era, the analogy must be made, as has been stated that the greats would be great in whatever era you put them in. What made them great in 1963, or would hold them in good stead in 2011.
FWIW, I no more believe today's scout team member would dominate in the 1960s than I can fly. What makes him a scrub today would make him a scrub then.
But that's just my opinion, I could bee wrong.
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Deepsnap, I never said today's scout team would be all americans. What I said is in so many words is you'd be hard pressed to find more than two or three players in any given year prior to 1972 from any previous Tech squad that would break the starting lineup in any of our somewhat decent years.
Sure there are exceptions to that rule. As you said, the great ones would always be great regardless of era. But back to my point... Lothridge, no matter how great he was, was not greater than Joe Hamilton for the reasons I've discussed ad nauseum in this thread. Specifically the great leaps in athleticism you see int he game today compared to then.
And FWIW, I once had the chance to ask Rock Perdoni that and he in so many words confirmed what has now become my opinion.
Sure there are exceptions to that rule. As you said, the great ones would always be great regardless of era. But back to my point... Lothridge, no matter how great he was, was not greater than Joe Hamilton for the reasons I've discussed ad nauseum in this thread. Specifically the great leaps in athleticism you see int he game today compared to then.
And FWIW, I once had the chance to ask Rock Perdoni that and he in so many words confirmed what has now become my opinion.
Like the bud song you have said it all.
Well said,not that I disagree with BOR on all things but its a great disservice for a Snow or King or Morris etc to not be given the ability to play in our decent years.They are first competitors and would have made the adjustments to play with modern athlete.I will find at least three guys on each era team under Dodd that could play with our decent teams today.Dodds sixty two team could play,remember ever offensive lineman was drafted along with two of the backs.What is funny to me is if you can playl in the NFL for years the implication I get is since it was in the sixties your skills dont count for much.Nope saw the best Tech had for years and we were lucky to have guys like a Cunningham and others.Young guys need to as Casey said look it up.We have been blessed with some mighty good football players.Hope we dont run out soon either.
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No he didn't. In fact you haven't either. There is not one statistical analysis, historian's speculation, football theories, expert opinion etc. etc. etc on down the line that would come close to supporting your opinion other than your own eyes which apparently are some type of magical seeing eyes that can stubbornly disagree with size and speed statistics, game statistics, facts such as the emergence of the black athlete in college football and the effects it has had on the game, as well as the natural progression as well as massive interest in the game of football, NOT to mention the sheer NUMBERS that there are 50 times the amount of kids playing football at the highschool level than there were 40-50 years ago that pools a naturally higher selection of athlete which is why the game has advanced so much in size and speed, etc. etc. etc.
But damn be it all because your eyes are ****ing magical!!
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What's better, boys, numbers or magic?
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Trick question, because I would want to say magic, but its like if you lined up the easter bunny next to a bull dyke and a transexual homosexual midget... unfortunately one of them is not actually real.
Oh my young friend it is not fun when the elders spank you is it ! IN court eye witness testimony is better than your books and your films.You are a numbers man who use them to prove your point in your own mind.I could go on and on but hey I like my magical eyes since sorry,but the truth is the truth and Lothridge was a winner and the best .Hey go back when you calm down and look at what I posted.I said the guys I NAMED had the speed etc to play in any era.You seem to think that if they played at all in the Sixties they couldn't play now.Oh Deep Snap has been there first hand so maybe he has those magical eyes also.Chill out dude,your facts and figures are fine but the intestinal courage that makes a winner today was still there in the sixties.Hey when did I say the black athlete was not a factor.I said the guys I named could play with any of our DECENT teams as you put it.
Sorry but thats what my magical eyes see at this point.Dont worry you will be fine in the morning.
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Spank me? Give me a break. I've pulled your dress completely off and exposed your little wee wee in front of everyone and yet you still parade around like the emperor with no clothes. Seriously, I like you and all, but your opinion is borderline retarded.
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How big is the palmetto bug, which must crawl up your ass on a daily basis, to put you in such an ornery mood all the time. Who did this to you?
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I blame mack. He's like my grandfather who keeps asking me for his dentures and I'm like "Hey grandpa, you put them in over an hour ago!"
I'm just live on the high string. Its just who I am. In a good way though.
HEY HOW DID YOU KNOW I DO THIS ABOUT ONCE A WEEK!!!!!!!!! WORST THING IS WHEN I GETUP IN THE MORNING AND REMEMBER THAT THEY ARE STILL IN MY MOUTH.OH WELL MY EYES ARE PRETTY GOOD.........DAMN WHERE ARE MY GLASSES. later:dancingcool:
DUDE BUT YEP AT TIMES I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK.GOOD ONE.
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In answer, I give you David Greene. No great athletic specimen - less so than Billy Lothridge, in fact. But he was/is the winningest QB in UGAg history... as of 2005.