Are we better off?

stingem103 said:
Im not saying GT and ND are exactly the same. I just think we can have great academics and a good football program. I feel like it is a crutch that GT fans use to explain our mediocrity. Apathy all around...
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It's not a crutch it's reality in todays landscape. The more ways you have to get kids in and on track to graduate the better chance you have at competing.
 
KG01 said:
It's not a crutch it's reality in todays landscape. The more ways you have to get kids in and on track to graduate the better chance you have at competing.
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It's not to say that good football players are dumb, either. If a player has the size, speed, and ability to play at the NFL level (say a 4 or 5 star athlete), he may ask himself why he would want to exert the time and effort to study. Like the Ohio State player said, he's there to play football not play school.

It is not an uncommon attitude for young people to have, anyway. I talked to a cadet at a service academy, once, who was majoring in History. I asked him, why History when you have a good Engineering school? He said all he wanted to do was fly and had no interest in building bridges or designing machinery.
 
stingem103 said:
Im not saying GT and ND are exactly the same. I just think we can have great academics and a good football program. I feel like it is a crutch that GT fans use to explain our mediocrity. Apathy all around...
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It's a real problem. It's not a crutch. How old are you?
 
BarrelORum said:
It's a real problem. It's not a crutch. How old are you?
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I am in my mid 20s. Maybe crutch was a poor choice of words. I just don't think we have to accept the way things are. If GT wants a better football program, they can make it happen.
 
More seriously, this:
WrongShadeOfGold said:
Record wise we might be in a better place cause we would finish 7-5 but program wise we would likely be worse because of fan apathy towards CCG. You think the frustration with and booing at tevin were bad? That would be nothing compared to the booing for gailey.
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The stadium would have been empty from 2008 on if we kept Chan. Empty.
 
SGA_Jacket said:
I'm going to get hammered for this. I'm aware. There are people on here who won't even consider what I'm about to say. This isn't a "Fire Paul Johnson" thread. I've defended Paul Johnson the last couple of years and I had a lot of confidence in his ability to take us to the next level. This is just something I've been thinking about and I think it could make for a good discussion.

If Chan Gailey was our coach right now would we be a better football program? I think it is a legit question. I know people are going to come back with "PJ won the ACC and Chan never beat UGA. Hear me out before you stop reading.

Chan was not a great recruiter. His classes from 2002-2006 were not overly impressive, even though we had several All-Conference and All-American performers. In 2007, he put together a stellar class. Those guys are the reason we beat UGA in 08 and won the ACC in 09 and PJ did a good job of coaching those years.

During the Chan era, it seemed like our problem, personnel wise, was the QB position. Our defense was pretty good and kept us in a lot of games, our offensive line was solid most years, we cranked out productive RB's every single year (Hollings, Daniels, Choice) and we had a guy named Calvin Johnson followed by Demaryius Thomas. We even had really good kickers and punters. However, we won 7 games a year and we were anemic on offense. It seemed like we were really good in every aspect except for the QB position for 6 years.

Chan was putting together another solid class in 2008. That class included Sean Renfree, who was a 4 star recruit and ranked the #10 QB in the class of 2008. Renfree has been pretty good at Duke considering their talent. It seemed like we finally had a competent QB on the roster and it looked like we were going to have our second really good recruiting class in a row.

We all know what happened.

If we would have kept Chan around and stayed the course, with our recruiting trending upward and a couple of talented QB's on the roster, would we be in a better position than we are right now?
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I did not read the 7 pages that followed this post, but I would say most likely not, because the OL talent that Chan had started recruiting his last 2 seasons was not very stellar. A QB cannot overcome a bad OL, and on top of that, I never saw QB's get better under Chan, so who's to say that Renfree would have improved or regressed. I think history says that he would have regressed under Gailey's tutelage.

With that said, CPJ does not seem to develop QB's dramatically either.
 
BarrelORum said:
No dumb ----. It's stupid to live in the past. Pretty simple concept jackass. If you're gonna play "what if", at least make a better argument than you did. Your entire point is stupid.

I'll say it again, I don't know what is worse. Losing or having to read dumb as ---- posts on the message boards after we lose.
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Uh oh. Internet tough guy. I heard that was your MO. Big tough guy calling people names. I bet you feel big and tough.
 
BarrelORum said:
You dont make a good argument. Outside of Renfree the entire 2008 class which Chan mostly recruited, sucked ass.
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We had a number of highly ranked players other than Renfree decommit. We were on our way to a top 30 class at least.
 
I thought firing Gailey was a bad idea. He had us enjoying winning seasons and bowl games - that is in my opinion a reasonable definition of success for a football coach at Georgia Tech. But, many argued against me that I was accepting mediocrity. We had no ACC championship nor win over UGA. I just maintained that when you have a coach who has won over a six year period staying with him will be your best chance at long term success.

The fire Chan group won out and I admit that I believe CPJ got more out of the players in his first two seasons. I don't know that I would argue Chan would have beaten UGA in '08 or won the ACC in '09. My best guess is that we would have won 7 to 9 games a year with Chan.

Now I hope CPJ will adapt as a Coach and make some changes in his approach. He needs to come off more likeable. We need to upgrade recruiting. We need to put together a better coaching staff, let those coaches coach, and hold them accountable. I believe he should at least be open to changing or adapting his offensive philosophy. But, I will not be calling for his dismissal. I hope he makes the changes needed to get us back to winning seasons, bowl games, and competitiveness with UGA, our best conference foes, and in bowl games.
 
stingem103 said:
I am in my mid 20s. Maybe crutch was a poor choice of words. I just don't think we have to accept the way things are. If GT wants a better football program, they can make it happen.
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Yes, I agree with that. But how good? Unless things change on The Hill and in the BOR, a ten win season occasionally is about as good as you should hope for.
 
SGA_Jacket said:
We had a number of highly ranked players other than Renfree decommit. We were on our way to a top 30 class at least.
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Who? The majority of the 2008 class stayed together. Most of them sucked ass or we got the most out of them early like Cooper Taylor and Rashad Reid.
 
SGA_Jacket said:
Uh oh. Internet tough guy. I heard that was your MO. Big tough guy calling people names. I bet you feel big and tough.
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I just call a spade a spade. If youre gonna post something dumb as ----, I'm going to tell you.
 
BarrelORum said:
Yes, I agree with that. But how good? Unless things change on The Hill and in the BOR, a ten win season occasionally is about as good as you should hope for.
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I don't even see the point of playing big time football if that is the biggest thing we can expect. I hope things change.
 
BarrelORum said:
I just call a spade a spade. If youre gonna post something dumb as ----, I'm going to tell you.
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Quite a few people thought that it was a legit question. By the way did I ever say that I thought we would be better off with Gailey? No I didn't. Prick.
 
SGA_Jacket said:
Quite a few people thought that it was a legit question. By the way did I ever say that I thought we would be better off with Gailey? No I didn't. Prick.
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How is that a legit question? :rolleyes:

Seriously would love to hear.
 
stingem103 said:
I don't even see the point of playing big time football if that is the biggest thing we can expect. I hope things change.
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i dont quite understand this. there are 120 schools in the NCAA, how can they all go undefeated or win 12 games?

winning most of the time most years, and almost all the games every once in a while to me seems reasonable for a school with a small student body highly focused on academics and research

we were highly competitive when college football was actually played by students, whereas now for the most part its a farm system for the NFL with many of these kids getting out of 'school' and having learned almost nothing. thats not an excuse - its a fact

i dont quite understand those that let the school's football team performance determine their self-worth. if you are such a puss that you cant take your Georgie buddies ribbing you then grow some nads.

I would like to see us be more competitive but i am also realistic and understand that if we stick to our guns on the entrance requirements then we need to face the realities of the situation - because even smart players might CHOOSE to go to a school where they dont have to study so much perhaps

no matter what we do, we will not out-recruit the Alabamas, LSUs, or Georgias except every once in a while

progress to graduation rules would quickly eliminate recruits that cant make it unless we start cheating on a large scale or make easy majors. "different majors" isnt an option, because if they are at Tech they will still be harder than at LSU or Georgie or even Clemson

name schools that win more than 10 on a regular basis. there are like 2 or 3 of them, thats it
 
SGA_Jacket said:
I've already explained why it's a legit question. No reason to explain again. You're as stubborn as our coach.
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I must have missed that. Let's be clear. There's nothing legit about that question. What can our coach do in the offseason to fix our problems and improve our team.... Legit question. Should we keep Charles Kelly as our DC.... Legit question.

Digging up the past that has no ----ing relevance whatsoever to a pertinent discussion..... NOT a legit question. In fact it's retarded.
 
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