Are we even going to make it to December?

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johncu said:
So because protocols are imperfect and some people will still violate them, we should give up on them entirely?
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They're not just imperfect though, they are wildly ineffective in that regard. It's like taking off a diaper to shit in the floor. I implore you to find ONE example of a game where all coaches and fans kept their masks on (above their noses) the entire game.
 
Masks on coaches are definitely for show. Especially considering many coaches, including CGC, opt for gaiters which may be worse than wearing nothing at all. Face shields alone like what Cutcliffe had are also ineffective. Frequent testing and bubbling are what you need in a sports team context.

But optics matter, I guess
 
RoanokeJacket said:
Now you are getting it!

Why waste so much just moving around the times that people catch it
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This is correct. People have conflated "slow the spread" with "stop the spread". Stopping the virus is not possible. The virus is going to do what a virus does, spread through the population until eventually dying off. Back in March when we started "15 days to flatten the curve" the data and assumptions in the Imperial College model were believed to be accurate. Now that we know they were grossly inaccurate and the mortality rate similar to the flu, all these continued measures are only moving around the times people catch the virus as you said.

The Swedish plan of protecting those at risk while the general population becomes immune has proven to be a more efficient method to address this virus.
 
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RoanokeJacket said:
Why waste so much just moving around the times that people catch it
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The more cases you can move until after a vaccine (or effective therapeutics), the better. Because then those cases never actually become cases. Mitigations make sense for this reason.
 
RussianOffense said:
The more cases you can move until after a vaccine (or effective therapeutics), the better. Because then those cases never actually become cases. Mitigations make sense for this reason.
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If the mortality rate were significantly higher I would agree with your position (vaccine development morality issues aside). But what we're experiencing now is a "cure" that's worse than the disease.

- Increased suicide rate
- Undiagnosed or untreated medical needs
- 3 trillion more in national debt
- Lose of jobs, businesses and homes
 
GT to AZ said:
If the mortality rate were significantly higher I would agree with your position (vaccine development morality issues aside). But what we're experiencing now is a "cure" that's worse than the disease.

- Increased suicide rate
- Undiagnosed or untreated medical needs
- 3 trillion more in national debt
- Lose of jobs, businesses and homes
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There are mitigations with low costs to health and the economy, like masks. Some mitigations have higher costs and may not be worth it.

Someone had asked what the point of having college football Covid protocols is if they just move cases around in time. The value of them is they delay/prevent some infections within football programs and among their contacts in the community until/before a vaccine or effective therapeutics are available.

Elements of the protocols may be flawed or not worth it, but the protocols in general aren't pointless.
 
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