Article About Coaching Philosophy, Should Clarify Things

[Techbert]

Sure, I defend Collins when people say obviously false nonsense.

For example, CPJ was recruiting offensive linemen. Oliver was clearly functional running the option.

Oliver could not pitch. Or would not. He was hell on the keeper, but you need more than that. Next.

Johnson got commits from 2 OL when he probably needed 5 after letting the position slide. Where are those two players now? We don't even know for sure if Johnson recruited them or they just said they were coming. Collins honored the other commits. Not them, which casts doubt on their reality.

Johnson also let defensive line slide the coupla years before he left. Those two positions take harder work to recruit than undersized running backs.

I think he was planning his exit strategy and wanted the next coach to look bad so his acolytes would say, "Oh Pawl wudda won with that team. Wish we still had Pawl!" Maybe so. Maybe no. But there is no evidence that contradicts it.

 

[WracerX]

Oliver could not pitch. Or would not. He was hell on the keeper, but you need more than that. Next.

Johnson got commits from 2 OL when he probably needed 5 after letting the position slide. Where are those two players now? We don't even know for sure if Johnson recruited them or they just said they were coming. Collins honored the other commits. Not them, which casts doubt on their reality.

We’ll just stick with your original goalposts. I will assume that you are conceding the ‘stopped recruiting offensive linemen’ since you know there were two in the 2019 class.

As for Oliver, he was 2-0 as a triple option starter. That is functional.

 

[Techbert]

We’ll just stick with your original goalposts. I will assume that you are conceding the ‘stopped recruiting offensive linemen’ since you know there were two in the 2019 class.

As for Oliver, he was 2-0 as a triple option starter. That is functional.

Were there? Where are they now? Tell me where they are now.

You don't think Oliver was exposed in those two wins, that defenses would not have adjusted? Option quarterbacks have to pitch or there is no option. Does not sound functional, regardless of your boxscore scouting.

 

[WracerX]

Were there? Where are they now? Tell me where they are now.

You don't think Oliver was exposed in those two wins, that defenses would not have adjusted? Option quarterbacks have to pitch or there is no option. Does not sound functional, regardless of your boxscore scouting.

Yes, there were offensive linemen in the class. Both coaches and the AD agree on that. You proved yourself wrong.

Back to Oliver, he won those two games, both by double digits. That is functional.

 

[Techbert]

Yes, there were offensive linemen in the class. Both coaches and the AD agree on that. You proved yourself wrong.

Back to Oliver, he won those two games, both by double digits. That is functional.

I said he stopped recruiting offensive line. Even when dealing with literalists, that has not been proven wrong.

 

[johncu]

Oliver could not pitch. Or would not. He was hell on the keeper, but you need more than that. Next.

Johnson got commits from 2 OL when he probably needed 5 after letting the position slide. Where are those two players now? We don't even know for sure if Johnson recruited them or they just said they were coming. Collins honored the other commits. Not them, which casts doubt on their reality.

Johnson also let defensive line slide the coupla years before he left. Those two positions take harder work to recruit than undersized running backs.

I think he was planning his exit strategy and wanted the next coach to look bad so his acolytes would say, "Oh Pawl wudda won with that team. Wish we still had Pawl!" Maybe so. Maybe no. But there is no evidence that contradicts it.

That is a hell of a claim and tells me all I need to know.

CPJ did some incredible things at GT, and was easily one of the best game day coaches in the country. You say 2014 was an anomaly- I say it could’ve (should’ve?) been the norm with a supportive AD and the ability to hire the coaches he actually wanted. I believe that in dealing with all that intraorganizational BS, CPJ got burned out, and started to lose the edge that had made him great.

Either way, what kind of fan downplays some of the best seasons of the last 50+ years because they want to be right about the coach? Very strange, IMO.

 

[WracerX]

I said he stopped recruiting offensive line. Even when dealing with literalists, that has not been proven wrong.

So the two guys you know were in the class weren’t recruited?

 

[Techbert]

So the two guys you know were in the class weren’t recruited?

Do you have any evidence their self-reported claims of offers were real? Where are they now? Which other P5 school snapped them up? Which G5 school snapped them up?

Where? Are? They? Now?

 

[WracerX]

That is a hell of a claim and tells me all I need to know.

CPJ did some incredible things at GT, and was easily one of the best game day coaches in the country. You say 2014 was an anomaly- I say it could’ve (should’ve?) been the norm with a supportive AD and the ability to hire the coaches he actually wanted. I believe that in dealing with all that intraorganizational BS, CPJ got burned out, and started to lose the edge that had made him great.

Either way, what kind of fan downplays some of the best seasons of the last 50+ years because they want to be right about the coach? Very strange, IMO.

No serious analysis would consider 2014 the anomaly in JT5’s three years as a starter. 11 wins, 3 wins, 9 wins.

I am needling Techbert for saying obviously ignorant things. But I do suspect TStan and CPJ had an exit plan and that CPJ bolted a year early. I think there was a pullback on recruiting offensive linemen and it was done to help the next staff by not saddling them with option linemen.

 

[WracerX]

Do you have any evidence their self-reported claims of offers were real? Where are they now? Which other P5 school snapped them up? Which G5 school snapped them up?

Where? Are? They? Now?

Please stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

 

[johncu]

No serious analysis would consider 2014 the anomaly in JT5’s three years as a starter. 11 wins, 3 wins, 9 wins.

I am needling Techbert for saying obviously ignorant things. But I do suspect TStan and CPJ had an exit plan and that CPJ bolted a year early. I think there was a pullback on recruiting offensive linemen and it was done to help the next staff by not saddling them with option linemen.

I agree with this. Plus the guys CPJ had on board were not a good fit for the new regime, so it made sense for all to cut ties and move on.

 

[Techbert]

Please stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

That means you don't know. Because they had no business even being considered for scholarships.

Ignorant is looking at the bare cupboard of offensive linemen, who take years to develop, and saying he was helping the next staff by not saddling them with option linemen. That is unbelievably ignorant that you claim that. Leaving huge gaping holes in the offensive line can cause career-ending injuries. You do realize that, right? I am not embarrassed, but you are humiliating yourself with your apologies.

Collins has taken lemons and made lemonade with it since he came here. He did not reject the option offensive linemen he inherited. He incorporated them and helped them grow. Some are starting today. Others are still on the team. Glad they were here.

 

[QuadF]

I don't understand why we have 2 people here so intensely fanatical about CGC that they have to grossly exaggerate claims about him or the former coach.

Obviously CPJ had trouble recruiting OL his last 2 years. Obviously the roster wasn't ideal for the offense CGC wanted to run. And CPJ was pushed out because his last 2 seasons weren't reflective of where fans expected the program to be.

But acting like CGC has delivered the program to where he needs to only 2 wins into this season? Dismissing the colossal failures of the last 2 seasons and the niu game this year? That reeks of a level of bias incapable of serious discussion - CPJ delivered more wins in his first season than CGC has delivered in his stint as HC!

It finally looks like we're going in the right direction, but we have a lot of football left.

 

[WracerX]

That means you don't know. Because they had no business even being considered for scholarships.

Ignorant is looking at the bare cupboard of offensive linemen, who take years to develop, and saying he was helping the next staff by not saddling them with option linemen. That is unbelievably ignorant that you claim that. Leaving huge gaping holes in the offensive line can cause career-ending injuries. You do realize that, right? I am not embarrassed, but you are humiliating yourself with your apologies.

Collins has taken lemons and made lemonade with it since he came here. He did not reject the option offensive linemen he inherited. He incorporated them and helped them grow. Some are starting today. Others are still on the team. Glad they were here.

Collins filled those holes using the transfer portal. And he got to do so without being stuck with smaller framed guys for 5 years. He didn’t have to chase anyone off, which hurts team chemistry. Collins will have a complete, larger pro-style offensive line sooner because of the way the roster was handled.

You are arguing that the not recruited linemen, who were part of the class until CGC came on, didn’t have any business being on a P5 team but we would be better off with them.

 

[QuadF]

Collins filled those holes using the transfer portal. And he got to do so without being stuck with smaller framed guys for 5 years. He didn’t have to chase anyone off, which hurts team chemistry. Collins will have a complete, larger pro-style offensive line sooner because of the way the roster was handled.

You are arguing that the not recruited linemen, who were part of the class until CGC came on, didn’t have any business being on a P5 team but we would be better off with them.

Collins did chase a few guys off (none on ol that I remember.) We discussed it as part of the "roster management" his first year. The thin OL and turnover is going to make everything twice is hard, and I certainly don't envy coach key.

 

[RoanokeJacket]

I can't guarantee it, but a lot of what is in this Article - it looks as if our own CGC believes in the same Coaching Gospel.

Sam Pittman: Players can't reach their full potential when motivated by fear

Sam Pittman learned a lesson as a young coach while visiting other practices, and its a belief that players will never reach their full potential when motivated by fear.

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That doesn't mean he doesn't practice them hard. Get them to buy in generally and you can ride them hard when needed without losing them. Arky has bought in up to now. don't know about after this week.

 

[GTCrew4b]

Do you have any evidence their self-reported claims of offers were real? Where are they now? Which other P5 school snapped them up? Which G5 school snapped them up?

Where? Are? They? Now?

Well one is dead if you really want to play this card.

and our best OLineman transferred to Texas in Parker Braun.

 

[johncu]

To get back to the original topic, I agree with Pittman. Fear, especially if used consistently, can become a distraction. Not only that, it can eventually kill the love of the game. If you want players to be afraid of anything, it’s letting the team down, not getting bitched out by the coach.

To be clear, that leaves plenty of room for tough love and accountability. Honestly, I wonder sometimes if that was Collins’ missing ingredient over his first couple of seasons. The guys obviously loved being a part of the program, but our attention to detail was lacking. Something has clearly changed, and the results speak for themselves.

 

[GTRules]

What year do you think his first recruits are in? You really think all his recruits are freshman? Like he just recruited them this past off-season? LOL. And please, none of this "the Covid year didn't count" Bravo Sierra, OK?

I'm rooting FOR CGC as long as he is Tech's coach - as I have said here more than once - and have not called for his removal. I want him to win every single game as long as he's our coach.

However, I'm not good at math, but I think (?):

82-61 > 8-18

Of course that could change with a nice 74-43 run over the next nine years or so. Which I'm certainly hoping for, at the very least. Even though IMO, that would still be . . . mediocrity.

You do realize, of course, that CPJ's win/loss record and CCG's win/loss record are almost indistinguishable. And both are a bit better than sainted CBR's. Most of the coaches since CBD have had losing records . . . I think maybe Pepper Rodgers was about .500 and the only one really better than CCG and CPJ was CGOL - and not by as much as you might think.

So, please, Stop sh!tt!ng on CPJ, and Tech's football teams from 2008-2018.

Quit getting your vaginal secretions all over the board.

 

[pianoman]

Back to OP, I’ve read the OB research on this a while back. It depends on the setting, but iirc employees generally respond best to a ratio of about 4-5 positive feedback instances per 1 negative criticism. So bosses ideally find several opportunities for positive feedback for that one criticism to be taken constructively.

Obviously the military operates differently. Sports coaching used to follow the military model, but much less so now. Regarding our football situation, what has puzzled me is the lack of visible anger or disappointment (Saban for example). But I don’t know anything about GT football behind the scenes. The players seem happy and cohesive.