Article About Coaching Philosophy, Should Clarify Things

[WracerX]

Back to OP, I’ve read the OB research on this a while back. It depends on the setting, but iirc employees generally respond best to a ratio of about 4-5 positive feedback instances per 1 negative criticism. So bosses ideally find several opportunities for positive feedback for that one criticism to be taken constructively.

Obviously the military operates differently. Sports coaching used to follow the military model, but much less so now. Regarding our football situation, what has puzzled me is the lack of visible anger or disappointment (Saban for example). But I don’t know anything about GT football behind the scenes. The players seem happy and cohesive.

One thing our current coach does well, is you don’t criticize your players publicly. Burn their butts in the locker room, but in front of the cameras it should be ‘we have things to correct’ or ‘we have to coach better’ when confronted with obvious mistakes. While he became an internet joke, the OkSt coach with his “I’m a man!” speech won hearts in the locker room and on the recruiting trail.

 

[PressManCoverage]

Does your accurate info not include 2009 for some reason? Was that actually Geoff Collin’s team?

-edit- I see he specifically said “WIN” orange bowl. Carry on.

as for the coaching philosophy: I like what CGC is tryi mg to do for the players. My fear is the pendulum will swing too far and we will lose that accountability portion. The benching of Jeff Sims helped alleviate that fear as has the elimination of most dumb penalties. These are positive trends for a young coach learning his way. I remain cautiously optimistic in the new regime and this season. These next 3 weeks will be very telling.

I was only referring to 2014 which was directly addressed by the OP I was replying to.

2009 We won a Conference Title, then proceeded to get smoked in the Bowl Gm, then that Orange Bowl Appearance did nothing to endear GT FB to in State Recruits, this omen should've been heeded more seriously by the AD and powers that run GT FB.

But since you wanna hang your hat on 2009, care to explain why that Season didn't result in at least 2 consecutive exceptional recruiting classes like it does at most Colleges, who do we blame?

What is this worry about losing accountability?

Isn't it amazing that better OLs in better shape with more Talent commit fewer penalties?

First you have to have an understanding of accountability, just because a QB plays "check down Charlie FB" doesn't mean he is more accountable, when Coaches look at the all-22 Film, they might see explosive plays that were possible, and even though the odds on those plays go down to 60-40 a lot of Coaches want you to take that shot to keep defenses honest to open up other parts of the offense in other situations - sometimes the coach wants to QB to show that he'll take a "risk" to keep the opposition honest

In a combat sport like FB you either have talent or you don't, amazing that better players always make the coach look like a genius, give Michigan the same QBs that Ohio State has had over the last decade and then Harbaugh will look like a genius.

Before I finish, Jeff Sims wasn't benched , he was injured, Yates never had a chance to start for us long term, look at the condensed Gm on YouTube, the difference between the 2 is huge

 

[PressManCoverage]

Recruiting was more improving because T Stan was putting money into it.

I’m not sure why any fan wants to piss on the current or former coach.

That just isn't true, GT could've poured tons of Money into Recruiting and it would've been Money whizzed down the drain under our prior HC.

In GA HS FB Players want to Play in the NFL and have NFL Dreams, although it is possible to get to the NFL from any Offense, talented HS Recruits have many options to choose from and they will always choose a better fit offensively for them( like pass-first Spread Systems and Pro Style Offenses) ,for some Reason the previous Coach thought he was Recruiting Players with limited options.

To validate those theories above, can you explain why HS Coaches in GA gave GT FB and our previous HC such a lukewarm reception, wasn't he supposed to Recruit "lights out" because of relationships he built at Ga Southern?

I don't blame the previous HC, I blame the AD, School Prez and the Power Brokers behind the scenes, the truth is our Power Brokers behind the scenes are just not very smart when it comes to CFB, they should have been smart enough to never try the Service Academy option experiment surrounded by so much Elite, High Level HS FB Talent (yeah I'm channeling my inner CGC).

If you are in Kanas, Nebraska, Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Wyoming, New Mexico, Etc, then maybe you bring in a Service Academy Option HC, but you don't do it in the #4 Metro Area for HS FB, think about it - Utah is one of the least diverse States in the US and their College programs have been slinging the ball all over the yard for what seems 50 years, but we sit here in Midtown Atlanta in the middle of what might be the best HS FB in the Country and our Power Brokers that run GT FB thought that the Service Academy Option was the only way to succeed.

That's the same as investing in typewriters after the PC was on every desk loaded with Word Processing Software or MS Word.

I would never run down our former HC, what I've learned over the years is that most of the time you blame Mgmt before you blame Labor.

 

[GTCrew4b]

By accountability I mean, it’s not all fun all the time. There are repercussions for bad actions and poor performance. It’s not just about effort it’s about results. Maintain a competitive atmosphere without being too negative. It’s a difficult balance but it’s what we all experience in our own lives in actual professions or any undertaking of significance.

I agree that too many high school coaches and athletes believe they have the ability to make an NFL roster and that that hurt our recruiting while using the option. I think the explosion of the recruiting scene and social media especially exacerbated that effect. I frequently say that the 2009 UGA game was the most important game in recent GT Football history. Losing that game lost us the in state interest and possibilities of building something. We were just a gimmick after that. We also lost a significant locker room presence in Jeff Monken.

I’m very supportive of this staff and constantly point out they are growing and learning. I am hopeful we see something special over the next 3 weeks, but I recall what happened last year when we put together a nice game against Louisville, we were blasted off our home field 73-7. Followed that up with a road loss to BC looking demoralized, our of sorts, and weak. Followed that up with a home loss to ND again looking anemic and unprepared. So I am very much in wait and see mode. I’ve said several times we should consider ourselves to be the best team in the Coastal Division. We may build up to be the best team in the ACC. We can beat UGA. I think the biggest obstacle is the maturity of the team and coaching staff. The only reason it’s possible is also because of the recruiting and conditioning work of the team and coaching staff.

 

[PressManCoverage]

To get back to the original topic, I agree with Pittman. Fear, especially if used consistently, can become a distraction. Not only that, it can eventually kill the love of the game. If you want players to be afraid of anything, it’s letting the team down, not getting bitched out by the coach.

To be clear, that leaves plenty of room for tough love and accountability. Honestly, I wonder sometimes if that was Collins’ missing ingredient over his first couple of seasons. The guys obviously loved being a part of the program, but our attention to detail was lacking. Something has clearly changed, and the results speak for themselves.

Something has clearly changed.

Jared Ivey is 6-6 270lbs and moves just as well as those DEs in the past that were 6-2 and 245lbs, Zeek Biggers is 6-6 340lbs allegedly, dude might be 360lbs and is just as quick as our guys that were playing DT at 270lbs when CGC got here.

I used those 2 guys as examples, but our Athletes have gotten longer, bigger & faster, with the body types you see at Bama, Ohio State, UGAG, ect

Bigger, faster, better athletes don't have to "guess" , take chances , or gamble on plays, they can just go out and do what the coaches draw up and and to the casual fan they think Wow, the Coach has these guys playing disciplined FB, when what the Coach did was simply put better players on the field.

Notice how "disciplined" Bama became once Saban got his recruiting machine up & running.

Goes back to the old saying , Recruiting is 80% of what makes a Coach successful (Urban Meyer), or this one, "Jimmies & Joes, beat Xs and Os"

 

[JJacket]

What year do you think his first recruits are in? You really think all his recruits are freshman? Like he just recruited them this past off-season? LOL. And please, none of this "the Covid year didn't count" Bravo Sierra, OK?

I'm rooting FOR CGC as long as he is Tech's coach - as I have said here more than once - and have not called for his removal. I want him to win every single game as long as he's our coach.

However, I'm not good at math, but I think (?):

82-61 > 8-18

Of course that could change with a nice 74-43 run over the next nine years or so. Which I'm certainly hoping for, at the very least. Even though IMO, that would still be . . . mediocrity.

You do realize, of course, that CPJ's win/loss record and CCG's win/loss record are almost indistinguishable. And both are a bit better than sainted CBR's. Most of the coaches since CBD have had losing records . . . I think maybe Pepper Rodgers was about .500 and the only one really better than CCG and CPJ was CGOL - and not by as much as you might think.

So, please, Stop sh!tt!ng on CPJ, and Tech's football teams from 2008-2018.

CPJ isn't our coach any longer. Give it a damn rest. We won the Orange Bowl in 2014. Yay!

 

[JJacket]

Something has clearly changed.

Jared Ivey is 6-6 270lbs and moves just as well as those DEs in the past that were 6-2 and 245lbs, Zeek Biggers is 6-6 340lbs allegedly, dude might be 360lbs and is just as quick as our guys that were playing DT at 270lbs when CGC got here.

I used those 2 guys as examples, but our Athletes have gotten longer, bigger & faster, with the body types you see at Bama, Ohio State, UGAG, ect

Bigger, faster, better athletes don't have to "guess" , take chances , or gamble on plays, they can just go out and do what the coaches draw up and and to the casual fan they think Wow, the Coach has these guys playing disciplined FB, when what the Coach did was simply put better players on the field.

Notice how "disciplined" Bama became once Saban got his recruiting machine up & running.

Goes back to the old saying , Recruiting is 80% of what makes a Coach successful (Urban Meyer), or this one, "Jimmies & Joes, beat Xs and Os"

One of UGAg's OL looked around while blocking one of our 270 lb DT's to see if his QB had thrown the ball yet their last visit to GT. We HAD to get these bigger players in. UGAg was beyond dominating us on both OL and DL.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

What year do you think his first recruits are in? You really think all his recruits are freshman? Like he just recruited them this past off-season? LOL. And please, none of this "the Covid year didn't count" Bravo Sierra, OK?

I'm rooting FOR CGC as long as he is Tech's coach - as I have said here more than once - and have not called for his removal. I want him to win every single game as long as he's our coach.

However, I'm not good at math, but I think (?):

82-61 > 8-18

Of course that could change with a nice 74-43 run over the next nine years or so. Which I'm certainly hoping for, at the very least. Even though IMO, that would still be . . . mediocrity.

You do realize, of course, that CPJ's win/loss record and CCG's win/loss record are almost indistinguishable. And both are a bit better than sainted CBR's. Most of the coaches since CBD have had losing records . . . I think maybe Pepper Rodgers was about .500 and the only one really better than CCG and CPJ was CGOL - and not by as much as you might think.

So, please, Stop sh!tt!ng on CPJ, and Tech's football teams from 2008-2018.

Why is it OK to shi!t on CCG teams? Aren't they Tech football teams too? They were competitive with Clemson his entire time here. Those teams never had a losing season whereas PJ had at least 3.

At least no one is sh!tting on GOL's boys. Nor Boss Ross's gang, who (let's be honest) suck-suck-sucked in 1987 lol.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

This is silly. The qbs on the team were a fit for the 3O. The line was fine for the option. The WR core was good for whoever.

Recruiting was more improving because T Stan was putting money into it.

CGC chose to make the transition happen faster. He could have transitioned slowly away from the option. That is fine. He has the team moving in a good direction.

I’m not sure why any fan wants to piss on the current or former coach.

Recruiting was not improving under PJ. It had less to do with money and more to do with the fact that, according to area HS programs, PJ couldn't be bothered to actually visit and recruit there.

I never thought we'd return to a top-30 recruiting destination but that was because I foolishly started buying into the "You can't recruit to GT" wool that PJ had pulled over many of the fans' eyes.

 

[WracerX]

Recruiting was not improving under PJ. It had less to do with money and more to do with the fact that, according to area HS programs, PJ couldn't be bothered to actually visit and recruit there.

I never thought we'd return to a top-30 recruiting destination but that was because I foolishly started buying into the "You can't recruit to GT" wool that PJ had pulled over many of the fans' eyes.

Recruiting was no where near the level CGC has put it, but it was certainly improving. Rating the last 4 full CPJ classes would probably go like this 2018>2017>>2016>2015.

And ‘GT can’t recruit’ isn’t a CPJ invention. I’ve heard every GT coach say it since I’ve watched GT football (92) with one exception. That exception is CGC. He is literally the only one of the last 5 coaches who didn’t say it.

Recruiting is a multi year deal. It took a while for TStan’s impact to fully be felt. We should see the same thing starting this year and next with CGC. We are going to get better players out of HS and fewer transfers.

There are several different types of college coaches, in my opinion. There are system first guys like CPJ, Leach, and Mullen. There are recruiting first guys like CGC, Dabo, Brown, Saban. And there are guys who don’t particularly lean either way like Gailey, Cutcliff, and Doren (NCSt). I’ll call the last group ’program’ guys for lack of a better term.

I would break down the current ACC as follows:

System: Wake(o), UL(o), Pitt(d), UVa(d), FSU(o), VT(o), Cuse(o)
Program: Duke, NCSt, BC
Recruiting: Clemson, GT, UNC, Miami

CGC started way behind in our group because of the transition and generally weak CPJ recruiting. We should see improvement in our group going forward.

One thing differentiates CGC from the others in our group. I think he is much more of a measurables guy than Brown or Diaz. I think CGC would take a high 3 star who fit the mold of his ideal who he can grow into the player he wants (aka Michael Johnson) over someone who is higher rated but shorter/smaller.

 

[Techbert]

Recruiting was no where near the level CGC has put it, but it was certainly improving. Rating the last 4 full CPJ classes would probably go like this 2018>2017>>2016>2015.

And ‘GT can’t recruit’ isn’t a CPJ invention. I’ve heard every GT coach say it since I’ve watched GT football (92) with one exception. That exception is CGC. He is literally the only one of the last 5 coaches who didn’t say it.

Recruiting is a multi year deal. It took a while for TStan’s impact to fully be felt. We should see the same thing starting this year and next with CGC. We are going to get better players out of HS and fewer transfers.

There are several different types of college coaches, in my opinion. There are system first guys like CPJ, Leach, and Mullen. There are recruiting first guys like CGC, Dabo, Brown, Saban. And there are guys who don’t particularly lean either way like Gailey, Cutcliff, and Doren (NCSt). I’ll call the last group ’program’ guys for lack of a better term.

I would break down the current ACC as follows:

System: Wake(o), UL(o), Pitt(d), UVa(d), FSU(o), VT(o), Cuse(o)
Program: Duke, NCSt, BC
Recruiting: Clemson, GT, UNC, Miami

CGC started way behind in our group because of the transition and generally weak CPJ recruiting. We should see improvement in our group going forward.

One thing differentiates CGC from the others in our group. I think he is much more of a measurables guy than Brown or Diaz. I think CGC would take a high 3 star who fit the mold of his ideal who he can grow into the player he wants (aka Michael Johnson) over someone who is higher rated but shorter/smaller.

I guess you don't remember O'Leary chasing length, especially on defense. That sounds a lot like Collins. What is old is new again.

There are two Chans in the recruiting game. The first is where he was told to stay in his lane and pick out sleepers, and he showed a keen eye for them. The second is the Let's Go Big and OMG do you see what Giff Smith and that kid in the office are doing?!?!! Sad, but he never got the fruits of his labor in the second category but he never had a losing season settling for administration-mandated sleepers. (Thanks, Dave!)

 

[GTCrew4b]

Recruiting was not improving under PJ. It had less to do with money and more to do with the fact that, according to area HS programs, PJ couldn't be bothered to actually visit and recruit there.

I never thought we'd return to a top-30 recruiting destination but that was because I foolishly started buying into the "You can't recruit to GT" wool that PJ had pulled over many of the fans' eyes.

PJ stopped visiting places that actively told their recruits not to go to him because they wouldn’t make the NFL out of GT.

 

[GTCrew]

Recruiting was no where near the level CGC has put it, but it was certainly improving. Rating the last 4 full CPJ classes would probably go like this 2018>2017>>2016>2015.

And ‘GT can’t recruit’ isn’t a CPJ invention. I’ve heard every GT coach say it since I’ve watched GT football (92) with one exception. That exception is CGC. He is literally the only one of the last 5 coaches who didn’t say it.

Recruiting is a multi year deal. It took a while for TStan’s impact to fully be felt. We should see the same thing starting this year and next with CGC. We are going to get better players out of HS and fewer transfers.

There are several different types of college coaches, in my opinion. There are system first guys like CPJ, Leach, and Mullen. There are recruiting first guys like CGC, Dabo, Brown, Saban. And there are guys who don’t particularly lean either way like Gailey, Cutcliff, and Doren (NCSt). I’ll call the last group ’program’ guys for lack of a better term.

I would break down the current ACC as follows:

System: Wake(o), UL(o), Pitt(d), UVa(d), FSU(o), VT(o), Cuse(o)
Program: Duke, NCSt, BC
Recruiting: Clemson, GT, UNC, Miami

CGC started way behind in our group because of the transition and generally weak CPJ recruiting. We should see improvement in our group going forward.

One thing differentiates CGC from the others in our group. I think he is much more of a measurables guy than Brown or Diaz. I think CGC would take a high 3 star who fit the mold of his ideal who he can grow into the player he wants (aka Michael Johnson) over someone who is higher rated but shorter/smaller.

Im giving you a thumbs up for that point. Everyone else might be right and CGC might be naive, but if any coach thinks the team he is coaching cant recruit well then he is sure to be proven right.

 

[WracerX]

Im giving you a thumbs up for that point. Everyone else might be right and CGC might be naive, but if any coach thinks the team he is coaching cant recruit well then he is sure to be proven right.

CGC is showing we can recruit well. His hurdle is to show we can recruit well enough to get to where the moneymen want to be. If he can put together a few 2007 classes and the coordinators can show they can maximize those recruits, we should be pretty good. I’m not saying Clemson/FSU peak level good, but we should be able to string together a Frank Beamer peak type run. That is top 10 with a NFL qb, and top 20 otherwise.

 

[Liberty]

Every coaching philosophy is good when you’re winning. When you start losing it’s dwag öööö.

 

[PressManCoverage]

PJ stopped visiting places that actively told their recruits not to go to him because they wouldn’t make the NFL out of GT.

At that point do you blame the Customer that is buying what you are selling, or do you try a different approach, like maybe run some of the Spread Concepts you used earlier in your Career?

Maybe once you find out that the Product you are selling is that undesirable to the Market that you are trying to sell to, shouldn't you make changes?

Both theories above might be very wrong, but one thing isn't wrong, you cant blame the Recruits and the HS Coaches, so who is left to take the blame?

 

[GTCrew4b]

At that point do you blame the Customer that is buying what you are selling, or do you try a different approach, like maybe run some of the Spread Concepts you used earlier in your Career?

Maybe once you find out that the Product you are selling is that undesirable to the Market that you are trying to sell to, shouldn't you make changes?

Both theories above might be very wrong, but one thing isn't wrong, you cant blame the Recruits and the HS Coaches, so who is left to take the blame?

I can very much blame the HS coaches. In many cases they are among the scummiest of the earth.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

PJ stopped visiting places that actively told their recruits not to go to him because they wouldn’t make the NFL out of GT.

proof? PJ stopped visiting all ATL area HSs, according to area HS coaches.

 

[JJacket]

Damn guys, 12/13 on our DL ATL are freshmen to RS sophomores. I'm guessing Clayton and White aren't playing because they are not better than our future players. It is tough. It was a chance on White, being he doesn't have much experience on the DL to begin with, but apparently hasn't lived up to what we had hoped he would be. Clayton has apparently just had life issues and perhaps focusing on football just isn't for him.

It is disappointing that several fonts on here seem to live to want our staff to fail.

 

[ElCidBUZZingFAN]

Damn guys, 12/13 on our DL ATL are freshmen to RS sophomores. I'm guessing Clayton and White aren't playing because they are not better than our future players. It is tough. It was a chance on White, being he doesn't have much experience on the DL to begin with, but apparently hasn't lived up to what we had hoped he would be. Clayton has apparently just had life issues and perhaps focusing on football just isn't for him.

It is disappointing that several fonts on here seem to live to want our staff to fail.

White is hurt. I haven’t heard about Clayton.

The idea for White’s transfer was to get NFL tape against better competition. It’s still yet to be seen whether this changes his decision, but he’s got another year left, if he wants it.