Athletic ACC mailbag: Who should Georgia Tech hire?

MACHETE said:
Useless article. Also, we are not going back to the T.O. Also hearing Willie Fritz in pole position from a good source.
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Willie Fritz is 62 years old. We are not ready to win tomorrow as we have a roster full of overrated players (5 & 4Stars) it is going to take 3 years to fix collins mess. Willie is not coming to GT. He might jump to the SEC via Auburn, but not GT.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
Monken is laughable. For the life of me I cannot understand why people believe that Paul Johnson could not win at the end of his tenure running the triple option here and Monken can. Paul Johnson has forgotten more football than Monken understands.

It will be Chadwell. that’s our solid hire.

But it’s not gonna solve any problems if Georgia Tech cannot get out of the ACC and into the B1G IMO. The ACC is going to be dead in FB within a decade.
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I get that you do not like Paul Johnson. But to your point Jeff Monken was with Paul Johnson during the early days at GT. he then went on to upset Florida while rebuilding Ga Southern and then went to Army and rebuilt that program. So one conclude had Monken stayed on staff maybe GT wins more towards the end of his career.

To your point that the ACC is going to be dead in FB within a decade, where you one of the folks who said the ACC would never have a network? Were one of the folks who said that Clemson and FSU were heading in 2015 to the BIG12 or SEC? At some point you have to give the ACC its due going from 5th in the P5 to 3rd. I mean pretty impressive from where the ACC was 2012 to 2022.... I wouldn't say the ACC FB is dead in 2032.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
Monken is laughable. For the life of me I cannot understand why people believe that Paul Johnson could not win at the end of his tenure running the triple option here and Monken can. Paul Johnson has forgotten more football than Monken understands.

It will be Chadwell. that’s our solid hire.

But it’s not gonna solve any problems if Georgia Tech cannot get out of the ACC and into the B1G IMO. The ACC is going to be dead in FB within a decade.
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Paul Johnson was winning at the end of his career. He just wasn’t beating national title contenders regularly. We were 8-4, 6-6, and 7-5 his last 3 regular seasons here. Jeff Monken would’ve had us in the ACC CG at least 2 of the last four years if we went that route, but we were led by idiots.

I like Chadwell.
I like J. Monken
I like Cignetti
I like O Brien

we have lots of good options
 
jacket_sav said:
I mostly agree with this post, except I would argue that Tech ought to be a more appealing coaching destination than most of those schools. There are clear advantages that Tech has over every school except Auburn when it comes to recruiting. Of course, everyone usually likes to point out that Tech's academics make it harder to get the recruits they want--but I would think the transfer portal could help them pick up some good players at least for a season or two. Academics aside, most young players ought to want to go to Atlanta over to almost any of these places (except Denver, CO). Auburn probably is going to be number one on that list because of the SEC, but otherwise Tech ought to be one of the more attractive jobs on the market. *ought to be*
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I agree with your overall point on recruiting, except for 3 things:

1. Smaller pool to recruit from due to academics.
2. GT is in the middle of a major city, which can be a deterrent to recruits.
3. The state of Georgia is raided by every major program outside of the SE (OSU, Michigan, USC, etc) in addition to UGA and the remainder of the SEC + ACC.

ASU is a perfect job for someone. Great weather, academics are not as rigorous, and they can recruit Arizona, Texas and California. With USC, UCLA going to the B1G, that makes life in the soon to be P10 again much easier. Especially with the expanded CFP coming soon.

Wisconsin is the closest program to GT on the list of open jobs due to academics.
 
bonham said:
This is a loser mentality. We have a lot of positives. Just haven’t found a coach who can take advantage of them.
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No. A loser mentality is seeing the following excuses constantly (not saying you) by the GT fanbase:

1. The state of Georgia BOR is preventing GT from winning.
2. The ACC is doing everything to prevent GT from winning.
3. The NCAA is doing everything to prevent GT from winning.
4. The AJC, media etc are always negative towards GT.
5. The AJC, media etc are always negative towards GT if they do give coverage.

Did I miss any? The little brother syndrome is alive and well.

Does GT have advantages over ASU, Auburn, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Colorado? Yes. Academics.

If you go by the current rankings from US News they are as follows:

#38 - Wisconsin
#44 - GT
#97 - Auburn
#97 - Colorado
#121 - ASU
#151 - Nebraska

GT is behind the following ACC / SEC schools + ND:

#10 - Duke
#13 - Vandy
#18 - ND
#25 - UVA
#29 - UF
#29 - UNC
#29 - Wake
#36 - BC
#38 - Texas

UGA comes in at #49.


Reality is not every recruit wants to go to a school in a major city vs college town. Most kids are not in it for the academics. And for as much as some want to play it down, conference and size of stadium / attendance do matter.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
No. A loser mentality is seeing the following excuses constantly (not saying you) by the GT fanbase:

1. The state of Georgia BOR is preventing GT from winning.
2. The ACC is doing everything to prevent GT from winning.
3. The NCAA is doing everything to prevent GT from winning.
4. The AJC, media etc are always negative towards GT.
5. The AJC, media etc are always negative towards GT if they do give coverage.

Did I miss any? The little brother syndrome is alive and well.

Does GT have advantages over ASU, Auburn, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Colorado? Yes. Academics.

If you go by the current rankings from US News they are as follows:

#38 - Wisconsin
#44 - GT
#97 - Auburn
#97 - Colorado
#121 - ASU
#151 - Nebraska

GT is behind the following ACC / SEC schools + ND:

#10 - Duke
#13 - Vandy
#18 - ND
#25 - UVA
#29 - UF
#29 - UNC
#29 - Wake
#36 - BC
#38 - Texas

UGA comes in at #49.


Reality is not every recruit wants to go to a school in a major city vs college town. Most kids are not in it for the academics. And for as much as some want to play it down, conference and size of stadium / attendance do matter.
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I mean, saying "Everything about GT (being in Atlanta, being in GA, academics) is preventing GT from winning" isn't much better. With how low the job seems compared to other openings in your view and all it's challenges, who do you think we can actually get then?
 
GTLiebs said:
I mean, saying "Everything about GT (being in Atlanta, being in GA, academics) is preventing GT from winning" isn't much better. With how low the job seems compared to other openings in your view and all it's challenges, who do you think we can actually get then?
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I’m not saying GT isn’t an attractive job. I think BOB, Chadwell should both be at the top of the list. I think both would be great hires.

Just want to caution that the finalists a short 4 years ago were Ken Whisenhunt and Collins.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
I’m not saying GT isn’t an attractive job. I think BOB, Chadwell should both be at the top of the list. I think both would be great hires.

Just want to caution that the finalists a short 4 years ago were Ken Whisenhunt and Collins.
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From what I have heard, the issue with the last part was more one of self-limiting than lack of possibilities. If that was true, I'd view a BOB hire in a very similar light.
 
GTLiebs said:
From what I have heard, the issue with the last part was more one of self-limiting than lack of possibilities. If that was true, I'd view a BOB hire in a very similar light.
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So if BOB isn’t a good choice to you, who are your top choices? And Deion per “insiders” is not interested in GT.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
So if BOB isn’t a good choice to you, who are your top choices? And Deion per “insiders” is not interested in GT.
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Chadwell and Clark probably leading in my mind (if the latter is willing). My issue with BOB isn't even mainly that he would be a bad choice, but that it would be a choice made cause of connections and not cause of whether he'd be good or not.
 
GTCrew4b said:
Paul Johnson was winning at the end of his career. He just wasn’t beating national title contenders regularly. We were 8-4, 6-6, and 7-5 his last 3 regular seasons here. Jeff Monken would’ve had us in the ACC CG at least 2 of the last four years if we went that route, but we were led by idiots.

I like Chadwell.
I like J. Monken
I like Cignetti
I like O Brien

we have lots of good options
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“Monken would have had us in the ACCG 2/4 years of Paul Johnson’s tenure here? Are you serious?!

So you believe that Jeff Monken is a better football coach than Paul Johnson? Wow! No objective data to support that at all.

Believe me. Jeff Monken has in a dead end job stuck at Army for years and years, for a reason. Unless some P5 School hires Todd Stansbury to be their own Athetic Director and makes the mistake of allowing him to pick a head football coach Jeff Monken will retire at Army.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
“Monken would have had us in the ACCG 2/4 years of Paul Johnson’s tenure here? Are you serious?!

So you believe that Jeff Monken is a better football coach than Paul Johnson? Wow! No objective data to support that at all.

Believe me. Jeff Monken has in a dead end job stuck at Army for years and years, for a reason. Unless some P5 School hires Todd Stansbury to be their own Athetic Director and makes the mistake of allowing him to pick a head football coach Jeff Monken will retire at Army.
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No I believe the ACC Coastal was pretty bad through 2022 and our team was a lot more talented than many gave it credit for.

We also had an identity and a focus as a program. We lost that completely.
 
GTCrew4b said:
No I believe the ACC Coastal was pretty bad through 2022 and our team was a lot more talented than many gave it credit for.

We also had an identity and a focus as a program. We lost that completely.
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That is not an apples to apples comparison. The talent Monken would have recruited would not have been the same as Collins. That said, I agree with you that GT would likely have been no worse than 6-6 under Monken from 2018 to present. Would they have won the Coastal over Pitt and UVA? Doubt it. However, the program would not have had the offensive overhaul we’ve seen that has set the program back.

But you also need to realize as it currently stands, GT is the #13/14 in the ACC, only ahead of BC.
 
GTLiebs said:
Chadwell and Clark probably leading in my mind (if the latter is willing). My issue with BOB isn't even mainly that he would be a bad choice, but that it would be a choice made cause of connections and not cause of whether he'd be good or not.
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Fair enough. But generally when an AD makes a head coaching decision it is based on previous connections / a relationship with the coach. I am very confident in what Batt can do. I mean, is there any better place to come from other than Alabama? Same thing occurred when GT hired DRad from LSU.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
Fair enough. But generally when an AD makes a head coaching decision it is based on previous connections / a relationship with the coach. I am very confident in what Batt can do. I mean, is there any better place to come from other than Alabama? Same thing occurred when GT hired DRad from LSU.
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That question rings a lot more strongly if you are only talking about AD. For the first part, did Braine have some connection with Gailey or Radakovich with Johnson? It can happen sure but we just had 4 years of a coaching staff build almost entirely on that idea.
 
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