Attendance affects recruiting

Dirty Jacket said:
Maybe it's time you upgrade out of the "recent alumni" section in the north bleeders?
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Try again. I've been PSL seats since graduation. I actually made an additional company-matched donation last week, unrelated to season tickets. I gave away a pair of tickets to Tech-friendly sidewalk fans for the GSU game. Ive done and do all the stuff I listed earlier, because I'm not a miserable little bitch like some of the folks who only show up to complain.

Before graduating, I spent countless hours of personal time promoting to the school and its traditions and athletics. I made it to CPJ's first twenty away games and made it to plenty before and after that. I can't remember the last home game I missed (wedding, of course).
 
Coach was talking about the commitment to football we recruit against. Don't give me this about Bobby Ross. Love him and a great coach. He said the same things Coach Johnson is saying now, and it takes a lot more money and commitment now.

How many of you in 1987 in this college football climate would have through thick and thin stood by Ross? Some weren't even here. Doesn't mean you don't have a say. Just saying we have a lot more of the same obstacles, others have gotten better, and there is more to overcome.

We're not dead in these waters. This team has a lot to play for. Win this one and get ready for the next. Lets play this out week to week getting better, then see where we are.

Go Jackets! Beat Pitt! Get to 4-2!
 
EffinDane said:
Try again. I've been PSL seats since graduation. I actually made an additional company-matched donation last week, unrelated to season tickets. I gave away a pair of tickets to Tech-friendly sidewalk fans for the GSU game. Ive done and do all the stuff I listed earlier, because I'm not a miserable little bitch like some of the folks who only show up to complain.

Before graduating, I spent countless hours of personal time promoting to the school and its traditions and athletics. I made it to CPJ's first twenty away games and made it to plenty before and after that. I can't remember the last home game I missed (wedding, of course).
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a) I was joking, I honestly don't care where you sit or how many games you've been to. Was a total joke. But for being as fancy as you claim, you sit around a bunch of idiots, it sounds like. But congratulations!
b) You are a way bigger fan than me, and for that, you deserve a cookie.
 
JoeCakeEater said:
This is just a fact. PJ can accept it or GTFO. People are not jazzed up about getting out to see the option game go .500. I get that people who have 30,000 posts on a GT message board make it to the games no matter what, but we cannot fill up the stadium with people like that. Hell, we cannot even get the student population jazzed up for a GT football game...that should be mission #1.

Win and they will come. Following the best finish to a GT season in 25 years with a 3-9 season is not how you put butts in seats.
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Nailed it
 
ScionOfSouthland said:
I can't be the only one that hears this from just about every non-Tech fan. It goes something like this:

"Tech needs to stop/lose/move on/get rid of that option offense if they ever want to compete/win/be successful."

Hard to get sidewalk fans that way.
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Every college football fan I talk to says this.
 
00Burdell said:
Lemme see if I get this: if people would stop missing blocks, we'd win more games. If we'd win more games, attendance would increase. If attendance increases, we get better recruits. If we get better recruits, we'd win more games.

So it sounds to me like the problem starts with missed blocks.

SO FIRE YOUR BUDDY SEWACK THEN!
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Why? Sewak's doing exactly what CPJ is telling him to do.
 
gtfan088 said:
And yet two years ago, we had national talking heads saying how fun our offense was to watch. Even Mike & Mike were in awe of it after our ACCCG loss to FSU.
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Greenberg's an idiot and no one's talking about us this year nor last.
 
gtfan088 said:
And yet two years ago, we had national talking heads saying how fun our offense was to watch. Even Mike & Mike were in awe of it after our ACCCG loss to FSU.
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So 1 year out of 9 people say good things about our offense and we cream our pants?
 
H-town said:
So 1 year out of 9 people say good things about our offense and we cream our pants?
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No. It just means that the people arguing that we need to ditch the offense in order to be successful are idiots. We can, and have, been successful running this offense, whether people like it or not. We've also been mediocre running this offense. Last year we were bad.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Greenberg's an idiot and no one's talking about us this year nor last.
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Doesn't matter if he's an idiot or not. He has a national platform and he talked up our offense on a show that typically dedicates minimal time to college football in general.

Right, no one is talking about us because we're not good. We haven't changed offenses in order to become not good. The same offense that we supposedly need to scrap in order to start winning again is the one we were running when we were, ya know, winning.
 
EffinDane said:
Try again. I've been PSL seats since graduation. I actually made an additional company-matched donation last week, unrelated to season tickets. I gave away a pair of tickets to Tech-friendly sidewalk fans for the GSU game. Ive done and do all the stuff I listed earlier, because I'm not a miserable little bitch like some of the folks who only show up to complain.

Before graduating, I spent countless hours of personal time promoting to the school and its traditions and athletics. I made it to CPJ's first twenty away games and made it to plenty before and after that. I can't remember the last home game I missed (wedding, of course).
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Yes you're right. You're right about all those things you said. But calling them miserable little bitches isn't gonna bring them to the stadium. Everyone in the thread has a point and we're all yelling at each other which isn't gonna fix the problem. The culture at Tech does suck when it comes to football. I honestly see more students walking around with Tech Basketball tshirts if they wear anything sports related. The school isn't doing enough to promote the team to what should seem like the natural target audience.

I guess it comes down to the AA who sent you the creased tickets and I made fun of you for it. But you were right then too. We suck at marketing and sales and it's noticeable. I called them a few weeks ago for the Vandy game to see if they would have discounted seats for a handicapped veteran fan for a certain friend of ours and not only did the ticket person I was talking to gave me a rude no, she also said if he has to bring in a nurse to take care of him, the nurse has to pay full price too. How many people are gonna get in a wheelchair and pretend to be handicapped so they can watch the Tech vandy game for cheap? Are you even gonna sell those seats? No. So little shit like that. They continuously do stupid shit to alienate the few fans they do have and they do nothing to make tech football part of the freshman experience at tech so we have an aging fanbase.

The average age of Tech football fan is probably already over 40, and there's something wrong with that. On top of that, a good portion of our older fans are constantly butthurt about CPJ and the option, which they tolerate when we're winning but when you do something like going 3-9 and losing one of the longest active bowl streaks, it just gives them ammunition. I'd be willing to bet, they'd rather see Tech football run into the toilet just so CPJ can be fired and we hit the reset button on the program. And when CPJ says things like recruits don't come to empty stadiums, he's not helping. I know literally no one, who is mad at someone, that could be convinced with a statement like that from the person they're mad at.

So yeah we have great fans like you, coit, corndog, flunkout, buzzczar, rules with undying support for the program and showing up to every game win or lose. Cyp and I have been trying to continue the tailgates with abysmal attendance but we're there every Saturday. We all try to do our own little part to show our love and allegiance to our colors win or lose. But it's not enough. Something has to change because while I like CPJ and the option, the program is on life support. And no I'm not talking about just the football being played. This game is a show. It's the colosseum and those boys are gladiators. But unfortunately it's an empty colosseum with an apathetic fanbase right now. And it will only get worse if it keeps up until all we'll have will be nostalgia for the past.
 
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I think CPJ has a point...Recruits would love to see a 50K plus energized crowd at Bobby Dodd..

I also do not buy this anti option stuff... Justin Thomas flipped from Bama to play at GT to run the option. The Recruit has to want to come to GT.. from 1960 to 2016 we have only ran the option for 8 years...what was the problem the other 38 seasons? (Minus 1990 no issue that season)

CPJ has taking the team to greater places..Peach and two OB..ACC Title...and a few ACC title games all within eight years and with no Donor Support...look at what FSU..UF...UGA..AUBURN and Clemson gets...

We have fans who want a power house team however we do not have the same Donor support...The new AD has a tuff job...
 
stadium shouldn't have been increased in size. it was a dumb **** move. We're not a school to attract random fans. NC State has nearly 3x the students we do and their stadium seats 57,000. Our alumni don't even stay in GA. Need to drop back down to 45,000 like it was in 90s.
 
Akinji07 said:
Yes you're right. You're right about all those things you said. But calling them miserable little bitches isn't gonna bring them to the stadium. Everyone in the thread has a point and we're all yelling at each other which isn't gonna fix the problem. The culture at Tech does suck when it comes to football. I honestly see more students walking around with Tech Basketball tshirts if they wear anything sports related. The school isn't doing enough to promote the team to what should seem like the natural target audience.

I guess it comes down to the AA who sent you the creased tickets and I made fun of you for it. But you were right then too. We suck at marketing and sales and it's noticeable. I called them a few weeks ago for the Vandy game to see if they would have discounted seats for a handicapped veteran fan for a certain friend of ours and not only did the ticket person I was talking to gave me a rude no, she also said if he has to bring in a nurse to take care of him, the nurse has to pay full price too. How many people are gonna get in a wheelchair and pretend to be handicapped so they can watch the Tech vandy game for cheap? Are you even gonna sell those seats? No. So little öööö like that. They continuously do stupid öööö to alienate the few fans they do have and they do nothing to make tech football part of the freshman experience at tech so we have an aging fanbase.

The average age of Tech football fan is probably already over 40, and there's something wrong with that. On top of that, a good portion of our older fans are constantly butthurt about CPJ and the option, which they tolerate when we're winning but when you do something like going 3-9 and losing one of the longest active bowl streaks, it just gives them ammunition. I'd be willing to bet, they'd rather see Tech football run into the toilet just so CPJ can be fired and we hit the reset button on the program. And when CPJ says things like recruits don't come to empty stadiums, he's not helping. I know literally no one, who is mad at someone, that could be convinced with a statement like that from the person they're mad at.

So yeah we have great fans like you, coit, corndog, flunkout, buzzczar, rules with undying support for the program and showing up to every game win or lose. Cyp and I have been trying to continue the tailgates with abysmal attendance but we're there every Saturday. We all try to do our own little part to show our love and allegiance to our colors win or lose. But it's not enough. Something has to change because while I like CPJ and the option, the program is on life support. And no I'm not talking about just the football being played. This game is a show. It's the colosseum and those boys are gladiators. But unfortunately it's an empty colosseum with an apathetic fanbase right now. And it will only get worse if it keeps up until all we'll have will be nostalgia for the past.
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The good news is that the AD left...we have a new AD...who will have to tackle the bigger issues...a lot of what you see from the fan base is a direct reflection on our prior AD... He never brought in Donor Support or reached out to fans... I truly think he was hired because someone thought he could help out the basketball program...however he did not...and our football support suffered..

Add in a 3-9 season after a huge OB win and top ten finish yea...folks are disheartened... But I think CPJ gives GT a chance at an OB appearance and the team a shot in the ACC year in and year out and that is something no Coach since Bobby Dodd has been able to do. But the new AD has to make a decision on CPJ...so we will see.
 
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As a sidewalk fan for 20 years now (starting watching as a teenager because of Joe Hamilton and company), there's one thing above all I've learned about Georgia Tech's administration in all this time: they don't care. From the President to the AA, sports just isn't important. When people who love GT from childhood get this message, then imagine what effect it has on people who may be casually interested in Tech athletics? I grew up in South Georgia, and there is one simple reason why everyone there is a UGA fan... they know that the team/school they root for would sell their soul to win. And they do both of those things in abundance, so it's easy to root for them.

With Tech, this isn't case, so why would anyone willingly choose to root for them besides 1 in a 1000 people like me? I am a fan of Tech because of what it accomplishes academically, not because what they do on the field. That's just an ancillary bonus. If GT stopped athletics all together, I'd still always love Tech for what it does for the state of Georgia, and all of the scientific community. But again, fans like me are not what you can build a powerful football program around. You need the UGA type passionate fans, no matter how distasteful some of you find them.

I don't believe athletics and academics have to be mutually exclusive, and there is room for both at Tech. But because of the the admin's attitude, I've definitely lost a lot of my enthusiasm for GT athletics in the last decade, although a part of that is just a matter of getting older, too. I just don't think Tech cares to try and put in the effort to be excellent at both, and that's just a shame for everyone, especially those who put their heart into supporting athletics. It's up to the people in charge to forge a new path.
 
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