CFP Format & Fixes Thread

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ee8384

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Ranting about the format and what fixes might be done that will never be done go here.

After yesterdays' bore-fest, my rant/thoughts:

8 is enough.

No team who lost to their conference champ, either in regular season or championship should be in. Bye, bye - PSU, tOSU, Texas, SMU & TN. But, but, but there were three winners there! And now we get an Oregon/tOSU rematch in the Quarterfinals! And as much as I would like to see the Longhorns beat the Dawgs in their third try in the Championship, that would be a mockery - why not make them play best of 5? or 7? Conference champion has to mean something.

If a conference thinks it deserves one of its teams that didn't lose to (or play) their conference champion getting in, then that match up happens in the first round (quarterfinals). Settle your conference first before you move on. So this year, it would be Indiana (yeah, I know) vs. Oregon (B1G semi rep) & Miami vs. Clemson (ACC semi rep) in the quarters. Give us Bama vs. UGAg to see if Georgia is actually the rightful SEC semi rep.

And the 4th "minor conference" semi rep would be the ASU/BSU winner. ND is out. Why? Duck Notre Fame, that's why. ND can join a conference.

If ND has to be in, then ASU/BSU can play in a local playground in Denver to decide who plays the Irish (play-in game).

OK, so maybe 9.
 
9 team regional conferences, everyone plays everyone in their conference every year. Champion determined by conference record with tour breakers being had to head then ranking. Playoffs are conference champions only.

No difference in TV deals by conference. That's what has caused this entire mess.
 
BainbridgeJacket said:
9 team regional conferences, everyone plays everyone in their conference every year. Champion determined by conference record with tour breakers being had to head then ranking. Playoffs are conference champions only.

No difference in TV deals by conference. That's what has caused this entire mess.
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Sounds good to me.
ee8384 said:
This is why CFB needs to have 8 conferences of 12 teams each. Conferences play a round robin schedule every year, with a 12th OOC game against any team from any other conference that doesn't count in the conference standings (showcase cross-regional games). The 8 conference winners make the playoffs. You play everyone in your conference - run the table and you are in. No selection committee.

All other schools in the NCAA (e.g. Univ of Buffalo) go to Div II.

If you want to spice it up, the every 5 years the 2 teams with the worst 5 year performance in their conference are relegated to Div II and the 16 Div II with the best 5 year performance move to Div I.
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Playoffs? More like the Blowoffs! Even Stingtalk moms got to shout.

The NFL model doesn't work without some sort of forced parity like a salary cap.
 
ASU and Boise St right now after watching what transpired yesterday.

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I’d like to see a format that includes conference champions only, no runner-ups. As to the number of conferences included, it could be as simple as the four P-4 conference champions. Notre Dame joins a conference or they’re out. Non-P-4’s are out.

Or perhaps the P-4 conference champions and two at-large non-P-4’s (ND still has to join a conference). Top 2 get a bye based off of the AP poll, not a committee. Of course if this happens the Bama’s, Kiffin’s, and SEC cultists will scream not fair.

12 is too many, 8 is probably enough, 4 would get the job done.
 
Nothing good is going to happen until college football has a central administrator and a single TV contract. Until then it is just a power grab by a few to the detriment of everyone else.

Every year currently follows the same scenario. 2-3 good teams, 5-6 teams who are good but have a fatal flaw. 5-6 teams who should be good but suck (see FSU), and about 15-20 teams who are OK.

Until that problem is addressed the expanded CFP will continue to suck. 2 of the next 4 games will be blowouts as well. (well hopefully 3), as Boise and Arizona St will be beaten worse than a person who reneged on their mob bet.

If they are going to be a business then they need to consolidate and act like one.
 
12 is fine. Blowouts will happen in championship games, in semifinals, in quarterfinals, in conference championships. Stfu. If you care about Tech having a shot at a playoff berth, it’s through expanded playoffs. It won’t be from an inflated preseason ranking that perpetuates through a long season and by explaining losses away as “depth of conference” that’s elevates us to a top 4 position by a panel of biased humans who value what Tech brings to the table
 
The format at 12 isn’t the problem.

Look at the 4 team CFP era. 90% of the games were blowouts in the Semis until last year, combined with the tOSU-Alabama, Michigan-TCU, OU-uga OT games. The MNC games overall have been blowouts as well. The change to 4 teams happened because why again? Outrage of a bias in the BCS formula.

It will eventually go to 16 teams, which is fine. What needs to be changed is removing how the 1-4 seeds are determined. Boise and Arizona State should have been playing yesterday. They are not the #3-#4 seeds. Both of those Quarterfinals games will be absolute blowouts in 1.5 weeks.
 
mookie43 said:
Nothing good is going to happen until college football has a central administrator and a single TV contract. Until then it is just a power grab by a few to the detriment of everyone else.

Every year currently follows the same scenario. 2-3 good teams, 5-6 teams who are good but have a fatal flaw. 5-6 teams who should be good but suck (see FSU), and about 15-20 teams who are OK.

Until that problem is addressed the expanded CFP will continue to suck. 2 of the next 4 games will be blowouts as well. (well hopefully 3), as Boise and Arizona St will be beaten worse than a person who reneged on their mob bet.

If they are going to be a business then they need to consolidate and act like one.
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Probably something that should be put up to a vote.
 
USCJacket said:
The format at 12 isn’t the problem.

Look at the 4 team CFP era. 90% of the games were blowouts in the Semis until last year, combined with the tOSU-Alabama, Michigan-TCU, OU-uga OT games. The MNC games overall have been blowouts as well. The change to 4 teams happened because why again? Outrage of a bias in the BCS formula.

It will eventually go to 16 teams, which is fine. What needs to be changed is removing how the 1-4 seeds are determined. Boise and Arizona State should have been playing yesterday. They are not the #3-#4 seeds. Both of those Quarterfinals games will be absolute blowouts in 1.5 weeks.
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So you want to exchange blowouts yesterday for potential blowouts?
 
ClubSeats said:
I think every team should be in the playoffs. Ditch the regular season. Lose your first game, season is over.
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Nah, first loss, join a pool of one game losers. Second loss, the pool of two game losers. Third loss, three game losers....until 11 games are played.

4-0 pretender teams get exposed quickly.
 
The only way it gets fixed is to go to an NFL model. Win your league or division and you are in the playoffs. No conference championship games Make all schedules somewhat the same as in all league games and no FCS or G5 games so wild card teams can be picked. No committee picks who gets in.
 
4 is enough. Conference champs only = those games matter and are de-facto playoff games. Use old BCS formula to rank and take the top 4 conference champs, no at larges. That ensures OoC games and SoS still matter. Boise has a chance every year, if they beat enough good teams to be higher ranked than all but 3 other conference champs.

Oversized conferences will cure themselves overnight.
 
BravoWhiskey said:
College football is irretrievably broken
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at this point, i'd prefer they go back to bowl games and poles but impossible with the amount of money being generated so the haves will lock out the have-nots when they can pay players an infinite amounts of money.
 
Dirty Jacket said:
12 is fine. Blowouts will happen in championship games, in semifinals, in quarterfinals, in conference championships. Stfu. If you care about Tech having a shot at a playoff berth, it’s through expanded playoffs. It won’t be from an inflated preseason ranking that perpetuates through a long season and by explaining losses away as “depth of conference” that’s elevates us to a top 4 position by a panel of biased humans who value what Tech brings to the table
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This post is where the conversation should start and end. For all those thinking 12 is too many, 4 is enough etc... you need to decide what is more important, GT football or a "better" college football playoff at large consisting of all teams not Tech, despite that it will never be just due to inbuilt bias that will never go away as long as there are committes of humans involved.

And, I hope you were alive and old enough to have fully enjoyed 1990 because that is the last time you'll even sniff the possibility of Georgia Tech glory. Having more teams in a playoff helps equalize the negative bias that we will always be subjected to. If a 12 team playoff is what must be endured to have our shot (and we will) then for God's sake how is there a downside?!?!??. Tell me we didn't have a shot to run the table with the 2014 team and would've likely still not gotten in if we had beaten FSU.

And, even without this, I just don't get all the angst, that the result is college football fans proclaiming OMG we had 2 extra weeks of college football, what an awful thing to have to endure.

Using the blowouts as the metric is lame because we can easily point to many NFL playoffs and super bowls that should've been outright cancelled by that logic.

Minds are decidedly not rite here.
 
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