CFP Format & Fixes Thread

[USCJacket]

So you want to exchange blowouts yesterday for potential blowouts?

If you use the real CFP rankings for the 1-4 byes, the games this weekend would have looked like:

1. Oregon - Bye
2. uga- Bye
3. Texas - Bye
4. PSU - Bye

5. ND vs 12* ACC Champ Clemson
6. tOSU vs 11* B12 Champ ASU
7. Tennessee vs 10. SMU
8. IU vs 9. Boise

The Quarterfinal matchups would be based on seed and not a bracket. So for example:

1. Oregon vs 10. SMU if SMU upset Tennessee, etc.

If you honestly think that Boise and ASU have any shot of staying with 21 of PSU, Texas in 1.5 weeks, you’re only kidding yourself. Those will be blowouts just like yesterday. So why are we seeing those 2 teams get a bye when they clearly aren’t Top 4 teams?

There is no reason why the #1 team Oregon has the hardest path to the MNC by getting tOSU in the Quarterfinals, while PSU (who Oregon beat 2 weeks ango) and Texas get much easier opponents.

At least by giving CFP final ranked 1-4 byes vs automatic byes to conference champions (Boise CFP #9, ASU CFP #12) you have a better chance of having more competitive Quarterfinal games.

 

[KrazieJacket]

If you use the real CFP rankings for the 1-4 byes, the games this weekend would have looked like:

1. Oregon - Bye
2. uga- Bye
3. Texas - Bye
4. PSU - Bye

5. ND vs 12* ACC Champ Clemson
6. tOSU vs 11* B12 Champ ASU
7. Tennessee vs 10. SMU
8. IU vs 9. Boise

The Quarterfinal matchups would be based on seed and not a bracket. So for example:

1. Oregon vs 10. SMU if SMU upset Tennessee, etc.

If you honestly think that Boise and ASU have any shot of staying with 21 of PSU, Texas in 1.5 weeks, you’re only kidding yourself. Those will be blowouts just like yesterday. So why are we seeing those 2 teams get a bye when they clearly aren’t Top 4 teams?

There is no reason why the #1 team Oregon has the hardest path to the MNC by getting tOSU in the Quarterfinals, while PSU (who Oregon beat 2 weeks ango) and Texas get much easier opponents.

At least by giving CFP final ranked 1-4 byes vs automatic byes to conference champions (Boise CFP #9, ASU CFP #12) you have a better chance of having more competitive Quarterfinal games.

You need to understand that if you want to make it right, it’s going to fail. There isn’t a way to make it perfect.

 

[USCJacket]

4 is enough. Conference champs only = those games matter and are de-facto playoff games. Use old BCS formula to rank and take the top 4 conference champs, no at larges. That ensures OoC games and SoS still matter. Boise has a chance every year, if they beat enough good teams to be higher ranked than all but 3 other conference champs.

Oversized conferences will cure themselves overnight.

By this logic, the ACC is left out of the CFP. Using this idea, here are your CFP semifinals games:

1. Oregon vs 4. ASU
2. uga vs 3. Boise

Might as well just go back to the BCS period and have Oregon-uga bypassing 2 blowouts to get to the same game.

This is by far the worst idea. The original 4 team CFP is a much better idea vs this.

 

[USCJacket]

You need to understand that if you want to make it right, it’s going to fail. There isn’t a way to make it perfect.

It already has failed. The current bye system established this year was just that. Combine that with a bracket system before the Quarterfinals vs just reseeding after the 1st round. You can bet this will be fixed this Spring. The narrative is already out there to eliminate the Conference Champion auto bye rule.

 

[KrazieJacket]

It already has failed. The current bye system established this year was just that. Combine that with a bracket system before the Quarterfinals vs just reseeding after the 1st round. You can bet this will be fixed this Spring. The narrative is already out there to eliminate the Conference Champion auto bye rule.

I didn’t want an expanded playoff. Hope now if we have to have it then it just stays the same. It’s better for college football as a whole. Otherwise it will move to “play-in” brackets to face the Big and SEC championship participants. If they want to pull in the most difficult teams to play in their conference so they can make more tv dollars so be it. Conference championships mean something or eliminate them.

 

[Dirty Jacket]

If you use the real CFP rankings for the 1-4 byes, the games this weekend would have looked like:

1. Oregon - Bye
2. uga- Bye
3. Texas - Bye
4. PSU - Bye

5. ND vs 12* ACC Champ Clemson
6. tOSU vs 11* B12 Champ ASU
7. Tennessee vs 10. SMU
8. IU vs 9. Boise

The Quarterfinal matchups would be based on seed and not a bracket. So for example:

1. Oregon vs 10. SMU if SMU upset Tennessee, etc.

If you honestly think that Boise and ASU have any shot of staying with 21 of PSU, Texas in 1.5 weeks, you’re only kidding yourself. Those will be blowouts just like yesterday. So why are we seeing those 2 teams get a bye when they clearly aren’t Top 4 teams?

There is no reason why the #1 team Oregon has the hardest path to the MNC by getting tOSU in the Quarterfinals, while PSU (who Oregon beat 2 weeks ango) and Texas get much easier opponents.

At least by giving CFP final ranked 1-4 byes vs automatic byes to conference champions (Boise CFP #9, ASU CFP #12) you have a better chance of having more competitive Quarterfinal games.

you’re playing a silly game with yourself and I know your mom told you to stop doing that years ago. How would you have reseeded the national championship when TCU got annnhilated? you’ve also conveniently ignored the OSU/UT outcome, which was the worst blow out of the first round, yet you probably had that circled as the most evenly matched game. So like I said earlier to you, No.

 

[USCJacket]

I didn’t want an expanded playoff. Hope now if we have to have it then it just stays the same. It’s better for college football as a whole. Otherwise it will move to “play-in” brackets to face the Big and SEC championship participants. If they want to pull in the most difficult teams to play in their conference so they can make more tv dollars so be it. Conference championships mean something or eliminate them.

How is it better by rewarding teams for playing lesser schedules? Boise getting a bye over Ohio State for example is a participation reward. I’ve said the same thing when an NFL team wins their division with a losing record and hosts a Playoff game vs a team with a much better record. It’s rewarding mediocrity.

Conference Championship games in all reality based on the current format should be eliminated. They only hurt the loser (almost cost SMU and in all likelihood would have if not for the comeback), and provide someone else a “bye” into the CFP. Will they ever go away? No. They are a $$$ grab. To fix this, they need to implement a rule where if each team enters the Championship game with 10 or more wins, both teams are guaranteed to make the CFP. That would keep the games impactful.

But if you look at 2024, you cannot tell me based on results on the field that Boise and ASU deserved a “bye” into the Quarterfinals. The schedules just don’t warrant it. Boise is living off a close loss to Oregon.

We know the CFP will eventually go to 16 (my personal preference as the best number) to 20, then to 24.

What this will do along with the disaster known as the Portal is end up bumping up the start of the CFB season to the first weekend in August. Rumor is, to fix the December Portal exits impacting rosters, discussions are already there about moving the start of the CFB season up 2 weeks into the middle of August vs Labor Day weekend.

 

[KrazieJacket]

How is it better by rewarding teams for playing lesser schedules? Boise getting a bye over Ohio State for example is a participation reward. I’ve said the same thing when an NFL team wins their division with a losing record and hosts a Playoff game vs a team with a much better record. It’s rewarding mediocrity.

Conference Championship games in all reality based on the current format should be eliminated. They only hurt the loser (almost cost SMU and in all likelihood would have if not for the comeback), and provide someone else a “bye” into the CFP. Will they ever go away? No. They are a $$$ grab. To fix this, they need to implement a rule where if each team enters the Championship game with 10 or more wins, both teams are guaranteed to make the CFP. That would keep the games impactful.

But if you look at 2024, you cannot tell me based on results on the field that Boise and ASU deserved a “bye” into the Quarterfinals. The schedules just don’t warrant it. Boise is living off a close loss to Oregon.

We know the CFP will eventually go to 16 (my personal preference as the best number) to 20, then to 24.

What this will do along with the disaster known as the Portal is end up bumping up the start of the CFB season to the first weekend in August. Rumor is, to fix the December Portal exits impacting rosters, discussions are already there about moving the start of the CFB season up 2 weeks into the middle of August vs Labor Day weekend.

I can tell you with certainty that I would rather have this format over any other that isn’t a 6 team playoff where the top two teams get a bye. Screw the BIG and SEC, it’s their greed killing the sport. If Alabama or Mississippi want a better shot at the playoffs they can join the ACC or Big 12.

 

[USCJacket]

you’re playing a silly game with yourself and I know your mom told you to stop doing that years ago. How would you have reseeded the national championship when TCU got annnhilated? you’ve also conveniently ignored the OSU/UT outcome, which was the worst blow out of the first round, yet you probably had that circled as the most evenly matched game. So like I said earlier to you, No.

What are you talking about? What does TCU have to do with anything in this conversation? The previous 4 team CFP has nothing to do with the 2024 CFP 12 team field.

I used SMU beating Tennessee (again based on CFP Final Rankings) which would reseed them in the Quarterfinals as the perfect example. So where in the ever living hell did I ignore Tennessee getting their arse kicked bay tOSU? The games I was projecting were based on the ACTUAL CFP rankings, and not the auto byes Boise, ASU got. Maybe you should actually pay attention.

So we’ll simplify this just for you…..Here goes. Again, using the CFP Final Rankings.

4 byes:

1. Oregon - Bye
2. uga- Bye
3. Texas - Bye
4. PSU - Bye

ND has agreed to never be in the CFP top 4. Clemson winning the ACC would get the #12 seed by default after finishing as the #16 team in the final CFP.

5. ND vs 12* ACC Champ Clemson
6. tOSU vs 11* B12 Champ ASU
7. Tennessee vs 10. SMU
8. IU vs 9. Boise

The Quarterfinal matchups would be based on seed and not a bracket. So for example:

1. Oregon vs 10. SMU (if SMU upset Tennessee, etc).
2. uga vs 9. Boise/IU winner (if ASU, Clemson don’t pull an upset)

How is that hard to understand? The current format has penalized #1 Oregon and rewarded #5 Texas, #6 PSU.

 

[USCJacket]

I can tell you with certainty that I would rather have this format over any other that isn’t a 6 team playoff where the top two teams get a bye. Screw the BIG and SEC, it’s their greed killing the sport. If Alabama or Mississippi want a better shot at the playoffs they can join the ACC or Big 12.

The CFP committee got the 12 teams 100% right. The crying by Alabama, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Finebaum, etc is a bunch of BS. Alabama and Ole Miss had 3 of the worst losses, period. CFP committee told them to STFU and deal with it. Same applies to Miami. Don’t blow a huge lead against Syracuse, and the game would have likely been Miami @ PSU yesterday.

All I’m saying is, Boise #9 and ASU #12 do not deserve the #3, #4 seeds. The way the Top 4 are determined needs to be modified. Winning the conference championship should only be 1 positive data point on the resume. There needs to be additional qualifiers finalizing the 1-4 seeding, not just handing teams a “bye” for winning a conference championship game.

 

[Flywheel]

By this logic, the ACC is left out of the CFP. Using this idea, here are your CFP semifinals games:

1. Oregon vs 4. ASU
2. uga vs 3. Boise

Might as well just go back to the BCS period and have Oregon-uga bypassing 2 blowouts to get to the same game.

This is by far the worst idea. The original 4 team CFP is a much better idea vs this.

Then the ACC needs to win more OoC games. The original CFP was, like the current iteration, an abomination with a selection committee with direct financial interest in who plays seeding the teams. Computer ranking + conf champs only is the way to go. You can do 8 conf champs and the nation will reorganize into ~9 power conferences, or you can do 4 conf champs and it'll go back to ~5, with someone on the fringe left out (justified by computers) every year.

 

[Dirty Jacket]

What are you talking about? What does TCU have to do with anything in this conversation? The previous 4 team CFP has nothing to do with the 2024 CFP 12 team field.

I used SMU beating Tennessee (again based on CFP Final Rankings) which would reseed them in the Quarterfinals as the perfect example. So where in the ever living hell did I ignore Tennessee getting their arse kicked bay tOSU? The games I was projecting were based on the ACTUAL CFP rankings, and not the auto byes Boise, ASU got. Maybe you should actually pay attention.

So we’ll simplify this just for you…..Here goes. Again, using the CFP Final Rankings.

4 byes:

1. Oregon - Bye
2. uga- Bye
3. Texas - Bye
4. PSU - Bye

ND has agreed to never be in the CFP top 4. Clemson winning the ACC would get the #12 seed by default after finishing as the #16 team in the final CFP.

5. ND vs 12* ACC Champ Clemson
6. tOSU vs 11* B12 Champ ASU
7. Tennessee vs 10. SMU
8. IU vs 9. Boise

The Quarterfinal matchups would be based on seed and not a bracket. So for example:

1. Oregon vs 10. SMU (if SMU upset Tennessee, etc).
2. uga vs 9. Boise/IU winner (if ASU, Clemson don’t pull an upset)

How is that hard to understand? The current format has penalized #1 Oregon and rewarded #5 Texas, #6 PSU.

I’m talking about this hand wringing to try to get matchups perfect. Who cares. It will never be perfect. Teams will always get blown out. You didn’t think UT would get its ish packed in last night worse than SMU and Indiana but they did. What’s the point of all the words you’re typing.

 

[gtgtgt1]

Personally I don't think that anyone should be deserving of a BYE.

 

[Skydog]

8 teams would make too much sense. ACC SEC B10 B12 champs get top 4 seeds. other 4 picked how ever you want. committee. ranking. whatever.

 

[USCJacket]

I’m talking about this hand wringing to try to get matchups perfect. Who cares. It will never be perfect. Teams will always get blown out. You didn’t think UT would get its ish packed in last night worse than SMU and Indiana but they did. What’s the point of all the words you’re typing.

Who’s arguing that there won’t be blowouts? No one. How the teams are seeded is what’s flawed in this “new” 12 team format. The teams finishing #9, #12 should not be seeded #3-4. This was an oversight by the fake genius Sankey and his minion Petitti. You can bet they will do whatever they can to alter how teams are seeded by the 2025 season.

As far as the last game yesterday is concerned, I did predict tOSU to roll Tennessee. I was wrong about Clemson, but at least they gave themselves a chance in the 4th quarter.

Bowls, CFP, and other Disappointing Games Thread

I’m tired of rooting for other teams to take care of our business first us.

stingtalk.com

I may be the only one who thinks this, but Clemson can beat Texas. I mean, who the hell has Texas beaten? 7-5 Michigan, 8-4 TAMU, 8-5 UF…..Wow…..What a schedule. As a USC fan, I know how bad Sark is as a big game coach. He’s proven that twice again this year (uga).

ND can without question beat uga NY night. But ND has to play better on O inside the 30. The ND D is damn good. ND should have won by 28+ last night had the O just finished lengthy drives. FG’s won’t win going forward.

Tennessee’s anemic offense will struggle tonight at tOSU. I have a feeling all the negative talk tOSU has been hearing since losing to Michigan, combined with this false narrative on how good Tennessee is, along with the trash talk by Tennessee will really show tonight. I think tOSU rolls.

If you want to continue this thought that the seeding will be a bias against the ACC, B12 by eliminating the Conference Champions getting an automatic bye as a #3-4 seed that’s fine. But the results on the field and OOC against the other P2 show why this year ASU and Boise did not deserve a #3-4 seed. The likely National Champion will come from the winner of the Rose Bowl (#8 tOSU-#1 Oregon) on New Year’s Day.

 

[Dirty Jacket]

Who’s arguing that there won’t be blowouts? No one. How the teams are seeded is what’s flawed in this “new” 12 team format. The teams finishing #9, #12 should not be seeded #3-4. This was an oversight by the fake genius Sankey and his minion Petitti. You can bet they will do whatever they can to alter how teams are seeded by the 2025 season.

As far as the last game yesterday is concerned, I did predict tOSU to roll Tennessee. I was wrong about Clemson, but at least they gave themselves a chance in the 4th quarter.

Bowls, CFP, and other Disappointing Games Thread

I’m tired of rooting for other teams to take care of our business first us.

stingtalk.com

If you want to continue this thought that the seeding will be a bias against the ACC, B12 by eliminating the Conference Champions getting an automatic bye as a #3-4 seed that’s fine. But the results on the field and OOC against the other P2 show why this year ASU and Boise did not deserve a #3-4 seed. The likely National Champion will come from the winner of the Rose Bowl (#8 tOSU-#1 Oregon) on New Year’s Day.

“GPT, I am an online forum poster with great ideas, but no one ever reads my posts because they are long form novels. Please take the following post and make it more succinct, less than 15 words. Please also make a comment about the last posters mom. ”

 

[GT flunkout]

12 teams was always too many. But, more $$$, yay

Conference championship games are the first round.

The only reason we have to eff around with *at large* teams at all is because one team refuses to join a conference.

 

[USCJacket]

“GPT, I am an online forum poster with great ideas, but no one ever reads my posts because they are long form novels. Please take the following post and make it more succinct, less than 15 words. Please also make a comment about the last posters mom. ”

Read the title of the thread for once. That would make too much sense though.

Should have known all these responses with no substance are coming from a Braves fan. Logic and common sense went out the window a long time ago. Enough said.

 

[Dirty Jacket]

Read the title of the thread for once. That would make too much sense though.

Should have known all these responses with no substance are coming from a Braves fan. Logic and common sense went out the window a long time ago. Enough said.

SICK BURN!!! I see you took me up on using a GPT to help you. Bravo kid

 

[GTLiebs]

How is it better by rewarding teams for playing lesser schedules? Boise getting a bye over Ohio State for example is a participation reward. I’ve said the same thing when an NFL team wins their division with a losing record and hosts a Playoff game vs a team with a much better record. It’s rewarding mediocrity.

Conference Championship games in all reality based on the current format should be eliminated. They only hurt the loser (almost cost SMU and in all likelihood would have if not for the comeback), and provide someone else a “bye” into the CFP. Will they ever go away? No. They are a $$$ grab. To fix this, they need to implement a rule where if each team enters the Championship game with 10 or more wins, both teams are guaranteed to make the CFP. That would keep the games impactful.

But if you look at 2024, you cannot tell me based on results on the field that Boise and ASU deserved a “bye” into the Quarterfinals. The schedules just don’t warrant it. Boise is living off a close loss to Oregon.

We know the CFP will eventually go to 16 (my personal preference as the best number) to 20, then to 24.

What this will do along with the disaster known as the Portal is end up bumping up the start of the CFB season to the first weekend in August. Rumor is, to fix the December Portal exits impacting rosters, discussions are already there about moving the start of the CFB season up 2 weeks into the middle of August vs Labor Day weekend.

As opposed to punishing teams for simply existing in conferences deemed lesser? I get what you mean about deserving and all, but the problem is that if the byes are completely controlled by subjective ranking, it still won't in reality be about who deserves to have it. At that point, the only way a team like GT could achieve a bye is to go undefeated and hope there aren't any 1 (or even 2) loss SEC/Big 10 teams to jump us with their more "deserving" conference slate.

I'll definitely agree with you that 16 (or 8 would be my preference) that results no bye BS at all is better.