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Calvin Johnson is a stud. period. However, his stats are not impressive, whatsoever. GT and Gailey do not put an explosive offense on the field and this is hurting CJ's numbers. He came to GT because he wanted an engineering degree which I now hear he is not getting..management, I think. From a pro career standpoint, and looking back at his past two years here, GT has not been good for CJ. GT is certainly not making him look like a first round NFL player or Heisman player. Do you think he ever regrets coming to GT strictly from a NFL perspective? Never before have we had such a stud on the flats whose talents have been, excuse this FOCers, wasted and I blame that on Gailey. Maybe next year will be different, but there is certainly nothing in particular you can point to say why it will be different.
 
Is that because Gailey can't hit him in stride on those long sideline routes or because he throws at his feet on the button-hook ones?
 
I think this is the GT football version of the old Tarheel joke that asked “Who is the only man that can keep Michael Jordan under 20 a game?" Answer: Dean Smith.

Our system doesn’t fit with his enormous talent, we should get him the ball more but that just isn’t going to happen with CCG’s ball possession offense and Reggie at QB, however Calvin can always excel at a combine and his stock would be just as high as those wideouts that put up numbers, so I’m not worried about his NFL chances, all the scouts know who he is and what he is capable of doing.

As far as the heisman is concerned, he would probably not get it even if he was playing in the Texas Tech offense, because only receivers that return punts or kicks successfully get serious consideration and CJ is too talented to risk an injury by playing in that role.

PS: Watch the evolution of the OC position in the offseason, most people I talked to here said it was priority #1, and next year with a bigger returning line we might be able to pass block better and CJ might have a career year (the key word is MIGHT)
 
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Is that because Gailey can't hit him in stride on those long sideline routes or because he throws at his feet on the button-hook ones?

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Loved the sarcasm...you're right Reggie probably has more to do with it.
 
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GT has not been good for CJ

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You wouldn't know that by watching the games. Every time we're on TV (especially nationally) the commentators gush over his skills & ability.

What are better stats going to do for him on NFL draft day? You can't move up too much further than top 5.

If you hate Gailey find another angle. This ain't the one.
 
GT has not been good for CJ's talents. No other way to debate that. Yes, I do blame Gailey, somewhat...for not getting him the ball more, recruiting or adapting qb play, etc. One only has to look at our biggest game of the year with Ugag... 14 yards, one pass play. I think the announcers had a little egg on their face, too. After watching the replay, never I have I seen so much hype about a player during a game. They circled him everytime he was on the field and said "watch out for CJ"...and alluded that they were about to see a human highlight film. And everytime..nothing. I think at one point they said why are they not throwing him the ball? Playcalling to get him the ball has nothing to do with Ball. Who else can you blame?
 
Excellent point Contact. Also this is Georgia Tech not Calvin Johnson Tech. We are playing to win games not pad stats.
 
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Is that because Gailey can't hit him in stride on those long sideline routes or because he throws at his feet on the button-hook ones?

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugher.gif I'd be conservative too with RB lobbing the ball into double coverage.
 
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GT has not been good for CJ's talents. No other way to debate that. Yes, I do blame Gailey, somewhat...for not getting him the ball more, recruiting or adapting qb play, etc. One only has to look at our biggest game of the year with Ugag... 14 yards, one pass play. I think the announcers had a little egg on their face, too.

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I'm sorry - you're flat out wrong on this one.

Calvin's ACC stats:
T1 - Rec TDs
T2 - Rec per game
13 - All pupose yards (and he only recieves, no PR, no KOR)
2 - Rec yards per game

Chan has done nothing to diminish Calvin's pass catching skills (if anything, with Reggie throwing to him it's proven he can consistently make the difficult catch). NFL scouts will also be looking at what CJ does without the ball - he doesn't take plays off (like a Randy Moss). He's a superb downfield blocker and also runs his routes well even if he knows the ball isn't going his way.

Speaking of routes, Chan has put him in position to run a variety of routes from different positions (slot, wideout, etc) - it's not just downfield go routes and outjump the defender even though those are the exciting plays that folks remember. He gets plenty of screens, curls, outs.

Edit: oh, and on the "egg on their face" comment. He was underutilized in the UGAg but there are many more games (like Miami, hmmm short memory some of us have) where he displays the skills that the commentators are gushing about.
 
Look, CJ doesn't have the stats he might if he were in a different system or had a different QB. No debating that. But the rest of your post is silly. He's a high draft pick when he leaves and everyone in the country knows what a talent he is.

One othere question. How do you know what play is called? Just because Reggie throws the ball to a given receiver doesn't mean he's the primary target. Hopefully he has the freedom to pick the open man, not just throw it where he was told.
 
Yes, CJ's 89 yards is the highest any receiver got against UM this season. He's played against first-team all-american Jimmy Williams, first-team all-american Tye Hill and first-team all-american Greg Blue. Georgia Tech matched up vs. Auburn and Georgia where many ACC teams scheduled Temple and Western Kentucky. Not to mention that UConn could have been a career day if not for Reggie's illness. Despite all this, he's the top 2 in the ACC in every category and was only one of two unanimous selections for first-team all-ACC. Pretty good for having stats that were not impressive, whatsoever.
 
Good point. We should blame Reggie for making himself the starter and for not recruiting a better quarterback.
 
GeeTee

GeeTee.... I've gone on record already saying that Calvin is being wasted (and naturally everyone disagreed). His stats right now are great, but I like to imagine just how much more numbers he could be getting, and how much MORE recognition he could get Tech by being THE best reciever in the nation.

He's without a doubt the greatest WR talent to ever pass through Georgia Tech, and we don't even have a system or quarterback capable of making the most out of him. We will not see another CJ on the flats, or probably anywhere else for that matter. It's almost like a curse or something, having such a threat like him on the field, but having our hands tied to use him. A lot of it has to do with Reggie... Our opponents do not fear Reggie's accuracy, so they can double up on the one thing they do fear: Calvin's catching ability. Reggie could make any reciever of ours more of a threat by being more accurate and making teams respect the throws to anyone on the field, easing up coverage on CJ.
 
I have a real problem with this post.

Every single announcer has said that CJ is the #1 receiver in the country. Was he the #1 receiver in the country coming into Tech? He wasn't even the #1 in recruiting ranks. Even if he had been there is so much more to it than just raw talent coming in. #1 h.s. receivers don't necessarily make #1 college receivers who don't necessarily make #1 draft picks in the NFL. See Derrick Steagall, Donnie Davis, a slew of them at UGA, etc.

Stars have to align just right for any individual to win the Heisman trophy. The best you can ask for is to comfortably move on to an NFL career, and otherwise maybe you'll get lucky and hit a hot QB, etc. This post is total BS.

CJ is looking at a top 3 draft pick in the NFL. His parents were smart enough to send him to Tech where he could receive a real degree to fall back on, if he was in fact just one of thousands that never make it.

Coach Gailey and the rest have helped make CJ into one of the top five national players! What the heck more can you ask for?

In a perfect world, we'd have John Elway throwing him passes and John Davis still blocking for him. But good grief already, this isn't a perfect world. To suggest that we have harmed CJ in any way is absolutely ludicrous.
 
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Yes, CJ's 89 yards is the highest any receiver got against UM this season. He's played against first-team all-american Jimmy Williams, first-team all-american Tye Hill and first-team all-american Greg Blue. Georgia Tech matched up vs. Auburn and Georgia where many ACC teams scheduled Temple and Western Kentucky. Not to mention that UConn could have been a career day if not for Reggie's illness. Despite all this, he's the top 2 in the ACC in every category and was only one of two unanimous selections for first-team all-ACC. Pretty good for having stats that were not impressive, whatsoever.

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Great points, FLjacket - everything I mentioned doesn't even include the fact that the #1 priority of opposing defensive coordinators is to game plan against Calvin - putting their best player on him and often double-teaming him (sometimes triple teaming).
 
1) Firstly, his stats are impressive.
- He is essentially tied for the ACC lead in rec. yds/game with 79.0 (leader is 79.2)
- He is essentially tied for the ACC lead in total receiving yardage (2 yds. behind leader)

2) He would have well over 1,000 yds. if he did not have to make amazing diving catches 50% of the time...or watch the ball go sailing over his head as a intentional throw out of bounds.

The staff makes TONS of attempts to get Calvin the ball.
 
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He's without a doubt the greatest WR talent to ever pass through Georgia Tech,

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He MAY be the greatest WR talent we've ever had, but there's a LOT to doubt in that statement....Jimmy Robinson, Drew Hill, and Kelly Campbell had some major talent as well.

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A lot of it has to do with Reggie.

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Unfortunately Reggie is limited in what he can do, but that doesn't mean that Calvin's talent is "wasted" at Tech.
 
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There's a huge amount of territory between being fully utilized and wasted. That's were most everyone disagrees with you. In my opinion, the biggest issue CJ has is we haven't developed any reliable secondary threats. Defenses know he's the guy and roll their secondary over to help on him. If we had someone else step up, like Campbell was White's wingman, or Watkins when Campbell was the star, he would be much more effective.

To your other point, I'd agree CJ has the best physical tools of any receiver I've ever seen at Tech. But when he shows what he can do in the league and when he surpasses Drew Hill, he'll be the best ever from Tech. Too many fans overlook the career Drew had in the pros. He had some remarkable years and has had arguably the best NFL career of any former Jacket.
 
Some National Statistics...

CJ: individual numbers:
Total Yards Receiving- 869 (#43)
Total Receptions- 52 (#64)
Touchdowns- 6 (#55)

GT offensive numbers:
Passing offense- 189.5/game (#89)
Rushing offense- 156.2 (#48)
Total offense- 345.7 (#81)
Scoring offense- 19.3 (#98)
Passing efficiency- 97.5/season (#108)

CJ's individual statistics are average or slightly above for the most part, total yards probably a bit above average. I think the overall GT offensive numbers lend understanding as to why CJ's overall numbers are where they are, compared to where some might think they should be based upon his individual talent.
 
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Some National Statistics...

CJ: individual numbers:
Total Yards Receiving- 869 (#43)
Total Receptions- 52 (#64)
Touchdowns- 6 (#55)

GT offensive numbers:
Passing offense- 189.5/game (#89)
Rushing offense- 156.2 (#48)
Total offense- 345.7 (#81)
Scoring offense- 19.3 (#98)
Passing efficiency- 97.5/season (#108)

CJ's individual statistics are average or slightly above for the most part, total yards probably a bit above average. I think the overall GT offensive numbers lend understanding as to why CJ's overall numbers are where they are, compared to where some might think they should be based upon his individual talent.

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If we played in the WAC, Mtn West, Pac 10 or any other conference where teams don't play defense I'm sure CJs stats would be bloated, too (along with Reggie and the rest of the offense).

National stats are almost meaningless because strength of schedule isn't factored in. If you want to prove me wrong, then give me an argument why each of those 42 guys ranked ahead of Calvin are better (by line item).

At least with the ACC stats that I provided the teams have comparable SOS.
 
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