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If you want to prove me wrong, then give me an argument why each of those 42 guys ranked ahead of Calvin are better (by line item).

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I'm not out to prove you right or wrong. I never said anything about the players ranked ahead of CJ being better by ability or by statistics. The point of my post was to show that CJ plays on an offensive unit that ranks #81, #89, #98 and #108 in various passing categories.

GT has faced seven opponents ranked in the top 30 defensively and the other four rank between 45-90. Tough competition no doubt, but still not an excuse to be used to explain such poor offensive output.
 
Hammer, meet head. The experts know.

The #1 receiving stats in the ACC are average? Is the ACC that devoid of talented offensive players? Is this a serious post?

This is like comparing high school players playing in different classifications in different states. The competiton must be taken into account.

My opinion if anyone cares.
#1. Calvin has exceeded high expectations. The only comparable college receivers I can think of were Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald, and both of them were unanimous five star/all-american players IIRC. Calvin was only four star on one of the two sites IIRC, and a top 10 receiver, but not #1.

#2. Calvin has very little to prove at this point. As has been mentioned he will be top 5ish if he stays healthy. Forcing the ball to him when the play isn't there is not in his best interest or GTs. It isn't unlike a DT with bad stats because he is constantly double teamed. Scouts look at that. Pros would love to get any player (particularly a WR) who has to be double teamed even if he gets few/no catches because they will whip a D 10 on 9.

#3. As ironic as this may be, while he would easily have better numbers if he had a David Greene/Philip Rivers throwing to him, you have to think he would have far fewer 'sportscenter' catches and less 'hype'. His most awesome catches have been balls thrown three to four feet behind him where he stops on a dime and flings one arm back.
 
My thoughts on Calvin do not include criticism of Coach Gailey or even Reggie Ball. I think He is the most physically talented wide receiver we have had at Tech and I believe he has had two very good seasons. He performs at a high level with humility and is a good representative of Tech on and off the field.

As we think about what will be his third and perhaps final year I do not think it is being negative to think of ways to make him even more productive. I would like to see:

1. Less reliance on his jump and catch ability and work on his running routes and Reggie leading him. I want to see us hit CJ in stride more often next season. Throw higher to CJ than other WR's - yes. But, lobbing to him on the sidelines for "jump balls" -no.

2. I would like for Calvin to try and accelerate at the end of the route and keep his feet to make the catch. I thought there were a few throws where he left his feet, made the catch, and was down at the landing that he could have stayed up and turned a nice 20 yard play into a great "take it to the house" play. His size, speed, hands, and toughness are top notch; his yards after the catch have not been as remarkable his first two years.

3. I think we are all "too scared" of Calvin getting hurt. The idea that if a great talent comes to Tech he can forget a Heisman because we can't afford to let him run reverses or return a kick may speak volumes about our difficulty in signing the best players. Calvin is kind of a low key guy and I have no idea what his thoughts on being used more would be, but I would turn him loose to do whatever he is comfortable doing in the coming season.
 
I think the point of the post is that CJ is the biggest playmaker on the team...and getting the ball to your biggest playmaker is how your going to win games...not by using him a decoy. He has the talent to get open and catch it also in coverage. CJ knows hes the best and can win games...and he wants to get the ball, but they just arent going to him enough...sure he has good stats now bla bla bla, but the sky is the limit for him, let him be great here - not wait until he is the NFL to be the star!!!!! We love to talk about ugag here...so lets - in the Herchel Walker days, all they did was give him the ball almost constantly, and they won the NC and he won the Heisman. I think CJ is getting robbed and so is Tech...I just hope he doesnt regret what could have been for him during his college days here at Tech.
 
CJ is getting robbed. Get real. He needs to improve on some things himself. Running better routes. Going hard on every play and not assuming the ball won't get to him. I'm sure he's very happy with his situation right now. I'm also sure he'd be even happier if he would have caught the pass in the end zone against ncst. Saying he's getting robbed is laughable.
 
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As far as the heisman is concerned, he would probably not get it even if he was playing in the Texas Tech offense, because only receivers that return punts or kicks successfully get serious consideration ...

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Larry Fitzgerald won the Walter Camp award and finished 2nd in the Heisman voting as a sophomore and he didn't return punts or kicks.

CJ would not have been able to surpass Bush or Leinart this year, but if he had stats like Fitzgerald's, he would be a strong contender for the Heisman and other major awards.
 
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There's a huge amount of territory between being fully utilized and wasted. That's were most everyone disagrees with you. In my opinion, the biggest issue CJ has is we haven't developed any reliable secondary threats. Defenses know he's the guy and roll their secondary over to help on him. If we had someone else step up, like Campbell was White's wingman, or Watkins when Campbell was the star, he would be much more effective.

To your other point, I'd agree CJ has the best physical tools of any receiver I've ever seen at Tech. But when he shows what he can do in the league and when he surpasses Drew Hill, he'll be the best ever from Tech. Too many fans overlook the career Drew had in the pros. He had some remarkable years and has had arguably the best NFL career of any former Jacket.

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Funny...I was about to responed as ContactBuzz did when I read his post. There is a big difference between the big-time defensive football in the ACC and SEC...and much of the rest of the country...including Pac10, Big12, WAC, MWC, etc. where they are pass happy.

I am just fine with comparing his stats against those he competes with.
 
JacketPower...he must have broken the ACC record for decoys then since he was .2 yds. off the league lead for yds/game and 2 yds. off the league lead for total receiving yardage.

Man...imagine if he wasn't a decoy.
 
so, Calvin performed at peak levels under Gailey's regime? Some of yous guys are a trip bc you'll defend anything. The best player GT may ever have and he's made to look like an above average star in some games and a walk on in others like the ugag game. I guess you'll next defend 6-5/7-4 seasons with one of the most talented GT teams in years. Sick of medicroe seasons and a GT stud that will shine like no other in the NFL, but not on the flats for some reason.. oh yea, its Ball's fault,
 
Who said he performed at peak performance? Maybe I missed the post...please point it out to me.
 
GeeTee...please go pick another team to follow.

Most everyone else has gotten over "it" and moved on. This latest bowl screwing really showed how we need to stick together.
 
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so, Calvin performed at peak levels under Gailey's regime? Some of yous guys are a trip bc you'll defend anything. The best player GT may ever have and he's made to look like an above average star in some games and a walk on in others like the ugag game. I guess you'll next defend 6-5/7-4 seasons with one of the most talented GT teams in years. Sick of medicroe seasons and a GT stud that will shine like no other in the NFL, but not on the flats for some reason.. oh yea, its Ball's fault,

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I will only defend when it's necessary.

Calvin's full potential probably hasn't been met - but when you started the thread, you said his ability was being "wasted". On a meter where one end of the spectrum is "talent wasted" and the other end is "full potential met", Calvin's needle would be certainly be tilted toward the "full potential met". While he could be better utilized (UGAg game is 1 example and is probably the reason for this thread - another case of GT fan inferiority complex) his talent FAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR from being wasted.
 
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Larry Fitzgerald won the Walter Camp award and finished 2nd in the Heisman voting as a sophomore and he didn't return punts or kicks.

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Let's look at the history of the heisman shall we, only 2 WRs have won it, Tim Brown in 87 and Desmond Howard in 91. They might get "serious" consideration but looks to me that wideouts can have all the stats in the world but if they don't show versatility as return guys or maybe even 2 way guys they're only token candidates.

Heisman winners list
 
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oh yea, its Ball's fault,

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Don't forget the O-line. Gailey's a good coach bringing the best out of what he's given. Reggie was the best choice he had. You won't see Tebow and Mustain giving ole Tech a visit.
You can argue that with a better passer (i.e. Bennett) than Johnson would be making better grabs,more yardage, better stats BUT how many times more would he have been sacked?
 
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GeeTee...please go pick another team to follow.

Most everyone else has gotten over "it" and moved on. This latest bowl screwing really showed how we need to stick together.

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They might get "serious" consideration but looks to me that wideouts can have all the stats in the world but if they don't show versatility as return guys or maybe even 2 way guys they're only token candidates.


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I don't agree with characterizing Larry Fitzgerald as a token candidate. He came in 2nd in a close vote, and was the only serious contender besides Jason White. He was only a sophomore, and he could have easily won it had he played for a better team.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/football/ncaa/12/13/white.heisman.ap/
 
I agree, and just because there have not been many previous WR winners, why should we right off CJ - obviously he has the talent, but just not the supporting cast to help him get there...and certainly not CCG.
 
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GeeTee...please go pick another team to follow.


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the guy wants better football for GT and CJ, and you say get lost??!! amazing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/pat.gif
 
I'll say, if any strictly WR would ever win it, it would be one like CJ, but he would have to have a few gamebreaker plays to do it, and put up a couple more hundred yards and/or 5-10 more TDs.

The heisman is HEAVILY slanted towards QBs amd RBs, and it takes an incredibly WR like CJ just to get a look from the voters.

That said, lets bust ass next year and bring that big 'ole brass paperweight home.
 
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I'll say, if any strictly WR would ever win it, it would be one like CJ, but he would have to have a few gamebreaker plays to do it, and put up a couple more hundred yards and/or 5-10 more TDs.

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Exactly!!
 
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