Coaching Hire Grades - CBS

Tom Herman to FAU? I like the Key hire, but did Battman at least kick the tires on CTH?
 
Buzzilla said:
2018 Ranking - Hiring Grade - Result
1. Scott Frost, Nebraska - A+ , Fired (16-31)
2. Dan Mullen, Florida - A , Fired (34-15)
3. Chip Kelly, UCLA - A , Mixed but still there (27-28)
4. Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M - A- , Unfire-able. Civil Unrest (29-21)
5. Willie Taggart, Florida State - A- , Fired (9-12)
6. Joe Moorhead, Mississippi State - B+ , Fired (14-12)
7. Chad Morris, Arkansas - B+ , Fired (4-18)
8. Kevin Sumlin, Arizona - B , Fired (9-20)
9. Jeremy Pruitt, Tennessee - B , Fired (16-19)
10. Steve Campbell, South Alabama - B , Fired (9-26)
11. Billy Napier, Louisiana - B- , PROMOTED (40-12)
12. Sonny Dykes, SMU - B- , PROMOTED (30-18)
13. Mario Cristobal, Oregon - B- , PROMOTED (35-13)
14. Jonathan Smith, Oregon State - C+ , Mixed but still there. (25-31)
15. Matt Luke, Ole Miss - C , Fired (15-21)
16. Josh Heupel, UCF - C , PROMOTED (28-8)
17. Mike Bloomgren, Rice - C , Bad but still there (16-38)
18. Sean Lewis, Kent State - C , Mixed but still there (24-31)
19. Chad Lunsford, Georgia Southern - C- , Fired (28-21)
20. Dana Dimel, UTEP - D , Bad but still there (17-40)
21. Herm Edwards, Arizona State - D- , Fired (26-20)

Some interesting notes from this:
1. Only 2 of the the top 10 rated hires are still coaching where they were hired. Chip Kelly and Jimbo.
2. 4 of these 21 coaches found "promotions". All had a hiring grade of B- or worse.
3. Only 6 of these 21 are still there. Of these 6 only 1 has a winning record- Jimbo.
4. 11 of the 21 were fired. 4 were promoted. 5 are still there with losing records. 1 is still there with a winning record.
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the guys who were interims and promoted to the top spot did not fare well in that list. hope that is not a harbinger.
 
1982Jacket said:
How about the Vols hiring Heupel?
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I agree with your estimation on the Ruhle hire. They are basing that off, and understandably so, what he did at Baylor and Temple, but it may not translate to Nebraska and the Big 14.
But I told Vols people I know that Heupel is going to win them over soon. Having watched that offense he ran at UCF, and how they can run tempo without changing personnel and go to different formations and plays, was impressive.
even if it was against a Clown coached defense.
 
swampsting said:
I agree with your estimation on the Ruhle hire. They are basing that off, and understandably so, what he did at Baylor and Temple, but it may not translate to Nebraska and the Big 14.
But I told Vols people I know that Heupel is going to win them over soon. Having watched that offense he ran at UCF, and how they can run tempo without changing personnel and go to different formations and plays, was impressive.
even if it was against a Clown coached defense.
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His offense is even better when the refs start hustling for them to set the ball.
 
BuzzinWreck78 said:
Chadwell A-
Sanders A-
Rhule A
Freeze A
Fickle A+
herman B
Key B-
Satterfield C+
golesh D
beck F
Dillingham C+
Dilfer C-
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Key led the Yellow Jackets to a 4-4 record following Collins' dismissal. He's a Georgia Tech alum who knows the challenges that the program faces. With that said, he's a first-time head coach at a Power Five school that has to fight recruiting battles with all of the top-tier teams in the country. It might take some time. Grade: B-
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Gotta love Kansas giving a guy with an 8-16 record first two years a 7-year extension. Did Stansbury become their AD?
 
Beej1953 said:
Gotta love Kansas giving a guy with an 8-16 record first two years a 7-year extension. Did Stansbury become their AD?
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Are....are you serious? Do you really think that's a bad move? In 2 years he won 8 games at Kansas. KANSAS. K-A-N-S-A-S.

After totaling 8 wins in the previous 5 seasons Leipold did it in 2 and is now taking Kansas to a bowl game. The last time they went to a bowl game a person with the last name Bush was occupying the White House. Yeah, I bet they love the fact that they are giving him an extension
 
IMO, seven years is a bit much. 4 or 5 - OK. But 7? If he replicates last season't success, someone else is eventually going to snag him anyway. If he doesn't . . . you're paying him through 2030. But, hey, at least it's not Evergreen.

Kansas should be a better football program. But rock-chalk-jayhawk sucks all of the oxygen out of the place.
 
People forget how high Kansas was flying in 2007. Being a fan of that program and watching the intervening decade must have been soul obliterating.
 
Ramblin' Dan said:
Tom Herman to FAU? I like the Key hire, but did Battman at least kick the tires on CTH?
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Its over. We can revisit it in 4 years.

IMO, it's a terrific hire for FAU. They have become a rehab "prove-it" zone for damaged coaches. Kiffin did and he got paid. Taggert didn't and I don't think he'll be a head coach in FBS again. He has connections to Prime and Prime didn't hire him. Even USF - where he actually had a losing recvord - didn't want him back. Taggert has a career losing record - even before FAU.

Herman is MUCH closer to Kiffin. Probably a better coach than Kiffin.

Herman has coached six years and had a winning record every year. He got fired after going 7-3 at Texas! And bowl wins every year. We would give him a seven year extension for that. Texas fired him because he wouldn't kiss the right boosters' asses. Not a probem at FAU. And is Texas better now that they fired him? No. Objectively . . . they are worse.

Make NO mistake. Tom Herman knows how to coach college football. He might only stay there three years, but odds are strong they will win a lot of games in those three years.
 
I'll leave this here as another reminder. We can check back in 3 to 4 years and see how it all worked out.

Grading new FBS college football coaches: Matt Rhule gets an A, Trent Dilfer is a D+ (yahoo.com)

C+
Brent Key, Georgia Tech
Key earned the job by going 4-4 as the interim coach in 2022 and nearly leading Georgia Tech into bowl play. While there's no questioning the overall fit — he played at Tech and spent two separate stints on staff — how Key fills key spots on his staff will determine his tenure. The good news? Key's relatively cheap contract of $15 million over five years will give him a deeper salary pool for assistants, so he could surround himself with a very strong group of coaches.
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Flywheel said:
$200 Colorado has NCAA violations causing loss of scholarships.
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What violation is left to get? The only thing I can think of is transfer portal tampering, or recruiting players currently on scholarship with other teams.
 
BigDanT said:
That’s such a Lazy grade. Screams “I’m not sure what to grade this and he’s not a huge name so C+!”
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Most of these types of platforms (USA Today, Yahoo) are just content factories. Less about substance, more about eyeballs. Doing a coaching hire grading article is low hanging fruit. Sports commentary is all just "hot takes". Writers and pundits with some reasonably well thought out positions are few and far between.

It's mostly a circus show. More eyeballs, more ad revenue. It's all about stoking reactions from the fans. Rile them up for reaction and interaction. Fan is short for fanatic. Fanatics aren't usually known for being well thought out. Kind of comes with the territory.

I suppose if one were really good at evaluating coaching hires you could have a nice consulting career working for one these hiring firms. I think that could be fun and lucrative. I'm available if any are reading and would like to talk. :bigthumbup:
 
1982Jacket said:
Its over. We can revisit it in 4 years.

IMO, it's a terrific hire for FAU. They have become a rehab "prove-it" zone for damaged coaches. Kiffin did and he got paid. Taggert didn't and I don't think he'll be a head coach in FBS again. He has connections to Prime and Prime didn't hire him. Even USF - where he actually had a losing recvord - didn't want him back. Taggert has a career losing record - even before FAU.

Herman is MUCH closer to Kiffin. Probably a better coach than Kiffin.

Herman has coached six years and had a winning record every year. He got fired after going 7-3 at Texas! And bowl wins every year. We would give him a seven year extension for that. Texas fired him because he wouldn't kiss the right boosters' asses. Not a probem at FAU. And is Texas better now that they fired him? No. Objectively . . . they are worse.

Make NO mistake. Tom Herman knows how to coach college football. He might only stay there three years, but odds are strong they will win a lot of games in those three years.
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He got fired at UT for being a grade A prick along with not meeting expectations on the field. He also burned a lot of bridges at UH when he left there. I bet he does well at FAU and parlays that into a low level SEC or Big10 job within 3 years.
 
ricejacket said:
He got fired at UT for being a grade A prick along with not meeting expectations on the field. He also burned a lot of bridges at UH when he left there. I bet he does well at FAU and parlays that into a low level SEC or Big10 job within 3 years.
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Guy got hired by FAU, not UF. That says something. It also says something when these clowns bash GA Tech for not hiring guys who got hired at Liberty and FAU, or stayed at Tulane, as opposed to a guy who worked for 20 years under George O'Leary and Nick Saban - two of the best coaches of our era.

ETA: And the FOTM chimes in again. LOL.
 
ricejacket said:
Why did they get rid of Mangino? Was it all due to his personality?
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Don't know for sure, but I suspect it was the same reasons / justifications that Maryland used to can Fridge. Fridge went 9-4 at Maryland and ranked in then top 25 in 2010, and . . . they fired him. At MARYLAND! They decided to go with the Fool's Gold known as Randy Edsall. And promptly finished 2-10. Fridge won 8 or more games six times in ten years. In the 12 years since they fired him, they have never won 8 games even once. Finished in the top 25 four times in ten years . . . haven;t don it in 12 years since.

They fired Fridge (and I suspect Mangino) for the same reasons that certain "Tech fans" ööööing HATED the 3O even in 2014 when we won the Orange Bowl and finished 7th in the country.

For too many people (IMO) it is more important that you look pretty than that you actually be any good.


ricejacket said:
He got fired at UT for being a grade A prick along with not meeting expectations on the field. He also burned a lot of bridges at UH when he left there. I bet he does well at FAU and parlays that into a low level SEC or Big10 job within 3 years.
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How was he a grade A prick? Any examples? He didn't kiss some boosters' asses. Does that make him a grade A prick? What else makes him a grade A prick? Did he make concussed players stand in a tool shed for hours at a time like the sainted Mike Leach? Was he perpetually drunk like Sarkisian? ööööing a subordinate, like Petrino? A public embarrassment like Orgeron? I just never heard much about him that way, other than the booster-thing.

On the field . . . whose expectations? Unrealistic boosters and fans? In the four years before Herman got there, Texas was 24-26. Since he left, they are 13-11. Sounds like they should be expecting about 6-7 wins a year. He went 32-18 in four years . . . 25-12 over his last three, and finished top 25 each year. He won four bowl games in four years. The records indicate that 8-9 wins a year is actually excellent for Texas. Sounds like the problem wasn't Herman - it was delusional "expectations."

And , , , lots of coaches "burn bridges" when they leave one school for another - especially an in-state rival. Ask the folks at Tennessee what they think about Kiffin. Ask OU what they think about Lincoln Riley (who IMO IS an arrogant prick).

However . . . I think the last sentence is spot-on.
 
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