Cornerbacks

[BarrelORum]

Still waiting for someone to list a better GT corner than Kenny Scott or Marvius Hester this decade.

I have already but you won't listen because you want to think I don't know what I'm talking about. Rashad Reid.... if you didn't hear me the first time.

 

[BarrelORum]

I didn't say he sucked, or that he wasn't a good performer for us, just that he didn't live up to the recruiting hype. He was ranked as high as the #5 CB the year he signed. But he never was All ACC, had a total of 5 ints for his career and wasn't drafted. I'd say that wasn't living up to the hype.

+1 I think he had a very pedestrian career. Rashad Reid's freshman year compared to Kenny Scott's was night and day better.

 

[BarrelORum]

I do remember him being in the opposing receivers face and being very physical with them all game and taking them out of rhythm. Something we haven't really seen done too much lately. But thats probably has a lot to do with change of going to a less aggressive D and a lot less bump and run.

Great CB? Nah, probably not, but good and played tough.

That's not the Kenny Scott I remember.

 

[chilidogking]

Why? Kenny Scott really never lived up to his billing.

Story of that class though. I don't think I will forget what a stud I thought R. Grant was going to be. Not that GT has hurt for RB's in the past few years, but those two never came close to living up to the billing.

 

[BarrelORum]

Strike that.

This one was dumber.

We're friends right? Well then don't be offended if I think you are like every other football hack who thinks he knows what you're talking about, but you have no ****ing clue. Dumbest post you can ever make is making such a bold statement without really having a clue.

Scott was a better than average CB who couldn't play the run worth a ****, couldn't shed a block worth a ****, couldn't tackle a player for less than a 5 yard gain maybe ever and while he was a good cover corner, he had help in the fact that QB's were forced into a three step drop in Tenuta's blitzkrieg and relied on dump passes over the middle and screen passes. Kenny's tackles within 5 yards all came on a WR screens. Outside of those, there were none.

I could put Jamara Clark in that defense and he could do as well. Jamara CLARK!!!

 

[midatlantech]

Kenny Scott was a good CB on passing downs, but his run defense and tackling in general was very weak. He never got to the point of wanting it enough and the NFL saw it. Maybe he just couldn't put on the weight, but he was lacking as a tackler.

So when comparing CB's you have to include all attributes required by the defense at that time. Which of course makes it impossible to compare one to another.

KS was a good CB. I still can't figure if Mario Butler really is or that we absolutely stink on the other side of the field this year. A year ago, MB wasn't much good either. But CB's grow quite a bit as players through the years.

 

[beej67]

I have already but you won't listen because you want to think I don't know what I'm talking about. Rashad Reid.... if you didn't hear me the first time.

Yeah, sorry, Rashad Reid has safety help and still hasn't made the kind of big plays Kenny Scott did.

Scott got burned on occasion, as did Hester, but that's what happens when your defense rushes 6 every down. But Scott definitely has huge plays that stick out in my mind where I thanked the lord we had him. Pick 6 vs NC State for the win. 4th down vs Clemson for the win. Numerous key pass break ups vs VT. Kenny wasn't Willie Clay, but he was better than Rashad Reid.

 

[BarrelORum]

Yeah, sorry, Rashad Reid has safety help and still hasn't made the kind of big plays Kenny Scott did.

Scott got burned on occasion, as did Hester, but that's what happens when your defense rushes 6 every down. But Scott definitely has huge plays that stick out in my mind where I thanked the lord we had him. Pick 6 vs NC State for the win. 4th down vs Clemson for the win. Numerous key pass break ups vs VT. Kenny wasn't Willie Clay, but he was better than Rashad Reid.

I'm sorry... maybe you can recall the "Big Plays" that Kenny Scott made. I recall 3 GAME CHANGING plays Rashad Reid made his freshman year.

Listen, I'm not saying that Kenny Scott was less talented than these guys. Kenny Scott had more talent than Reid did for sure. In fact, I'd be willing to say that if I could pick the mold of any cb that played at GT ever, it would be Kenny Scott. But Reid plays the CB position BETTER than Scott ever did. Scott never played to his capabilities. Scott while talented never played the position very well. Reid has better instincts than any cb I've seen at GT since Willie Clay. Reid plays the position very well and its evident at least to me.

Kenny Scott never played the position well. His pass coverage skills were better than average and like Rashad Reid, Scott knows not to give receivers 7 yard cushions, but Kenny Scott only had to cover his receivers for all of 5 seconds before the QB was forced to get rid of the ball. People were successful against Tenuta's defense by dumping the ball off and throwing screens. Usually these plays don't go to the outside receiver. I could take the talents of Butler, Tarrant, Hester, or Jamara Clark who are all not nearly as talented as Kenny Scott was, put them in that defense, and they would have had equal if not better success because some of those guys, including Jamara Clark PLAYED the cornerback position better than Kenny Scott did.

 

[dressedcheeseside]

I think Rashad Reid is a better corner. No kidding. He has the best instincts for a cornerback I've seen from a GT player since Willie Clay and I think he'll do great things in his career.

We haven't had a lot of decent cornerbacks at GT, but Kenny Scott to me is about as good as Mario Butler.

You're also limiting me to the past ten years where are recruiting by Gailey sucked and our defenses under O'Leary weren't that greta either. Willie Clay and Curly Day were both better than Kenny Scott. Lethon Flowers was a helluva lot better than Kenny Scott. Ryan Stewart bounced between cb and safety and he was better than Kenny Scott.

If I was fielding a defense today picking GT players, I'd pick Rashad Reid over Scott.

Coach Kelly called Mario Butler the best corner on the team at the signing day event.

 

[BarrelORum]

Coach Kelly called Mario Butler the best corner on the team at the signing day event.

I never said he was bad. Don't like the 7 yard cushions but I blame that on coaching. I think Butler plays CB better than Scott did. I don't think he's as talented as Scott.

I think Rashad Reid has better instincts than Butler to play the position and I expect he will be a signifant player for us over the next couple of years. He breaks on the ball better than Butler does and he plays much tighter coverage and feels comfortable doing it. He has made some dumb coverage mistakes but that's more from not understanding his assignment.

 

[Geori]

The whole point of a corner is to cover. Kenny Scott covered better than anyone we've had this decade. Since Kenny was left on an island, that allowed our LBs to blitz and get sacks. He didn't tackle very well, but he didn't have to tackle because they weren't throwing it his way often.

Marvious Hester got beat alot. I didn't think he was a great corner. We had some awful defenses while he was at Tech.

 

[BarrelORum]

The whole point of a corner is to cover.

This is like saying the whole point of a Center is to snap the ball. Or that the whole point of a point guard is to pass the ball.

there is a lot more than covering your man as a cb. Forcing your man out of his route is probably the best cb trait to have. Sheding blocks is probably the second best trait to have. Covering your man tightly is probably the third best trait to have tied with being able to tackle the ball carrier.

Kenny Scott had better than average coverage skills, but everything else he did wasn't that good. Mario Butler would have had just as good results in Tenuta's defense.

 

[msm5]

I hope y'all are kidding about marvious Hester even being mentioned as a top db in the past ten years. He was absolutely terrible in coverage. He was a good tackler in run support but he couldn't cover anybody. He was terrible.

Let's not forget Jamara Clark either.

 

[BarrelORum]

Let's not forget Jamara Clark either.

The point is that both Hester and Clark would have looked much better than they were in Tenuta's defensive scheme. Clark actually had some pretty good coverage skills, he was just so damn tiny, it was like he wasn't even there. Asking him to cover a 6-3" WR was the same as manning ten people on the field.

 

[beej67]

The point is that both Hester and Clark would have looked much better than they were in Tenuta's defensive scheme.

And here's where I think you're crazy. Tenuta reguarly put his corners on an island. His whole scheme is around putting his corners on islands. His scheme failed miserably with Notre Dame's corners, as a result. It also failed later here at Tech, with our corners, once we no longer had...

...Kenny Scott.

 

[BarrelORum]

And here's where I think you're crazy. Tenuta reguarly put his corners on an island. His whole scheme is around putting his corners on islands. His scheme failed miserably with Notre Dame's corners, as a result. It also failed later here at Tech, with our corners, once we no longer had...

...Kenny Scott.

It failed because people realized throwing quick outs, screens, and passes over the middle to the slot receiver and TE in the zone area of the blitzing linebacker who wasn't there were effective. Not to throwing to the outside receiver who only had to be covered for a matter of seconds before the play either resulted in three things:
1.) a busted play where the QB scrambles
2.) a sack or hurried incomplete pass
3.) a completion to the slot receiver, runningback or TE.

It had nothing to do with Kenny Scott or his ability to cover. QB's either had the discipline to pick us a part or they didn't. Given the landscape of QB's in the ACC during Tenuta's time as a DC would indicate why we were so successful. Most of them didn't have it.

In the exception that a QB had more time because a teams oline was successfully able to pick up the blitz, Scott gave up plays like any other cb we've had.

 

[beej67]

Matt Ryan torched us by throwing deep, not by throwing screens. Tenuta's defense wants you to throw screens. That's why he's in zone. Allow the dump off, close, tackle. You beat Tenuta D by throwing to your WR past the sticks.

Come on, dude, stretch that memory of yours. How many 3rd and longs vs Tenuta were converted via screens, and how many were converted via passes past the sticks? Think "Matt Ryan Drinks Cosmopolitans." That should spark some memories.

 

[GTKyle]

Matt Ryan torched us by throwing deep, not by throwing screens. Tenuta's defense wants you to throw screens. That's why he's in zone. Allow the dump off, close, tackle. You beat Tenuta D by throwing to your WR past the sticks.

Come on, dude, stretch that memory of yours. How many 3rd and longs vs Tenuta were converted via screens, and how many were converted via passes past the sticks? Think "Matt Ryan Drinks Cosmopolitans." That should spark some memories.

BC torched us for 24 points. That would have been considered a good game for us last season.

 

[BuzzFeitenSystem]

I agree with whoever mentioed Rashaad as one of our better corners...probably not "better" than Scott, but close. I really would like to see him on the field more. I guess I can't argue with putting him under Butler and Tarrant though. When Butler graduates, he'll most likely start imo.

 

[BarrelORum]

beej, you're not going to make your point with me. Matt Ryan torched us because we didn't have Kenny Scott? Give me a ****ing break. Matt Ryan torched us because their oline picked up the blitz and he stayed out of 3rd and long situations by hitting short passes, screens, and dump offs also keeping our blitz in check. Once they had a rhythm, he opened it up all over us. You're pointing to one game.

Kenny Scott had 5 career INTS. FIVE! He never once made an ALL ACC team. You're giving the guy entirely too much credit. Take Scott's freshman year and Reid's freshman year and tell me which one made more of an impact. If anything Scott should have had 10 times the amount of INT's because opposing teams QB's were always under pressure.